Hijab

[Laraib]

How would muslims see if this woman is attractive or not?

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Well, this isn't 'true' Hijab. You just have to cover your hair it is permissible to show your face.

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[Lord Tywin]

I don't wear one, I am not Muslim, I think they are beautiful.

But that has to be argued. How is it oppressive? If a woman goes out presenting herself like a peacock she is considered liberated. But if she chooses to dress modestly and with grace, she is considered oppressed. So it is OK to make yourself a *** object but not OK to make yourself not one.

They sure are, when they want to look like that. While most women in hijab are either forced by their husband, or take their religion seriously when it's all about male superiority.

 

[Laraib]

They sure are, when they want to look like that. While most women in hijab are either forced by their husband, or take their religion seriously when it's all about male superiority.

Hijab prevents rape too, my friend.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Hijab prevents rape too, my friend.

I can't disagree with this.

 

[Laraib]

Nice to know someone else has the balls to solo this guy.

This topic is not about soloing one or other, It's worth discussing.. Please don't make it a trash thread so that mods delete it.

 

[Laraib]

I am mad that I could not solo you sooner. I have lost my edge. You might as well wear a Hijaab to not attract females.

I have now understood that it is people like you who have DESTROYED image of Islam over the internet. What a disgrace.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Idiots associate all things to do with Islam with terrorism. Also, like the idiots in this thread, they think it has to do with oppression.And there are the idiots who don't know the difference between a burqa and Hijab.

Essentially, to many oppression is being modest but not being your true self and objectifying yourself is considered liberating. Sure, some women are forced to wear a hijab, but then when a woman willingly wears one, people will still manage to say that they're being oppressed too. Clearly, they don't know what oppression means.

 

[Laraib]

Idiots associate all things to do with Islam with terrorism. Also, like the idiots in this thread, they think it has to do with oppression.And there are the idiots who don't know the difference between a burqa and Hijab.

Essentially, to many oppression is being modest but not being your true self and objectifying yourself is considered liberating. Sure, some women are forced to wear a hijab, but then when a woman willingly wears one, people will still manage to say that they're being oppressed too. Clearly, they don't know what oppression means.

Everyone is an idiot, then.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Everyone is an idiot, then.

I don't know why you think I said that but okay. I listed 3 types of idiots so...

Preventing a woman from covering herself is by definition, oppression.

 

[GinkgoLeaf Girl]

If women who wear hijabs want to wear it and choose to do so, then I do not think it is oppression. Forcing them to wear/not wear one would be oppressive.

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

They sure are, when they want to look like that. While most women in hijab are either forced by their husband, or take their religion seriously when it's all about male superiority.

But parading around half dressed is about male superiority to, so women can't win.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Why would you even cover your naturally given properties. Sure you cover your genitals, and you would cover your arms and legs for protecting yourself from the environment. Why would you though cover the portions of your body that are completely unnecessary, like your head, face, and hair? Most Islamic women do that because
1. Society's laws have them do so
2. Their husband or family wants them to do so
3. Religion sees Women as an inferior species than men, so they have women cover themselves up

But parading around half dressed is about male superiority to, so women can't win.

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[Adam Driver]

Hijab :Sparks:

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[6thHokage]

Hijab :Sparks:

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That is one interesting video:flakez:

 

[BLAZE]

should be choice of woman tbh

 

[Avani]

I don't wear one, I am not Muslim, I think they are beautiful.

But that has to be argued. How is it oppressive? If a woman goes out presenting herself like a peacock she is considered liberated. But if she chooses to dress modestly and with grace, she is considered oppressed. So it is OK to make yourself a *** object but not OK to make yourself not one.

But aren't you setting up yourself as an object that needs to be hidden that badly and suggesting anything less is immodest and asking for trouble?

Anyway..
It is totally up to the person herself to choose how she wants to be dressed up. But I doubt using Burqa itself suggest modesty or wearing short automatically makes one any less just for that. And there lies the problem- in your own statement how easily you suggested that the one with with less clothing is not graceful enough.

It's just custom and I have seen a lot of burka clad women who use it only when people they know are around. Once the train leaves the station and they have waved their hands in good buy to "dear hubby/father/relative", the burka is folded and gets in suitcase. True story. So it's not always the choice of the person wearing it but family/relative's pressure.

And problem arise that people start comparing and suggest that not wearing a burqa or dressed nearly as much is asking for trouble.

A lot depends on how one carries oneself and of course proper balance. Extreme lack of clothes or over covering both stand out and may not be comfortable enough in a given situation.

Too short a skirt will make you flash and a burka which has 3 layers of hijab along with it dims the vision vision an makes one almost blind or simply too uncomfortable in certain weather. And it certainly a hindrance at times when one needs more free movements.

 

[Ansatsuken]

When people that doesnt know very deeply about Islam tried to argue about Islam(Kratos).

I dont know very deeply about other religious(Christian, Buddha, Shinto etc) and I keep away from arguing about it very deeply like I know everything about it.

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This is too extreme in covering your body. In islam(for woman) you must cover your body except face, hands and foot. You can wear any clothes as long as it still cover 90% of your body except those parts and the clothes need to be a little loose to hide the curvature of your body.

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The arabian women in the picture take it too extreme level

 

[Filosoofis]

I am not Muslim but I think Hijab's are beautiful but when looking up images of them I found that some people think they should not be worn and the women who choose to wear them are obviously offended by this. My question is, why do people think women should not wear the Hijab? I don't get it.

>I am not muslim

Yeah right thread/

 

[NaNaNaaaaa]

>I am not muslim

Yeah right thread/

I am not. I'm Catholic and have been since I was 15.

 

[Babadook]

I don't know why you think it's a symbol of modesty, when you're oppressing yourself by covering natural things.

It's a gamble. You marry someone you have no idea what they look like. On the first night of marriage a guy removes the woman's coverage and sees a Princess Fiona in her ogre form.

It is allowed to take a look at the girl you're gonna marry.


From al-Mugheerah ibn Shu’bah: “I proposed marriage to a woman, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘Have you seen her?’ I said, ‘No.’ He said, ‘Look at her, because it is more fitting that love and compatibility be established between you.’” According to another report: “So he did that, and he married her and mentioned that they got along.” (Reported by al-Daaraqutni, 3/252 (31, 32); Ibn Maajah, 1/574)

Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “If he wants to marry a woman, he is not allowed to see her without a headcover. He may look at her face and hands when she is covered, with or without her permission. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent…’ [al-Noor 24:31]. He said: ‘The face and hands.’” (al-Haawi al-Kabeer, 9/34).

Imaam al-Nawawi said in Rawdat al-Taalibeen wa ‘Umdat al-Mufteen (7, 19-20): “When (a man) wants to marry (a woman), it is preferable (mustahabb) for him to look at her so that he will have no regrets.

Abu Haneefah permitted looking at the feet as well as the face and hands. (Bidaayah al-Mujtahid wa Nihayyat al-Muqtasid, 3/10)

From the above, it is clear that the majority of scholars say that a man is allowed to look at his fiancée’s face and hands, because the face indicates beauty or ugliness, and the hands indicate the slimness or plumpness (literally, ‘fertility’) of the body.

Abu’l-Faraj al-Maqdisi said: “There is no dispute among the scholars that he is permitted to look at the face.. the focus of beauty and the place at which one looks.”

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No gamble there.

However:

It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman may be married for four reasons: her wealth, her lineage, her beauty and her religious commitment. Choose the one who is religious, may your hands be rubbed with dust [i.e., may you prosper].”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4802; Muslim, 1466).

Why would you even cover your naturally given properties. Sure you cover your genitals,
and you would cover your arms and legs for protecting yourself from the environment. Why would you though cover the portions of your body that are completely unnecessary, like your head, face, and hair?

First you complain why people have to cover their bodies, then you give examples answering your own question.

You think it's unnecessary, but it does serve its societal purpose.

Most Islamic women do that because

Because you met all of them and they told you, right?

1. Society's laws have them do so
2. Their husband or family wants them to do so
3. Religion sees Women as an inferior species than men, so they have women cover themselves up

Apparently it didn't occur to you that maybe God expects them to do so and they believe in that.

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You should elaborate on your 3rd point...

Mia Khalifa

Yeah she comes from a christian family, and?

But aren't you setting up yourself as an object that needs to be hidden that badly and suggesting anything less is immodest and asking for trouble?

No.

By that logic, all of us wearing clothes are objects...

Especially that men in islam also have a dress code, which people often forget. Surah An-Nur, verse 30:v

"Tell the believing men to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do."

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More rulings for men here:

The basic principle concerning everything that is worn is that it is halaal and permissible, except for that concerning which there is a text to state that it is haraam, such as silk for males, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “These two [gold and silk] are forbidden for the males of my ummah and permissible for the females.” Narrated by Ibn Maajah, 3640; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah. Similarly it is not permissible to wear the skin of a dead animal (one that has died of natural causes) unless it has been tanned. With regard to wearing clothes made of wool, goat hair and camel hair, these are pure and permissible.

It is not permissible to wear thin or see-through clothing that does not conceal the ‘awrah.

It is haraam to imitate the mushrikeen and kuffaar in their manner of dress, so it is not permissible to wear clothing that is unique to the kuffaar.

It is haraam for women to imitate men and men to imitate women in the way they dress, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the men who imitate women and the women who imitate men.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5546.

It is haraam for the Muslim man to let any garment he wears hang down beneath his ankles (an action known as isbaal); the limit for any garment is the ankles.

It is haraam to wear garments of fame and vanity, which means a garment that stands out from others so that people will look at the wearer and he will become known for it.

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Apparently, men are oppressed objects too, for they can't wear whatever they want, either.

Of course I agree with some other points.

A hijab in itself doesn't necessarily imply piety, but in general it's a good indicator of being religious. Of course, sadly, I've seen women wearing the hijab in public but posting selfies without it online. Sometimes girls just wear it out of fashion and post selfies with it...

Also, a man may treat women as objects regardless them wearing hijab. But a man can respect women in general, whether they wear the hijab or not. It's rather subjective. Now of course from a religious pov, just because some men are disrespectful, it doesn't exempt women from their own religious responsibility to cover the required parts.