Hijab

[BLAZE]

Why would anyone

lel this guy

 

[CrimsonReaper]

As a preacher of truth, it is.

you have no right to tell people what to do, it's not like they're hurting you in any way.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

Are you a Hindu? You say "Say no to atheism" but say abrahamic religions are garbage. Or are you agnostic?

Deist

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

you have no right to tell people what to do, it's not like they're hurting you in any way.

People need to be told what to do, because they're incapable of making the right choice.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Deist

I myself am agnostic.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

People need to be told what to do, because they're incapable of making the right choice.

i have no time for stupid narrow minded people like you.

 

[Kingu]

I honestly do not know why people care in the first place, they're being modest.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

I honestly do not know why people care in the first place, they're being modest.

perverts.

Why would you even cover your naturally given properties. Sure you cover your genitals, and you would cover your arms and legs for protecting yourself from the environment. Why would you though cover the portions of your body that are completely unnecessary, like your head, face, and hair? Most Islamic women do that because
1. Society's laws have them do so
2. Their husband or family wants them to do so
3. Religion sees Women as an inferior species than men, so they have women cover themselves up


elaborate

i have to agree. U_U

 

[-immortal-]

don't date them then. :bdpf:

Yeah but why does it look beautifull :Sparks:

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Yeah but why does it look beautifull :Sparks:

i have no idea ask them.

i'm totally not against the idea tho.

 

[-immortal-]

i have no idea ask them.

i'm totally not against the idea tho.

Lol i am.
I see no logic behind them.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Lol i am.
I see no logic behind them.

people should wear what they want apart from Niqab because you can't identify her facial features hell she can even be a man for all we know, you could steal something or harm someone and you would most likely flee with it.

 

[Avani]

1) Tell me where did I go wrong. I'm all ears.

You are acting all deaf. You fail to produce a quote from me where I tried to dictate how a Muslim should dress yet you insisted I did. That's a false statement and you lied.

this was my exchange:

Spoiler

I suggest Mr Bakame that you do not jump in to reply my posts especially when they are not addressed to you. And no do not bother linking me any site for more info either. For you are not going to like my replies. Especially when you make quotes like above " haram to dress like Kuffar"... I will let you know, whatever the intent, it doesn't translate as a nice or respectful gesture towards non-Muslims. That word comes with a lot of negative connotation towards them and matching sentiments don't help, since respect is often two way street.



Burqua does stand out in non Islamic countries you know- Not that I have any problem or objection to it personally as long as I am not asked to follow it. I don't mind it at all...Still some may wish to use because of personal cultural conditioning and some may resent it despite wearing it because of the same conditioning otherwise. Would you like some Ismat Chughtai for you:

"On the way to her brother’s wedding, she manages to “lose” the cap of her burqa. Showered with blows when the others suspect her of having lost it intentionally, Ismat writes that she accepted the blows “as though they were sweet laddoos.”

I don't think men get beaten up or looked down for wearing trousers and jeans like other non Muslims or for not covering their head. And that's why it's called oppression for women by some others.

Boy, you do have a knack for rushing to post stuff which boomerangs at you.



Yeah I really no see why you would chose to post all that stuff addressed to me.

Let me answer with your reply from that one-year-old thread you quoted a while ago.

'If you don't want to be bothered, don't post.'

This is general discussion, on a public forum. You as a mod should know what the site you're moderating, is about.

If you don't want me to reply to your post, ban me, or if you just don't wanna see my replies, put me on ignore list.

I don't really care who makes the post. Whether the reasoning is flawed, or the facts mentioned are mistaken, that's an objective question.

If you don't like my replies, you shouldn't answer either. I don't really care if you like or not that muslims should dress differently. However, again, you just cherrypicked one thing you don't like, and trying to use it as if it was something by which you can dismiss my whole point- which was supposed to be a refutal to the allegiation that women are objectified by the islamic dress code. That can't be true, as men have a dress code too. It doesn't matter if you like that dresscode or not.

If you don't want me to reply, don't make claims about my religion. How is that?

And please. I always brought you arguments. Even now.

So tell me, what's wrong with that muslims shouldn't follow the immodest clothing of non-muslims?

See You are bringing in totally irrelevant stuff and strangely enough believe that asking a completely pointless question would somehow do the trick. Why would I explain something I didn't say in the first place?

2) You accuse me of trying to get away with twisting your post, yet all you've done so far is having cherrypicked that muslism should dress differently, and you made a whole lament about why I shouldn't reply to you. Thus, ignoring that all my post was supposed to be about is that as men have a dress code too, it's not about oppression. Agree or not?

You went out of your way to tell me that it's a religious tenet that Muslims should not dress like the Kuffras.

I pointed the irony here- thread is about people objecting to burqua and here you are telling them " well we wear it because we are not suppose to look like you kufrras apart from modesty factor".

What you did was to highlight that it's not just about modesty factor about dress sense here... And you expect me to ignore it? OK.

3) You also ignored me saying that I agree though that the hijab in itself won't necessarily save a girl from being harrassed.

Because it was irrelevant to my initial post you chose to reply. Why should I care about a non issue?

DoN't just put forth an ad hominem argument. Make some real arguments. Tell me, then, why did you highlight my quote from islamqa, that muslims should dress differently? If you don't care, why did you highlight it and tried to use it to dismiss my post, without giving any real arguments? Who's the ignorant one here?

Yay you learned the name of a fallacy!! You are so smart. I always have to recheck the stupid Latin terms in wiki to make sure even though I have read it so many times. Still you are not making any real argument to reply. And only pretending to so how should I name this fallacy?

I care to post my opinion on how I see it and I gave my reasoning already. You are being an apologist and pointlessly so because your argument, that men too are getting oppressed, does not really negate that some people see it as a tool for oppression.

In the meanwhile you are trying to draw the attention away from my first reply to you since you cannot deny the factual statement in there. For my part I never made such a claim but mentioned that some Muslims thinkers agree with it being so.

What is it that you don't mind? Running around naked, or that you actually can't run around being naked, not just by the islamic dress code, but basically, nowhere in the civilized world? You claim I assume your response, yet you sound ambiguous, so how coudl I assume your response? See, I'm even asking you to specify what is it that you don't mind.

Obviously civilizations are much wider and varied than your knowledge. There are nudist beaches. There are nudist religions. And there are groups and individuals who have different concept of what nakedness is and take vows to remain so. Your opinion regarding it doesn't matter for they are not depending on your certificate of civilization.

For you civilization may mean covering oneself from head to toe for another being civilized mean respecting others choice to not agree and see it as a freedom from worldly bounds and not trying to force their beliefs on anyone else not think less of them for their different opinion.

Fair enough. So, what exactly is it that you are so fiercly arguing for/against? Just what did I say for which you had to tell me to shut up, basically? Guess wut, once I tried to shut Aim64C up..it was about 1,5 yrs ago...and he made a long post explaining why I don't have individuaity, for not being able to take that others have different views.

I wasn't arguing against anything but your pointless replies. You are making a false statement again- I didn't tell you to shut up. I told you to not reply to me since you do not like my replies and get your panties in a bunch and that's exactly what happened here again. I also told you if you want to then it's your own funeral. For I may not reply but I am under no obligation to spare your sensibilities in this regard.

All I see is an emotionally enraged post but nothing real to respond to objectively - for all you are doing is running on emotions.

I got a bit butthurt but in the long run I guess he was right.

Maybe. I don't care nor I see why I am reading this.

Now I suggest the same to you. Just accept that there are different societes with different perceptions of modesty. Everyone likes to think their one is the best. So, if you think liberal clothing is better than the muslim one, fine. Whatever sails your boat. But that's also just a result of social conditioning, then. Can it be abused? Sure. Can hijabs be abused and used for oppression? Sure. Is it meant as such? No.

Your post is unbelievably deft today. :| Go read my post again. You are defending something I didn't even say anything against.

Who's assuming what now? This is like the 5th or 6th ad hominem accusation in this thread only. Should I keep counting till you'll look even more foolish, or you'll stop making them for your own sake?

You are right about one thing- it's foolish to try to reason with someone like you who can't even read a post properly. You are confirming what I say but trying to make me stick to conclusion you want and see nothing more.

And? I know about that and I never denied that some people abuse it.

And that's all what I said.- And how people abuse it- by using religion as a tool. So what are you arguing again?

Again, I didn't deny that it can be used as a form of oppression. I said that there are males who respect females regardless of wearing the hijab, and there are males who will shoot at people for whatever excuse they make up, be it the absence of hijab or, f.e., that they are of a different religion, race...etc. Anything can be used as oppression, but that goes for sexual liberalism as well.

Yeah but you protest when I say the same.

Who the hell is even talking about males here? I don't see them being beaten or risking anything for not dressing up certain way. Certain tools are used more against women than them.

Oh wait- Americans/Europeans have a thing against pink shirts worn by men, isn't it? And yep again religion as a tool against assumed homosexuality. So yea oppression and still wrong.

You have plenty, yet apparently you don't use any of them...

See above .. yea right. What can I say they crack every time I gaze at them.

]I don't really get your reasoning. God is God, only one of a kind. He can expect whatever He wants. Noone said you have to agree.

You wouldn't. Don't bother.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

i have no time for stupid narrow minded people like you.

Freedom is why people do drugs.
Freedom is why people waste away their lungs and liver, thus putting pressure on the healthcare system.

You really think everyone is "free"?
Then explain why the extent of our speech is controlled?

 

[BLAZE]

People need to be told what to do, because they're incapable of making the right choice.

By whom other People :lol

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Freedom is why people do drugs.
Freedom is why people waste away their lungs and liver, thus putting pressure on the healthcare system.

You really think everyone is "free"?
Then explain why the extent of our speech is controlled?

proves you're stupid drugs are illegal because you could harm someone under their effect, what's your point?? they're gonna have a shorter lifespan meaning the healthcare will no longer aid them.

because most of the countries who still control speech are in the dark ages.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

By whom other People :lol

By me.
One nation under Muck.

 

[SasukeTheEmo]

proves you're stupid these things are illegal because you could harm someone on their effect, what's your point?? they're gonna have a shorter lifespan meaning the healthcare will no longer support them.

because most of the countries who still control speech are in the dark ages.

You can't construct a cohesive sentence and you're saying I'm stupid?

 

[CrimsonReaper]

You can't construct a cohesive sentence and you're saying I'm stupid?

that's what retards say when they don't know how to reply. :lol

 

[Monxstaa]

people should wear what they want apart from Niqab because you can't identify her facial features hell she can even be a man for all we know, you could steal something or harm someone and you would most likely flee with it.

yo i wanna ask what god do you believe in if you dont mind U_U