Has western feminism become redundant at this point?

[Sakura Michiko]

Weird that the same site "debunked" the women get paid less "myth."

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Sounds like they're just pandering to everyone.

It also talks about it like it's the Hydra, no matter how many times you cut one head off two take it's place.

Lol wow. Well at least I linked two websites(aauw website and time).But the difference was that the time link that I linked didn't say opinion like that other one you showed me.

 

[Yubel]

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< Yes the wage gap is real and it is a discrimination. Oh and here more discrimination or harassment if you will

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So you are saying if a women is raped she should keep that kid?What if she can't have kids cause she or the kid will die?<Yea she should totally be more responsible because those things would be her fault(sarcasm)
How is s.l.u.t. shaming the "reality of biological difference in gender." It's stupid.

I'm not going to argue about the pay gap shit because it's nonsense.
That's why I said it shouldn't be an absolute law, it should be bypassed in rape cases but that will create a whole new set of problems on its own. False rape cases are already rampant, with this law every woman who wants an abortion will claim she got raped and because women words are taken as the gospel of truth with no evidence of no consent, men will be utterly screwed. There is no way to determine whether giving childbirth is actually dangerous to a woman or her kid right? If there is by all means, go ahead.
You probably heard this before but a key that can open many locks is a great key but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a useless lock. Women aren't supposed to run around screwing everything in sight because of their biological limit, their fertility reaches its peak in their early 20's, that's when they're hottest to men, also why playboy girls are all in that age range. Women's SMV drops when she's been with several dudes. Their mating strategy success is determined by finding the best man for her. A woman who screws around is by definition a failure because she can't spot a good mate. Not only that but when men screw around they probably had to work at their confidence and alot of other things. For a woman it's a passive achievement, that's why you can't compare the two.

 

[Howard]

Lol wow. Well at least I linked two websites(aauw website and time).But the difference was that the time link that I linked didn't say opinion like that other one you showed me.

I can link to as many sites as you can.

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There I linked to three, obviously I'm right now. /s

You're not getting, like most people that buy into the pay gap myth that it is a gross comparison of what women make to what men make lumping everyone together. It's not putting a man that works the same job for the same amount of hours against a woman that does the same. It doesn't factor in time off, maternity leave, or various other reasons why a woman may end up making less in a year example being working less hours. The argument itself is used on the basis that "well they're women so obviously they're just paid less."

The first thing to notice is that the “77 cents on the dollar” metric isn’t comparing apples to apples. It is a comparison of gross income. That is, it compares the income of all women to that of all men. It fails to take into account important factors—like education, experience, or even just comparing people in the same career. You wouldn’t compare the incomes of elementary school teachers with Bachelor’s degrees to those of individuals with PhDs in physics and complain that there is a “teacher-physicist wage gap”—but this is precisely what this statistic does.

When you take these characteristics into account, the purported “gap” all but disappears.

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The wage gap statistic, however, doesn't compare two similarly situated co-workers of different sexes, working in the same industry, performing the same work, for the same number of hours a day. It merely reflects the median earnings of all men and women classified as full-time workers.

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This is explained in all of the articles I linked, but it's never taken as legitimate in these sort of discussions because "well obviously women are just paid less."

Rest of it, I'm not even going to touch mostly because **** shaming is just people being *******s to each other. This incorporates men and women. People are just *******s.

 

[Ldude]

It is 100% true. People are fine with women behaving femininely, it's "normal", but most of the time when a man is feminine/sensitive/or emotional, he is told that he needs to face his problems and "be a man."

Woman are constantly ridiculed by other women for being too "girly." It's not considered normal and people make fun of it.
You see that partially in Legally Blonde. A bunch of women don't take her seriously because she wears pink, gets manicures, and just acts very feminine.

 

[Professor Finesser]

90% of feminists (at least the ones I've encountered) are ****heads. I can't deal with the cancer that is presented to me by feminists on sites like tumblr.

 

[BlacLord™]

Absolutely incorrect.

There are still many inequalities between the sexes; the glass ceiling and the fact that women get paid less than men on average for the same position - this is especially true on the continent. do your research from reputable sources where the publishers have more than single brain cell and no baseless partiality, and truth will out, as they say.

 

[Chie]

Tbh, yes.

The pay gap isn't even worth bringing up anymore. People who mentioned it in this thread likely do not reside in the west in the first place and are looking at biased articles to further this complaint. It no longer has any merit to it.

Women getting ridiculed for being "too girly" in the west is relatively non-existent these days as well. It's actually promoted. What people tend to have a problem with is when a male acts too girly or a girl acts too manly. This close-minded way of thinking needs change, for both genders. But even so, people generally are becoming more and more accepting of this too.

Egalitarianism is a much better cause than feminism at this point in the west. Issues involving race, beliefs, etc are more prevalent than gender problems.

 

[PT1990]

Feminazis are nothing but fisgrace for normal women.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Absolutely incorrect.

There are still many inequalities between the sexes; the glass ceiling and the fact that women get paid less than men on average for the same position - this is especially true on the continent. do your research from reputable sources where the publishers have more than single brain cell and no baseless partiality, and truth will out, as they say.

You do realize the wage gap is a myth right?

There are Equal Pay Protection laws that prevent businesses from paying women less for the same work as men.

If anything it's the other way around with gender quotas that prioritize women that are less qualified over anyone else.The Ellen Pao case is just a recent example of this.

So you might want to take your own advice about doing research.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

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There I linked to three, obviously I'm right now. /s

You're not getting, like most people that buy into the pay gap myth that it is a gross comparison of what women make to what men make lumping everyone together. It's not putting a man that works the same job for the same amount of hours against a woman that does the same. It doesn't factor in time off, maternity leave, or various other reasons why a woman may end up making less in a year example being working less hours. The argument itself is used on the basis that "well they're women so obviously they're just paid less."





This is explained in all of the articles I linked, but it's never taken as legitimate in these sort of discussions because "well obviously women are just paid less."

Rest of it, I'm not even going to touch mostly because **** shaming is just people being *******s to each other. This incorporates men and women. People are just *******s.

We are going to have to agree to disagree because I see studies on why it's real and why it's not.

I'm not going to argue about the pay gap shit because it's nonsense.
That's why I said it shouldn't be an absolute law, it should be bypassed in rape cases but that will create a whole new set of problems on its own. False rape cases are already rampant, with this law every woman who wants an abortion will claim she got raped and because women words are taken as the gospel of truth with no evidence of no consent, men will be utterly screwed. There is no way to determine whether giving childbirth is actually dangerous to a woman or her kid right? If there is by all means, go ahead.
You probably heard this before but a key that can open many locks is a great key but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a useless lock. Women aren't supposed to run around screwing everything in sight because of their biological limit, their fertility reaches its peak in their early 20's, that's when they're hottest to men, also why playboy girls are all in that age range. Women's SMV drops when she's been with several dudes. Their mating strategy success is determined by finding the best man for her. A woman who screws around is by definition a failure because she can't spot a good mate. Not only that but when men screw around they probably had to work at their confidence and alot of other things. For a woman it's a passive achievement, that's why you can't compare the two.

But was I talking false rape because I don't remember that.My friend was told that she can not have anymore kids because it would probably kill her or the kid.If I'm not mistaken she said it was a blood problem. Apperently pregency can be somewhat harmful

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. and also So what you are saying is that if a man wants to screw a bunch of women it okay but if I women screw a bunch of guys it's not? BS.You're going to have to gemme a study on that because that's asinine.

 

[Yubel]

But was I talking false rape because I don't remember that.My friend was told that she can not have anymore kids because it would probably kill her or the kid.If I'm not mistaken she said it was a blood problem. Apperently pregency can be somewhat harmful

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. and also So what you are saying is that if a man wants to screw a bunch of women it okay but if I women screw a bunch of guys it's not? BS.You're going to have to gemme a study on that because that's asinine.

You're just arguing with someone else on the validity of their study yet you're asking studies from me? Sorry to disappoint but you'll just have to trust your instincts on this, what I explained is the deep primal reason why women are shamed for screwing a bunch of dudes.

 

[YowYan]

I think labelling themselves as feminists instead of just humanitarians is one of their/mine biggest mistakes.

 

[System001]

Pretty sure that it's been redundant for the past 20-30 years.
Western women are like what, the most fortunate and liberated demographic in the world are they not?
(Unless you wanna argue that, idk, Arabian princes are a demographic, in which case they'll obviously win out.)

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...
Just don't try to do so with distorted figures such as the wage gap myth.
Expecting equal pay for working less hours in less intensive or less valued fields will obviously lead to a wage discrepancy, and if you compare field for field, hours for hours, and experience for experience you'll find that the pay is pretty much the exact same, if not better for women. e__e

 

[Sakura Michiko]

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There I linked to three, obviously I'm right now. /s

You're not getting, like most people that buy into the pay gap myth that it is a gross comparison of what women make to what men make lumping everyone together. It's not putting a man that works the same job for the same amount of hours against a woman that does the same. It doesn't factor in time off, maternity leave, or various other reasons why a woman may end up making less in a year example being working less hours. The argument itself is used on the basis that "well they're women so obviously they're just paid less."





This is explained in all of the articles I linked, but it's never taken as legitimate in these sort of discussions because "well obviously women are just paid less."

Rest of it, I'm not even going to touch mostly because **** shaming is just people being *******s to each other. This incorporates men and women. People are just *******s.

I'm not going to argue about the pay gap shit because it's nonsense.
That's why I said it shouldn't be an absolute law, it should be bypassed in rape cases but that will create a whole new set of problems on its own. False rape cases are already rampant, with this law every woman who wants an abortion will claim she got raped and because women words are taken as the gospel of truth with no evidence of no consent, men will be utterly screwed. There is no way to determine whether giving childbirth is actually dangerous to a woman or her kid right? If there is by all means, go ahead.
You probably heard this before but a key that can open many locks is a great key but a lock that can be opened by many keys is a useless lock. Women aren't supposed to run around screwing everything in sight because of their biological limit, their fertility reaches its peak in their early 20's, that's when they're hottest to men, also why playboy girls are all in that age range. Women's SMV drops when she's been with several dudes. Their mating strategy success is determined by finding the best man for her. A woman who screws around is by definition a failure because she can't spot a good mate. Not only that but when men screw around they probably had to work at their confidence and alot of other things. For a woman it's a passive achievement, that's why you can't compare the two.

You're just arguing with someone else on the validity of their study yet you're asking studies from me? Sorry to disappoint but you'll just have to trust your instincts on this, what I explained is the deep primal reason why women are shamed for screwing a bunch of dudes.

I wasn't arguing.I even repped that person. I agreed to disagree. At least that person linked some studies.I can respect that.You could be lying for all I know. That's why I asked for a study.

 

[Howard]

We are going to have to agree to disagree because I see studies on why it's real and why it's not.

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Anyway the only way you can agree to disagree is by providing a valid source that shows a women is paid less for the same work, from the same company for the same hours. Not a gross comparison of the medians between two groups.

Expecting equal pay for working less hours in less intensive or less valued fields will obviously lead to a wage discrepancy, and if you compare field for field, hours for hours, and experience for experience you'll find that the pay is pretty much the exact same, if not better for women. e__e

Been trying to explain this for about half a page. Good luck.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

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Yup. That's really how it is.

 

[Howard]

Yup. That's really how it is.

Just because he has it doesn't make it true.

 

[Sakura Michiko]

Just because he has it doesn't make it true.

I know and that's why I agree to disagree. All of these different studies with different answers @.@

 

[Howard]

I know and that's why I agree to disagree. All of these different studies with different answers @.@

That's when you're supposed to use common sense to figure out what is actually legitimate and not just someone trying to pander to a specific subgroup. All of your sources were a comparison of everything to everything. You were using this wrong to confirm that women are paid less however it doesn't work that way as you're comparing gross income of every full-time working woman to every full-time working man. You don't take into consideration that men are more likely to work doing dangerous work that pays slightly more. Or that maternity leave is a thing. Not every woman is going to have a child, but we can both agree that if you take every full-time working woman a fair amount will end up having children in their lifetime and in doing so they'll have to take time off from whatever their job is. These factors along with others mentioned in all the sources I've linked when taken into consideration make the pay gap, which again is a gap in pay when you compare everything to everything not one women working the same job as a man for the same hours disappears.

This means the argument can't be used in the way you were using it because if you apply common sense and problem solving skills to it it vanishes.

Okay here are some problems we still face in the west.
Did you know that women still can get pay less money than her male counterparts?
Did you also know that there's law that restrict women from having abortions?
Did you know victim shaming and s.l.u.t. (had to put dots between the word because nb censored it)shaming is still a problem?
But really I think we need feminist everywhere though to be honest.

Your other points are easy as well. Yes a women should be able to do what she wants with her body. I honestly don't care about that because I'm not having babies but it's a right. However that's a different discussion pro-choice vs pro-life and I don't see feminism fixing it. Unless you have a cure for it that's created by feminism if so I wouldn't mind hearing it. **** shaming and victim shaming again boil down to people being ignorant or intolerant *******s. You can't stop people from being *******s it's pretty much just a fact of life. People suck. Then again I'm a cynic.

Side note why does only victim shaming and **** shaming matter? What about the argument that radical feminist always use that all men are pigs or penis shaming etc etc. I mean if we're going for true equality then we got to figure out an answer for everyone not just women.

 

[Yubel]

I wasn't arguing.I even repped that person. I agreed to disagree. At least that person linked some studies.I can respect that.You could be lying for all I know. That's why I asked for a study.

A study can lie too, that's why you "agreed to disagree".
How about using your own critical thinking skills?