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Amaterasuice
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There's people on both sides of this debate making sense and using logic. Take those five out and this thread is full of idiots.
Until the fourth databook, we won't know 100% sure.
Until the fourth databook, we won't know 100% sure.
SageoftheoneWay
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I've read most of the post's already, but im not convinced mainly because it seems that these techniques seem to be inherited with the eye itself, not simply a upgrade to display extra power the MS comes with. In other words, although Sasuke does not have the capabilities of Itachi to be able to use Tsukoyomi, yet he is able to attain it simply because it is inherited through the MS. Look at Obito and Madara, they both claim to be able to use Tsukoyomi, and an infinite one at that. Also, remember that Itachi also used Amaterasu, Sasuke merely added chakra control to it, and it became a new technique, and the fact that it's named after another shinto god doesn't mean that no one else is capable of doing the same tech with practice.
SageoftheoneWay
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Yes, but you're putting too much emphasis on the exclusivity of these techniques based on the name of the tech. The name doesn't matter because even Chidori is called Raikiri elsewhere. Names don't matter, nor do they claim some exclusive technique to the user. For example, just because Raikiri is not Raikiri with Sasuke doesn't mean the jutsu's are different somehow. Also, following this logic, Madara's perfect susano'o is not attainable by any other MS user simply because some MS techs are exclusive to certain characters for no reason.
Rather, all techs are inherent for each MS user, and have potential to learn such techniques. Just like Sasuke has potential to learn Perfect Susanoo, he also can learn Tsukoyomi. Likewise, any MS user can learn Amaterasu flame manipulation with practice.
SageoftheoneWay
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What he is saying is that it doesn't matter if chakra manipulation is coming out of the other eye since it is not an exclusive technique.
What you're saying is that Kagutsuchi is an exclusive technique to Sasuke that happens from his right.
The balance here is that although Kagutsuchi is a technique, it is NOT an EXCLUSIVE technique that only he can learn. It is available to all MS users who are skilled in chakra manipulation and learned Amaterasu.
SageoftheoneWay
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Just because each eye uses a specific function to accomplish a certain jutsu does not negate the notion that Sasuke can't accomplish Tsukoyomi. Even Obito who is missing one of his sharingan claims to cast an infinite Tsukoyomi, which implies that Tsukoyomi was a common jutsu among MS users. Tsukoyomi is not exclusive to Sasuke or a couple of people only. Sasuke certainly had the potential, under MS alone, to accomplish the great genjutsu, Tsukoyomi.
KingHashirama
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Kagutsuchi is casted from his left eye and manipulated with his right. Naruto-pedia has already confirmed this. Kagutsuchih is a the flames of Amaterasu taking shape. It is still Amaterasu.
KingHashirama
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Lost on how it refutes me.
Already stated its manipulated by his right eye.. But casted from his left. Its a amaterasu technique. Also, Naruto-pedia is actually greater then us.
It isn't, it is the fans maintaining that site, not an official source; therefore their information is no greater than the fans from forums. You may think it is, but it is not. For example, it states that Madara has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, like many in the community speculate; however Kishimoto has yet to show Madara display these techniques. Essentially created a riveting problem between the databook and the manga: the databook claims such techniques are what is needed to awaken Susanoo, but the manga never explicitly declares Sasuke to have Tsukuyomi. It instead outwardly says Enton: Kagutsuchi whenever it is used, but does not state not even once Tsukuyomi when Sasuke uses a Genjutsu with his Mangekyo activated. Even when Itachi first used Tsukuyomi, it was stated, but not once has it been replicated by Sasuke. This is by far the greatest burden of proof for those who claim that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.Lost on how it refutes me.
Also, Naruto-pedia is actually greater then us.
KingHashirama
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Problem with that is people expect everything to be written in the manga. Sasuke has used Genjutsu on killer B which is considered Tsukuyomi.. fans here think it wasn't.... Thats the fans fault.. Kishimoto has already made Sasuke fill up the requirements. Unless you say he changed the requirements for Susano'o.
I never replied to you because I have no interest in debating against someone who uses his own personal theories in a factual debate
What you're implying has nowhere been stated or suggested yet in the manga
Which is why Masashi had to explicity stated the change through Sasuke.[
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on Killer Bee not Tsukuyomi—which is a predominantly powerful type of Binding Genjutsu that both Itachi and Sasuke have cast from their Sharingan in the past but have differing aesthetics.[
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tsukuyomi is a MS genjutsu that causes strain on the users eye. That being said, sasuke has been shown to hold his eye in pain multiple times after casting various genjutsu, thus implying that he used tsukuyomi
tsukuyomi is a MS genjutsu that causes strain on the users eye. That being said, sasuke has been shown to hold his eye in pain multiple times after casting various genjutsu, thus implying that he used tsukuyomi
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Kasegui no Jutsu
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Uchiha Itachi, Uchiha Sasuke
A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.
[picture of the Sharingan]
↑Performing handseals is unnecessary. All that is needed to use this technique is to have the enemy meet one's eyes!
[picture of Orochimaru being caught in this genjutsu]
↑In front of this technique, even Orochimaru is like a frog being glared at by a snake.
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Uchiha Itachi, Uchiha Sasuke
A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.
[picture of the Sharingan]
↑Performing handseals is unnecessary. All that is needed to use this technique is to have the enemy meet one's eyes!
[picture of Orochimaru being caught in this genjutsu]
↑In front of this technique, even Orochimaru is like a frog being glared at by a snake.