Exiguity.

[iSpeak the Truth]

Haha smh so because Sasuke a rookie with MS it took him a longer time to extinguish the flames, that means it's has to take everyone a long time? No, Itachi has had his Mangekyo for over 8 years. He knew he could extinguish the flames, Sasuke didn't know, Jugo even said let's go before we get engulf by the flames. Sasuke wanted to save Karin, so he figured out he could extinguish the flames it was his first time it took him longer nothing more.

In any case, Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. You can clearly see him using TWO DISTINCT ABILITIES FROM HIS TWO EYES. THE ABILITY TO CAST THE FLAME AND THE ABILITY TO CONTROL IT.

 

[Champ]

In any case, Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. You can clearly see him using TWO DISTINCT ABILITIES FROM HIS TWO EYES. THE ABILITY TO CAST THE FLAME AND THE ABILITY TO CONTROL IT.

No definite answer if he has it or not

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

No definite answer if he has it or not

ONLY TO THOSE WHO CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT THE MANGA HAS PORTRAYED SO FAR

This will be my last reply to you on this matter:
Remember that Sasuke's Amaterasu eye is the left one.

Notice in the following image, Sasuke eyes the flames on Susanoo's bones with his Right eye, then activates the Mangekyou Sharingan which is shown by the veins appearing in his eye, then on the next page the flames come off Susanoo's bones and form in the middle and Sasuke yells "Enton:Kagutsuchi! Proving the FACT that Sasuke's second eye jutsu is Kagutsuchi.

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[Champ]

ONLY TO THOSE WHO CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT THE MANGA HAS PORTRAYED SO FAR

This will be my last reply to you on this matter:
Remember that Sasuke's Amaterasu eye is the left one.

Notice in the following image, Sasuke eyes the flames on Susanoo's bones with his Right eye, then activates the Mangekyou Sharingan which is shown by the veins appearing in his eye, then on the next page the flames come off Susanoo's bones and form in the middle and Sasuke yells "Enton:Kagutsuchi! Proving the FACT that Sasuke's second eye jutsu is Kagutsuchi.

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No definite answer has been shown

 

[2big]

i also do not think sasuke can have acess to it great thread that is the only reason he supassed even itachis level of control with amateratsu

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

No definite answer has been shown

Now you're just putting your ignorance up for display.

 

[Dantee]

To be honest I don't see why would go through all the trouble to prove such a feeble point.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

To be honest I don't see why would go through all the trouble to prove such a feeble point.

You're joking right? Do you know how many people think Sasuke has Tsukuyomi?

 

[Dantee]

You're joking right? Do you know how many people think Sasuke has Tsukuyomi?

Whether he does or doesn't I don't know as this debate hasn't really concerned me. The way I see it Sasukes genjutsu will always remain the same. You guys are pretty much debating over a word.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Whether he does or doesn't I don't know as this debate hasn't really concerned me. The way I see it Sasukes genjutsu will always remain the same. You guys are pretty much debating over a word.

It isn't just about that, it's also about the requirements of Susanoo. A LOT of people have this pre-conceived notion that Susanoo requires Amaterasua and Tsukuyomi thanks to an outdated Databook page which was referring only to Itachi, when that isn't the case. Sasuke possesses Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi and Madara doesn't have either.

Anyone not everyone, who awakens both Mangekyou Sharingan eyes has the potential to awaken Susanoo, many people don't get that, that's what this thread is for.

 

[-Logic-]

The amount of An ad hominem in here is...ridiculous. Calm yourselves. U_U

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

This is laughable, you rarely see muppets trying so hard to prove the author of his own manga wrong. Until proven otherwise in the manga then the

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entry still stands, no matter how old. So until proven other wise :​

Two jutsu allowed to be used only by those whose eyes have opened to Mangekyō Sharingan, that sees all things in the universe: Amaterasu, representing the light of the material world; and Tsukuyomi, representing the world of the mind and darkness

 

[-Logic-]

This is laughable, you rarely see muppets trying so hard to prove the author of his own manga wrong. Until proven otherwise in the manga then the

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entry still stands, no matter how old. So until proven other wise :​

What's laughable is that you ignored Varrah's post which outlined the possibility that the Databook is out-dated and only applies to Itachi's Susano'o. And you also resorted to An ad hominem. I'm laughable? Hmmmm....

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

What's laughable is that you ignored Varrah's post which outlined the possibility that the Databook is out-dated and only applies to Itachi's Susano'o. And you also resorted to An ad hominem. I'm laughable? Hmmmm....

Oh I have read it and which is why I found it laughable in the first place, people trying to prove the author of his own manga wrong. Anyone with a rational mind knows that databooks are old as its been out for years but I bet you'd have no problem in the future looking back to any of the previous databooks for reference. Quite hypocritical.

Furthermore, it seems you, like the few others, do not quite grasp the meaning of the word 'those' despite many before me have addressed this, which is why I highlighted it in bold in the first place. Lastly, what you lot are doing can be compared to someone making up a theory that challenges the author and basically hope for the best as the manga progresses on.

Until proven otherwise in the manga databook entries still stands.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Until proven otherwise in the manga databook entries still stands.

Already happened.......get with the times will ya?

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SASUKE's Right eye jutsu is not Tsukuyomi, it is Kagutsuchi! Whoever doesn't see this is an idiot who doesn't deserve to read the manga.

And furthermore....

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Seriously, you cannot ask Kishimoto to spell it out for you any further.....

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

Already happened.......get with the times will ya?

Spoiler

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SASUKE's Right eye jutsu is not Tsukuyomi, it is Kagutsuchi! Whoever doesn't see this is an idiot who doesn't deserve to read the manga.

And furthermore....

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Seriously, you cannot ask Kishimoto to spell it out for you any further.....

Those scans do not do you any favour. You have merely shown me Sasuke's skill in the form of Keitai Henka, something which others have done so before, like the Rasengan. As for the last scan, let me ask you a simple question: what do you think is the reason as to why Obito does not have Susano? And compare that to Sasuke's number of eyes.

You have spouted all of this yet we see Madara and Obito ready to complete their plan. It baffles me how you think Madara is going to complete Moon Eye plan without Tsukuyomi, I believe Owarji already made a complete fool out of you earlier with this.

 

[Prince Charles]

Those scans do not do you any favour. You have merely shown me Sasuke's skill in the form of Keitai Henka, something which others have done so before, like the Rasengan. As for the last scan, let me ask you a simple question: what do you think is the reason as to why Obito does not have Susano? And compare that to Sasuke's number of eyes.

You have spouted all of this yet we see Madara and Obito ready to complete their plan. It baffles me how you think Madara is going to complete Moon Eye plan without Tsukuyomi, I believe Owarji already made a complete fool out of you earlier with this.

I cant wait till kishi shows madara using tysukuyomi.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Those scans do not do you any favour. You have merely shown me Sasuke's skill in the form of Keitai Henka, something which others have done so before, like the Rasengan. As for the last scan, let me ask you a simple question: what do you think is the reason as to why Obito does not have Susano? And compare that to Sasuke's number of eyes.

yet we see Madara and Obito ready to complete their plan. It baffles me how you think Madara is going to complete Moon Eye plan without Tsukuyomi, I believe Owarji already made a complete fool out of you earlier with this.

Sasuke is using his left eye for Amaterasu and his right eye to control the flames, the eye's veins are tightening and showing, an indication that he is using an MS jutsu.

Kagutsuchi is the Shinto God of Fire, a Shinto God just like all the other names of the MS jutsus.

Obito has ONE Mangekyou eye, his other is with Kakashi, are you a moron?

Owarij never replied back to me after I told him this: All MS jutsus have originated from the Juubi because the eyes themselves originate from it. Once Madara is connected to the Juubi or becomes the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he gains access to all of those jutsus.

 

[Out Of Ctrl]

I am truly shocked at how F'ing stupid you are!

Sasuke is using his left eye for Amaterasu and his right eye to control the flames, the eye's veins are tightening and showing, an indication that he is using an MS jutsu.

Kagutsuchi is the Shinto God of Fire, a Shinto God just like all the other names of the MS jutsus.

Obito has ONE Mangekyou eye, his other is with Kakashi, are you a moron?

Owarij never replied back to me after I told him this: All MS jutsus have originated from the Juubi because the eyes themselves originate from it. Once Madara is connected to the Juubi or becomes the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he gains access to all of those jutsus.

You are truly dumb sir.

:sy:​

What an absolute muppet. The reason I asked you that question was in hopes so you would get the obvious implications what Sasuke meant when he stated "two awakened Magekyou". Who knows had Obito kept both of his eyes he would've most likely, at some point, awakened the three powers. Obviously you did not get the point.

I do not deny that Kagutsuchi is not a MS technique but its name being derived from Shinto God does not have relevance as like you said there are numerous other MS techniques,where Kishi got his influences from. By utilizing your logic, Itachi shouldn't have been able to use Izanami since he already posessed three powers from his MS. There is no rule stating that each Uchiha should only have usual three powers once MS has been awakened. Maybe Sasuke's Enton Kagutsuchi is an ability that other Uchihas would be able to perform but Sasuke is the first one to, who knows.

All MS jutsus have originated from the Juubi because the eyes themselves originate from it. Once Madara is connected to the Juubi or becomes the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he gains access to all of those jutsus.

I don't recall the MS techniques were derived directly from the Juubi. Please provide concrete evidence of this and not just some implications.

 

[Prince Charles]

The only reason why i can i think of sasuke not showing tysukuyomi is probably because its laying dormant in his right eye sort of how MS layed dormant in kakashis 3 tomeo until he reached his maximum potential with his 3t then his MS finally awoken from its dormant state.

Or sasuke doesnt know he even has tysukuyomi.

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Look at black zetsus words

Its basically the vice versa of of sasuke since his left eye is amaterasu.