Establishing why: Kisame > Itachi
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I have no other choice because you're so stubborn. You think that you proved me wrong while I think that I proved you wrong and SP is on my side. Two against one. Get over it. If we count SOTRS then it's three against one. u_uSo SP is god now? Stop focusing on other peoples opinions ...
Its rather childish
KidGamer65
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Naruto cloning Kakashi is different from them using the Shouten Technique to transform someone into Kisame, who is capable of wielding all his weapons and tools.
Samehada counts as Kisame's tool and weapon, it was replicated already, but you say it can't absorb chakra despite that being an ability of Samehada? How does that make sense? Your premise of it being living so it can't be cloned fails because:
1. Samehada isn't a living being, its sentient. Sentience is completely different from actually being alive.
2. Two, it was already cloned in the manga. You are just trying to argue it can't use the original Samehada's abilities despite that argument having no base at all.
Then i get Drapshin?
And SP Really didn't care...and he stated that BEFORE i posted my points...again get over it...
Your proof= a Quote
My Proof= Feats...
@TAC how did i derail it for the most part i'm arguing a point the OP made
Even after you posted your so called arguments SP didn't agree and for your information, the Databook states that Sasori can increase Magnetic forces.. Do you know that means he can decrease them as well hence why the Satetsu wasn't attracted to the puppets. Lol
All these thread start failing at the moment where the Op says Genjutsu is avoided since with knowledge, on would know not to look into the Uchiha's eyes. The Uchiha were the most feared clan of all along with the Senju, mainly because of their Sharingan and their dangerous Genjutsu. MOST people know you better not look into an Uchiha's eye; yet Itachi beat a number of partly powerful Shinobi with relative ease. What's the reason behind this? Because not only Itachi has several ways of putting the victim in a Genjutsu, he has likewise several ways of forcing the victim to look into his eyes or another medium which activates Genjutsu.
What makes to idea of simply avoiding eye contact lies in Sakura's words, who says that is indeed hard to avoid eye contact in a battle, what portrays a humans habit. It's hard to follow all of Itachi's actions even if you have the Sharingan, all the harder without and just impossible by avoiding eye contact. Itachi could still use Ephemeral or Dusk Crow Genjutsu, latter distracting and putting the victim into a Genjutsu even without necessary eye contact. When a normal sight has a hard time to follow Itachi's actions properly and let one fall for several feints, one who avoids eye contact, will be simply chanceless.
How will Kisame see Itachi activating the Mangekyo when avoiding eye contact?
Is Kisame immune to 3T Genjutsu? A perfect Jinchuriki is caught as well in a Genjutsu and struggles, until the Bijuu realized the illusion and frees his host. How will Samehada behave? Will it free Kisame immediately from the Genjutsu to preserve him from Itachi's further actions or struggle to free Kisame even more than a Bijuu who is in full harmony with his host and yet can't react in the next second. Killerbee already felt for the Sharingan's paralysis Genjutsu. Having less reliance on something like Samehada than on his Bijuu, 3T Genjutsu would indeed have at least enough effect to give Itachi the necessary openings to end the battle as quickly as he always displayed it.
Kisame may also be fooled by a clone, allowing Itachi to distract him while he activates his Mangekyo Sharingan beyond Kisame's vision.
What makes to idea of simply avoiding eye contact lies in Sakura's words, who says that is indeed hard to avoid eye contact in a battle, what portrays a humans habit. It's hard to follow all of Itachi's actions even if you have the Sharingan, all the harder without and just impossible by avoiding eye contact. Itachi could still use Ephemeral or Dusk Crow Genjutsu, latter distracting and putting the victim into a Genjutsu even without necessary eye contact. When a normal sight has a hard time to follow Itachi's actions properly and let one fall for several feints, one who avoids eye contact, will be simply chanceless.
How will Kisame see Itachi activating the Mangekyo when avoiding eye contact?
Is Kisame immune to 3T Genjutsu? A perfect Jinchuriki is caught as well in a Genjutsu and struggles, until the Bijuu realized the illusion and frees his host. How will Samehada behave? Will it free Kisame immediately from the Genjutsu to preserve him from Itachi's further actions or struggle to free Kisame even more than a Bijuu who is in full harmony with his host and yet can't react in the next second. Killerbee already felt for the Sharingan's paralysis Genjutsu. Having less reliance on something like Samehada than on his Bijuu, 3T Genjutsu would indeed have at least enough effect to give Itachi the necessary openings to end the battle as quickly as he always displayed it.
Kisame may also be fooled by a clone, allowing Itachi to distract him while he activates his Mangekyo Sharingan beyond Kisame's vision.
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More assumptions U_U
SP didn't say shit after i posted anything but again idc....
Nothing ever suggested he can do this except for the fact that a shinobi...in a different nation can use it... LOL
Notice how even the Uchiha...who use the same KKG, obtain different abilities from it?
Forbidden Technique
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*sigh* Not this Uchiha stuff again.. Even their fukin KKG share the same ability: Prediction capabilities, the ability to copy jutsu, etc.
They just get unique shapes of their jutsu such as Amaterasu, Susano'o etc.
In the manget style release that would be the huge kunai, Satetsu, etc. But they share the same damn ability: Magnetism.
That's just showing me a scan and then trying to persuade me with your own interpretation (not downplaying this particular debating tactic btw). I must admit; it's a logical interpretation. However; didn't Kisame merge soon after? It could have easily been responding to Kisame's will a.k.a his intentions; healing him in the process. Or, Kisame's wishes to heal could have been what spawned the action from samehada. I don't really see any proof here that it could sense when Kisame is under a genjutsu; considering he would first be unconscious of it.
Read this post from another thread:
Keep his distance? Itachi would only have to maintain a distance where Kisame feels comfortable and then extend Totsuka. While the sword doesn't have much speed feats, it's pretty fast. I doubt if Itachi 'crept' the totsuka up to Orochimaru lol. So, from this page we can conclude it extended within a time-frame of 1-3 seconds
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. Remember, Orochimaru is looking right at him. Yet, he didn't have time to finish "You"; which in his mind, was probably only less than a second away. Like I said, I doubt that Kisame would try to attack Itachi head on considering how Kisame is kind of an Itachi fanboy. He would most likely keep his distance from the Susano'o and furthermore he knows that Itachi is a genius and he knows that Itachi has knowledge on his absorbing capabilities so he would most likely ask himself; ''Why would Itachi activate something that can be absorbed by Samehada?''. And the most logical conclusion would be that this new technique of Itachi's has a way of countering his absorbing capabilities so he would keep his distance.
Oh well.. Just look above, I guess.
Seriously, there's a limit to anyone's caution; too cautious=not even fighting due to uncertainty. Kisame knows that his Samehada can absorb chakra based attacks, and block the normal physical ones. Cautious he may be, but he also wouldn't want to miss out on opportunities or even lose the battle due to that caution. Too much caution can be a weakness. Your presumptions of Kisame's wariness only entails that he would be looking out for surprised attacks; not pass the opportunity to absorb chakra based techniques. When he knows fully well that samehada is capable of doing so.
Sorry, I'll keep it short because I'm expecting an another ''enlightening'' post from Zexion. >_>
Anyways.. If we both debate this in character then Itachi would use his Susano'o as a last resort against Kisame. When that happens, Water Dome would pretty much be out already and Itachi won't be able to see Kisame anymore so he won't be able to hit him with Totsuka. Especially considering Kisame's speed.
Lmfao.
As you just ****ing said, that ability "magnetism" Takes different shapes here... Lol
3rd Kazekage's= He's able to gather and fire off giant projectiles of IS,
Toroi's- ( Tbh i'm not completely sure) However it seems he can attract things and cause people to become magnetic by coming into contact with a shurikan..
How are you even comparing the two XD XD Its embarrassing really
@FT- I don't need to see those crummy arguments again
The only thing your saying is that the body for Samehada wasn't there... Lmao if what your trying to say was true...why did Samehada
Notice how his sword isn't even with him when he's falling
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It obviously was flung out of his hands during the impact of the hit
Wait yep...There it goes
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That ended your crummy argument real quick U_U
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@FT thanks clearing up that whole chakra in kisame ordeal, but fact of the matter is my case still stands when I said samehada will not instantly break kisame out of the genjutsu, it already displayed how it took the efforts of both chiyo and sakura to effectively break him out of Itachi's genjutsu and mind you it was a instant release on their part either.
Regarding the whole 30% clone limitations I already went over that with bogard. Ill just simply re quote what I said.
Regarding the whole 30% clone limitations I already went over that with bogard. Ill just simply re quote what I said.
Regarding amaterasu Ill post my thoughts on it in a bit.
Do you lack the ability to read what I wrote? I fukin said that they share the same fukin ability: Magnetism. They just attack in different shapes; Satetsu and Shuriken. Is that simple enough for you?
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lmao, you were referring to the normal clone jutsu? I thought you were referring to the Shouten Technique.
*sigh*
Yet there is nothing proving they share the same capabilities with said magnetism...get....over....it
Nothing ... and i mean literally nothing even suggests it..besides..
"You must dodge IS not block it" which was clearly meant towards the puppets...But if Your stubborn ass, yes that's right YOUR being stubborn here..want's to simply make up shitty assumptions for no reason trying to make your character OP..Then by all means go on ahead...