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Establishing why: Kisame > Itachi

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Prince Charles said:
@FT thanks clearing up that whole chakra in kisame ordeal, but fact of the matter is my case still stands when I said samehada will not instantly break kisame out of the genjutsu, it already displayed how it took the efforts of both chiyo and sakura to effectively break him out of Itachi's genjutsu and mind you it was a instant release on their part either.

Regarding the whole 30% clone limitations I already went over that with bogard. Ill just simply re quote what I said.


Regarding amaterasu Ill post my thoughts on it in a bit.
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I don't think anyone gives a damn anymore Charlie.. It's all trying to prove Zexion's shit now. ._.
 
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Zexion~ said:
*sigh*

Yet there is nothing proving they share the same capabilities with said magnetism...get....over....it

Nothing ... and i mean literally nothing even suggests it..besides..

"You must dodge IS not block it" which was clearly meant towards the puppets...But if Your stubborn ass, yes that's right YOUR being stubborn here..want's to simply make up shitty assumptions for no reason trying to make your character OP..Then by all means go on ahead...
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They are the same ****ing KKG. Don't even bring up the damn Uchiha KKG because we both know they are related to the Sage's eye themselves.. Something completely different than other KKGs. Furthermore, there is Sasori's statement and you say how it's about puppets? Where the **** did he mention puppets?
 
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AkatsukiChurch said:
They are the same ****ing KKG. Don't even bring up the damn Uchiha KKG because we both know they are related to the Sage's eye themselves.. Something completely different than other KKGs. Furthermore, there is Sasori's statement and you say how it's about puppets? Where the **** did he mention puppets?
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...He was fighting puppets at the time U_U

No, its like saying people who can use Raiton can all use the same jutsu XD Ludicrous

Mei's Boil Release also differs from that other shinobi ...

There are countless examples
 
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Zexion~ said:
...He was fighting puppets at the time U_U

No, its like saying people who can use Raiton can all use the same jutsu XD Ludicrous

Mei's Boil Release also differs from that other shinobi ...

There are countless examples
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Raiton shares the same ability... Thunders or whatever you want to call them..

Magnet style has the same ability.. Magnetism.

Magnetism isn't a technique you genius..
 
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AkatsukiChurch said:

Sorry, I'll keep it short because I'm expecting an another ''enlightening'' post from Zexion. >_>

Anyways.. If we both debate this in character then Itachi would use his Susano'o as a last resort against Kisame. When that happens, Water Dome would pretty much be out already and Itachi won't be able to see Kisame anymore so he won't be able to hit him with Totsuka. Especially considering Kisame's speed.
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Only, it's not outside Itachi's character. He's a very analytical person, and even reads people and uses it in battle
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Nàmeless said:
Only, it's not outside Itachi's character. He's a very analytical person, and even reads people and uses it in battle
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The link doesn't work. >_> Anyways, it kinda is out of his character due to his stamina problems. While he is analytical, he doesn't just use techniques like Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, etc. to finish his opponents right off the bat. He follows some kind of an order.. Firstly he uses Tsukuyomi, then Amaterasu and then finally Susano'o.
 
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Zexion~ said:
@FT- I don't need to see those crummy arguments again

The only thing your saying is that the body for Samehada wasn't there... Lmao if what your trying to say was true...why did Samehada

Notice how his sword isn't even with him when he's falling
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It obviously was flung out of his hands during the impact of the hit

Wait yep...There it goes
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That ended your crummy argument real quick U_U
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Why did Samehada what.....? You didn't even finish the sentence.
Anyways, if you were blessed with the ability to read and comprehend like everyone else, you would notice that isn't all I wrote.


Forbidden Technique said:
I'm going to break this down for you.



  1. [*] The technique Pain used requires the user's chakra [
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    [*] Only a single body was used to create the Kisame clone [
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    [*] This means that the Samehada clone was made purely out of Kisames chakra that was given to Pain (What is a Mizu Bunshin made of? Kisame's chakra)

    [*] This Samehada clone made purely of Kisames chakra had several of the real Samehadas qualities such as only being loyal and held by Kisame (Samehadas Sensory ability), as well as freely moving on it's own [
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The Samehada clone didn't show any chakra absorption ability as Kisame was fighting Team Gai... a team that doesn't really incorporate any chakra usage. Throughout the fight, no ninjutsu was even used. Despite not getting the chance to showcase it's chakra absorption capability, the clone showed some other Samehada qualities and abilities, which I stated above. This should be more then enough proof that a Mizu Bunshin clone of Samehada is capable of the very same. Also, Samehada was knocked off of Kisame by Gai, when he used the Mizu Bushin. Explaining why they were not on the Mizu Bushin. Here, we see Gai knocking away Samehada, and then Mizu Bushin being created[
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Forbidden Technique said:
Exactly! The doppelganger is also bestowed with all of the originals abilities as well!

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So thanks for proving my point for me. Samehada's clone has all of it's originals abilities. Not even mentioning the fact that Samehada realizing that Gai wasn't Kisame, as well as locating and swimming back to Kisame, is a sensory ability (An ability of the original [
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Forbidden Technique said:
Lmao, quite the weak counter you got here. I bring up manga and DB facts, you bring up nothing other then denial.
Thank God this is my final post, because having to reiterate myself for 3+ times is getting annoying.

Nagato's cloning techniques requires nothing other then the USERS CHAKRA [
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Do you follow?

Only a single body was used to create the Kisame clone [
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Still following?

This means that the Samehada clone was made purely out of Kisames chakra that was given to Pain (What is a Mizu Bunshin made of? Kisame's chakra)

So you can get angry at the fact that the DB pages and Manga disagrees with you, all you want; but a Samehada clone made out of Kisames chakra still has all of it's original abilities.
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Prince Charles said:
@FT thanks clearing up that whole chakra in kisame ordeal, but fact of the matter is my case still stands when I said samehada will not instantly break kisame out of the genjutsu, it already displayed how it took the efforts of both chiyo and sakura to effectively break him out of Itachi's genjutsu and mind you it was a instant release on their part either.

Regarding the whole 30% clone limitations I already went over that with bogard. Ill just simply re quote what I said.


Regarding amaterasu Ill post my thoughts on it in a bit.
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Tbh with you, this thread is ruined and really isn't worth commenting on any further. Perhaps we can pick this up when the scenario arises again, as I already lost interest.

SasoriOfTheRedSaand said:
Wants proof Samehada's clone can absorb things.

Kisame at the time was fighting a team full of Taijutsu users.

Dat Zexion.
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Nigga, I'm saying though..... >_>

On top of that, Samehada clones SHOWN other traits that the real one possessed; Such as chakra sensing and loyalty to Kisame.
 
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AkatsukiChurch said:
The link doesn't work. >_> Anyways, it kinda is out of his character due to his stamina problems. While he is analytical, he doesn't just use techniques like Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, etc. to finish his opponents right off the bat. He follows some kind of an order.. Firstly he uses Tsukuyomi, then Amaterasu and then finally Susano'o.
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Try again, I edited my post. No it's not. If Itachi believes Kisame could easily avoid genjutsu (his specialty), and samehada (a chakra absorbing weapon) largely makes up for the battle; he most definitely would come up with a plan; predicting how his opponent would react to his actions as well.

Also, he activated his MS when Kisame challenged him. He also didn't wait long to do Tsukuyomi on Kakashi. Anyways that's beside the point, because this particular battle is different from the rest. Situations dictates a person's strategy.


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Forbidden Technique said:
Why did Samehada what.....? You didn't even finish the sentence.
Anyways, if you were blessed with the ability to read and comprehend like everyone else, you would notice that isn't what I wrote.
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Ok i'm done... I swear all of you always are forever calling me stubborn but none of you..and i mean NONE Have ever admitted-ed that your wrong, whereas i have a multitude of times

Nagato's cloning techniques requires nothing other then the USERS CHAKRA [1] and a body as a sacrifice [2]

Do you follow?

Only a single body was used to create the Kisame clone [1] While the other body was Itachi's [2] No living creature was used to create the Samehada clone
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All this was proven wrong with the fact that Samehada ended up away from Kisame's body...so your proof is void..end of discussion..Now either get some new proof that is actually solid..

or just admit your wrong..
 
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Zexion~ said:
Lol shaping the magnetism into doing different things....

*sigh* Once again,
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*Epic facedesk* Magnetising stuff isn't shaping magnetism, you fukin genius.. How about I put it simply for you. Sasori magnetized the Satetsu so he can magnetize stuff. In order words, he can magnetize anything Satetsu touches, ;)
 
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AkatsukiChurch said:
*Epic facedesk* Magnetising stuff isn't shaping magnetism, you fukin genius.. How about I put it simply for you. Sasori magnetized the Satetsu so he can magnetize stuff. In order words, he can magnetize anything Satetsu touches, ;)
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No...Just no that doesn't even make any sense... As if he could all the senbon would of been attracted to anything the IS Touches...yes you said he can decrease the magnetism....But even so it still would of been going there slowly? Which it clearly wasn't ...He can't simply just halt the magnetism yet still have giant globs of IS flying around the place
 
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