Ending the Itach vs Minato debate

[ZeroBeloved]

You realise that you are going off topic, but to answer question 2.
Kakashi told kurenai and asume not took into his eyes due to tsukuyomi or else they are dead.

Similarly he told chiyo, sakura and naruto the same thing and thats why they tried to counter this by using gai's strategy

actually im on topic. talking about itachi. tsukuyomi is dangerous but can be avoided. and no one has answered my question. so going by this

itachis tsukuyomi cannot be used to control summonings
need to be close range
cannot genjutsu two people/summonings at the same time

 

[Blaze Release]

actually im on topic. talking about itachi. tsukuyomi is dangerous but can be avoided. and no one has answered my question. so going by this

itachis tsukuyomi cannot be used to control summonings
need to be close range
cannot genjutsu two people/summonings at the same time

I dont believe i said anything about tsukuyomi being used to control summonings? . Normal sharigan genjutsu has been shown to do that

 

[ZeroBeloved]

I dont believe i said anything about tsukuyomi being used to control summonings? . Normal sharigan genjutsu has been shown to do that

never said you did but i assume you know where i am headed. if summonings are used, itachi has to use normal genjutsu to control leaving him open to attack. as far as i know you cant genjutsu 2 people/summons at same time.

 

[satori]

This threads should be banned. All you fanboys trying to make dream matchs that waver around for days discussing the same things ovr and over again. I like them both but don´t really get into who would beat who. You may have imagination is detailing the fight but you don´t really know the extent of Minatos abilities. Either way it becomes as pointless as every other battle were you argue who would beat who. Its not happening so I don´t see why you would all waste your time debating who would emerge victorious.

 

[Inner Eye]

Just one question can u catch someone in genjutsu if u cant see him?

Orochimaru was behind Itachi, when Itachi instantaneously got him with genjutsu. Eye and skin contact was not necessary. Additionally, if Itachi is a flock of crows, each with Sharingan, his field of vision is several overlapping spheres, better than the Byagukan or Rinnegan(s).

Additionally, as both Blaze Release and I have pointed out, a normal Sharingan is enough to catch a summoning in genjutsu (see Sasuke on Orochimaru's snake during the fight with Diedara). You probably don't even need that for most of them, as they operate according to most of the same rules, and can even perform jutsu.

 

[Blaze Release]

never said you did but i assume you know where i am headed. if summonings are used, itachi has to use normal genjutsu to control leaving him open to attack. as far as i know you cant genjutsu 2 people/summons at same time.

He doenst need to use his sharigan to control them if he can not only seal them but also use amaterasu on them U_U

 

[Inner Eye]

never said you did but i assume you know where i am headed. if summonings are used, itachi has to use normal genjutsu to control leaving him open to attack. as far as i know you cant genjutsu 2 people/summons at same time.

If Itachi quickly becomes a flock of crows, each with Sharingan, as he has demonstrated many times, then he does not have to leave himself open to capture any summonings Minato brings to the fight and use them to his advantage.

 

[ZeroBeloved]

He doenst need to use his sharigan to control them if he can not only seal them but also use amaterasu on them U_U

just showing a way to counter tsykuyomi. if he focuses on the summoning what will minato be doing. also susanoo is limited use, needs to be activated to use seal. if uses ameteraso, tsykuyomi cant be used (correct me if i am wrong). open to attack from minato....

 

[Blaze Release]

just showing a way to counter tsykuyomi. if he focuses on the summoning what will minato be doing. also susanoo is limited use, needs to be activated to use seal. if uses ameteraso, tsykuyomi cant be used (correct me if i am wrong). open to attack from minato....

You havent shown me a way to counter tsukuyomi because he has far more logical way to keep the summonings at bay. (i dont remember talking about summonings though, and ive already debated this already but whatever)

In your second sentence im not sure what you are talking about.
What i will say is that is that for itachi to use the totsuka sword to seal those summonings he'd need to use susnao. If he does susano would protect him from minato whilst he seals the summonings with the sword

 

[ZeroBeloved]

If Itachi quickly becomes a flock of crows, each with Sharingan, as he has demonstrated many times, then he does not have to leave himself open to capture any summonings Minato brings to the fight and use them to his advantage.

never seen multiple crow clones use multiple genjutsu.

 

[Blaze Release]

I think your foolish as **** to think that this shit will end it,i can't even believe you actually took time out your life to right all that crap...-_- but hey what ever helps you sleep at night.

It would be a wise move to watch your language. Although i remember + repping you for pwning that dude when you told him he would be wearing sharigan contacts, with an akatsku robe im not the type you would want to try U_U

 

[ZeroBeloved]

You havent shown me a way to counter tsukuyomi because he has far more logical way to keep the summonings at bay. (i dont remember talking about summonings though, and ive already debated this already but whatever)

In your second sentence im not sure what you are talking about.
What i will say is that is that for itachi to use the totsuka sword to seal those summonings he'd need to use susnao. If he does susano would protect him from minato whilst he seals the summonings with the sword

well i have, tsokuyomi (as far as we know) cannot be used on summonings.
if talking about logic, minato countered tobi s/t after seeing used.

my point about susanoo is if itachi activates it, he cant maintain it for long. chakra depleting.

 

[inflame]

Itachi vs minato not agian.
Lets begin minato is higly intellegent, strong, and his got pretty good speed. He lived in the era of the 1st and soon become hokage. Sice he is always near the oppnent, it points out he wa good in taijutsu, also since he created the rasangun and demon seal it points out he was good In jinjutsu. Sice he was teaching a sharingun user (obito) he would have picked up a few tricks. Since he accelerated and grow in both ninjutsu and taijutsu i think its safe to say he also increased his genjutsu capabilities since he was the smart calculating type of person.
Susonno is not invincable, remeber the 1st hokage fought madara with the EMS and yet come out the winner. With all madaras tech he still lost. In the naruto world tech and abilities are nothing but an advantage, Also everything and anything is possible. Iam not a minato fan however i like to give credit where it is due. Every ninja has a chance of winning thats how i look at things.
The quote that well fit just right is " it's not what you have it's how you use it"

 

[pdaworld]

also itachi own words. every technique has weakness

 

[ZeroBeloved]

also itachi own words. every technique has weakness

thank you. i tried to tell fanboys this but they ignore it.

 

[BasedNaruto]

I read the whole thing and i agree with u. I hope Minato FANBOYS read as well. i already knew that itachi could beat minato, due to his genjustu and how it leaves an open spot for an open attack. OVERALL: THis is a Great Thread and i hope u make more like this bro.!

 

[Blaze Release]

well i have, tsokuyomi (as far as we know) cannot be used on summonings.
if talking about logic, minato countered tobi s/t after seeing used.

my point about susanoo is if itachi activates it, he cant maintain it for long. chakra depleting.

Ive already argued this already but let me say this.
In most ninja fights weve seen both when an opponent uses a summoning, the enemy counters by using their own summoning. Meaning a summoning is only useful against another summoning and not a ninja.

Also in all 3 scenario's the chances of him being able to summon is almost impossible. Summonings depending on the size and quantity can easily half your chakra supply. But also they cannot only be controlled and used against minato, they are vulnerable to other attacks

also itachi own words. every technique has weakness

Never denied it, but that applies both ways

 

[Randombody]

He doenst need to use his sharigan to control them if he can not only seal them but also use amaterasu on them U_U

Amaterasu dat, amaterasu this. You do know that it takes chakra to just spam it back and fourth? Itachi was runing like a ***** from Jirayia saying he needed to rest his eyes after 1 USAGE OF AMATERASU, so your point in saying " He can 'just amaterasu all FTG kunais " is ****ing pathetic.

 

[Inner Eye]

never seen multiple crow clones use multiple genjutsu.

But we have seen multiple crows use multiple Sharingan techniques at once. If they can use multiple eye techniques at once, and can use genjutsu from one, the reasonable inference is that they use genjutsu from them as well. Additionally, Itachi has shown that he can store techniques in anything he touches for later use, so he could well have stored up hundreds of low to mid level genjutsu and ninjutsu techniques in his robes, kunai, shuriken, and crows. Since he has shown they can work based off the situation, he could easily have a certain esoteric technique which activates them all at once.

 

[Blaze Release]

Amaterasu dat, amaterasu this. You do know that it takes chakra to just spam it back and fourth? Itachi was runing like a ***** from Jirayia saying he needed to rest his eyes after 1 USAGE OF AMATERASU, so your point in saying " He can 'just amaterasu all FTG kunais " is ****ing pathetic.

Leave out the swear words, not necessary.
Merely makes you look like an stupid and your argument pointless. What i will say is that your chakra supply increases as you get older (17 -21), but also chakra control is very important here.

The mistake you made was that in that same day, he had used tsukuyomi on kakashi, then later used it on sasuke then amaterasu. You also forgot his final fight with sasuke who he outlasted and sasuke has a bigger chakra supply than him