Ending the Itach vs Minato debate

[ZeroBeloved]

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genjutsu comes so easily to him as he said he can catch you with one finger

sorry, that didnt come out right. It implied that itachi need to make eye contact to put person in genjutsu. I was referring it to the other way, as is minato needs to make eye contact with something to be put in genjutsu. Hence eye genjutsu as opposed to jirayai's sound as in genjutsu user need to hear.

IF I AM RIGHT HE USED THE RING

 

[Blaze Release]

sorry, that didnt come out right. It implied that itachi need to make eye contact to put person in genjutsu. I was referring it to the other way, as is minato needs to make eye contact with something to be put in genjutsu. Hence eye genjutsu as opposed to jirayai's sound as in genjutsu user need to hear

Ive already showed you a link which basically goes against what you are saying.
What i will also say is that genjutsu requires high intelligence and excellent chakra control and itachi has both. Even without the sharigan (looking into his eyes) he has still demonstrated to be able to put you in one regardless.

The fact that ive given you links but also him saying it comes so easy to him he can put you in one by pointing his finger at you says its all

 

[ZeroBeloved]

ive already showed you a link which basically goes against what you are saying.
What i will also say is that genjutsu requires high intelligence and excellent chakra control and itachi has both. Even without the sharigan (looking into his eyes) he has still demonstrated to be able to put you in one regardless.

The fact that ive given you links but also him saying it comes so easy to him he can put you in one by pointing his finger at you says its all

but person needs to look at itachis, be it clone, crows etc, person needs to still look at him. Long range genjutsu attacks shown are of clones. Also tsokuyomi was not used, this being my point. Long range are normal sharingan not tsokoyomi, this is my point. They can be broken out of and not as bad as mangekyo

 

[Blaze Release]

but person needs to look at itachis, be it clone, crows etc, person needs to still look at him. Long range genjutsu attacks shown are of clones. Also tsokuyomi was not used, this being my point. Long range are normal sharingan not tsokoyomi, this is my point. They can be broken out of and not as bad as mangekyo

I take it you are countering scenario 1.

I already know that tsukuyomi is short range.
You say the person needs to look at itachi for him to use genjutsu (even though this isnt true), what i will say is that how is minato fighting itachi if he isnt looking at him.

Im aware that genjutsu can be broken and i explained fully in scenario 1.
Its about whether the opponent notices he is in one in time to disable it but also with paralysis genjutsu its harder to dispel it because it paralysis the opponent. Its al about timing to realise you are in one and dispel it and evade a real life attack. In a paralysis genjutsu is harder to dispel

 

[Shadowslayer]

Nobody can predict who would win, because the fact of the matter is that we don't know even half the jutus that Minato knows becuase he hasn't been showcasted that much using his powers. But what i can say in defense of Minato is that he was the youngest person to ever earn the title of Hokage which means he has to be pretty strong. And the fact that during the War he had a run on sight order issued about him, but who knows they are both powerful ninja

 

[inflame]

Blaze relase i somewhat find it offence that you have not responded to the post on page 11. If it was a bad post plz do tell, and if it was good you should respond becausebits somewhat worthy.....
Sorry for the spelling

 

[ZeroBeloved]

I take it you are countering scenario 1.

I already know that tsukuyomi is short range.
You say the person needs to look at itachi for him to use genjutsu (even though this isnt true), what i will say is that how is minato fighting itachi if he isnt looking at him.

Im aware that genjutsu can be broken and i explained fully in scenario 1.
Its about whether the opponent notices he is in one in time to disable it but also with paralysis genjutsu its harder to dispel it because it paralysis the opponent. Its al about timing to realise you are in one and dispel it and evade a real life attack

this will be my last point as i need sleep... normal genjutsu can be broken out of. being my point.. minato will know about prowess of sharingan genjutsu, he was alive then. bolded bit.. this will be just speculation, we know absolutely nothing about minato;s genjutsu abiltity as none shown, we do know he can break genjutsu with contract seal shown against demon fox.

again my point with eye genjutsu is you need to look at him. if you eye is closed you cant be in genjutsu. the naurto one was shown it was the ring if i am right.

will be back

 

[Zetsu Nara]

Nobody can predict who would win, because the fact of the matter is that we don't know even half the jutus that Minato knows becuase he hasn't been showcasted that much using his powers. But what i can say in defense of Minato is that he was the youngest person to ever earn the title of Hokage which means he has to be pretty strong. And the fact that during the War he had a run on sight order issued about him, but who knows they are both powerful ninja

Good Pointt!!

 

[x15751x]

Very nice. +rep

 

[Blaze Release]

this will be my last point as i need sleep... normal genjutsu can be broken out of. being my point.. minato will know about prowess of sharingan genjutsu, he was alive then. bolded bit.. this will be just speculation, we know absolutely nothing about minato;s genjutsu abiltity as none shown, we do know he can break genjutsu with contract seal shown against demon fox.

again my point with eye genjutsu is you need to look at him. if you eye is closed you cant be in genjutsu. the naurto one was shown it was the ring if i am right.

will be back

Normal genjutsu can be broken, I havent denied that.
Its whether the deponent can realise they are in one in time to dispel it to avoid a real life attack.

As for paralysis genjutsu it paralysis the opponent therefore its harder to dispel as oro has showed us.

Its true that he would know about sharigan genjutsu (although he looked into tobi's eye, he would be foolish to do this against itachi) but itachi's way of casting genjutsu is on a whole new level. Again you mention sharigan genjutsu yet im showed you that not only do you not need the sharigan, but also itachi can catch you in one by merely pointing his finger

At the highlighted part are you serious. Genjutsu doesnt require eye contact, it takes control of the users senses. Think you need to re read about genjutsu. Also why would minato close his eyes in such a high level fight when from what we have seen from itach's techniques, intelligence and fighting style he could end it if minato tries such a rather absurd strategy

Seems like im repeating myself and i hate doing that therefore until you can come up with something that doesnt make me repeat myself, ill stop right there U_U

 

[inflame]

This is just a theroy. Minato put a seal on tobi to break the genjutsu he has on the nine-tails. Maybe minato created a seal that some what breaks a genjustsu or gives him a heads up when and if he gets trapped in genjutsu.
I know this some what far fetched but any thing is possible in the naruto world right!! And since minato was able to create two strong jenjutsu it should be some what acceptable. This is just a theroy Please dont flame

 

[Blaze Release]

This is just a theroy. Minato put a seal on tobi to break the genjutsu he has on the nine-tails. Maybe minato created a seal that some what breaks a genjustsu or gives him a heads up when and if he gets trapped in genjutsu.
I know this some what [B]far fetched[/B] but any thing is possible in the naruto world right!! And since minato was able to create two strong jenjutsu it should be some what acceptable. This is just a theroy Please dont flame

Thats your answer

 

[baknbits]

with the knowledge we have at present about both characters I'm going to have to agree with you. Very well thought thread. I just don't think the fight would end so quickly. Have a tough time getting it into my head that Itachi can just put Minato in a genjutsu and kill him.
But considering how Kishi seems to love Minato I wouldn't be surprised if he showed us some scenario that could possibly back up the fanboys' arguments that Minato would destory Itachi.

 

[inflame]

I said some what far fetched.... Since he created the rasangun and demon seal it could be possible. I mean you could acknowledge it even if it was near impossible...... Even if it 0.01 percent chance its still a chance. You still didnt reply to the post on page 11.

 

[The Eye]

btw is this interview real? i always wondered why i heard people say it was but eh...

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Masashi Kishimoto Interview (About Minato) – March 2008
NARUTO 458 │ BLEACH 368 │ ONE PIECE 552
This is a late post from March 2008 Shonen Jump

SJ = Shonen Jump
MK = Masashi Kishimoto

SJ: There’s many rumours regarding Madara being the absolute final villain. Is this true?

MK: Madara being the final villain is yet to be seen and I can’t let that information out just yet. But he will play a big part as a villain, that’s for sure.

SJ: Now that it’s officially known that Yondaime is Naruto’s father, will you show more of Minato?

MK: Yes, definitly. I actually wanted to reveal more about Yondaime earlier, but other characters were in development and some fights still had to be dealt with.

SJ: While we’re at it… could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it’s a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he’s the strongest. I’d say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes… well, without going into many details I’d have to say no. There’s a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

SJ: Now that Itachi seems to be dead, what is Kisame going to do now?

MK: Kisame has always come off as a sidevillain whose only purpose is to travel along Itachi. But to my surprise, Kisame has gone from an unpopular character to someone whose more popular than Deidara after the Gai-fight. I won’t say too much, but Kisame is a character that wont die anytime soon. I will definitly develop on his character more and possibly make him…

SJ: Make him what?

MK: It’s a surprise.

 

[Murderous Intent]

I agree. With most of your points.

I do believe in scenario 1.
Minato would undoubtedly lose.

I believe in scenario 2 though,
that Minato would win.

Because : Minato, would change more than likely try and change the circumstances. Example. Why would'nt he just kill itachi straight away, i mean minato's base speed is incredible. (Saving naruto from a mid-slash by tobi/madara) He could do it. Im not in anyway, saying that itachi is slow, but minato is fast. And he doesn't only need to use kunai's to use ftg. He can plants seals with his hands. So if he even touches itachi with his hand, there is a seal on itachi. Sometimes maybe without him even knowing. Im saying, if i was minato i would try to end this fight as quick as possible since i know the circumstances.

I believe in scenario 3:
Itachi would win. Not with great difficulty. But not with ease.

Overall : I personally think we know about 40% of minato's jutsus and abilities.

We have only seen him fight twice. That were not very long. They were not even finished fights.

 

[Blaze Release]

Spoiler

btw is this interview real? i always wondered why i heard people say it was but eh...

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Masashi Kishimoto Interview (About Minato) – March 2008
NARUTO 458 │ BLEACH 368 │ ONE PIECE 552
This is a late post from March 2008 Shonen Jump

SJ = Shonen Jump
MK = Masashi Kishimoto

SJ: There’s many rumours regarding Madara being the absolute final villain. Is this true?

MK: Madara being the final villain is yet to be seen and I can’t let that information out just yet. But he will play a big part as a villain, that’s for sure.

SJ: Now that it’s officially known that Yondaime is Naruto’s father, will you show more of Minato?

MK: Yes, definitly. I actually wanted to reveal more about Yondaime earlier, but other characters were in development and some fights still had to be dealt with.

SJ: While we’re at it… could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it’s a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he’s the strongest. I’d say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes… well, without going into many details I’d have to say no. There’s a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

SJ: Now that Itachi seems to be dead, what is Kisame going to do now?

MK: Kisame has always come off as a sidevillain whose only purpose is to travel along Itachi. But to my surprise, Kisame has gone from an unpopular character to someone whose more popular than Deidara after the Gai-fight. I won’t say too much, but Kisame is a character that wont die anytime soon. I will definitly develop on his character more and possibly make him…

SJ: Make him what?

MK: It’s a surprise.

You uploading a FAKE interview as your argument because youve got none is laugable. What i will say is that if you have nothing better to say, then please refrain from posting anymore of your non sense.

Who cannot create a fake interview

 

[BloodSeed]

Leave out the swear words, not necessary.
Merely makes you look like an stupid and your argument pointless. What i will say is that your chakra supply increases as you get older (17 -21), but also chakra control is very important here.

The mistake you made was that in that same day, he had used tsukuyomi on kakashi, then later used it on sasuke then amaterasu. You also forgot his final fight with sasuke who he outlasted and sasuke has a bigger chakra supply than him

what? but itachi lose more of his chakra speed etc as he gets older because he was sick!

 

[The Eye]

[/SPOILER]
You uploading a FAKE interview as your argument because youve got none is laugable. What i will say is that if you have nothing better to say, then please refrain from posting anymore of your non sense.

Who cannot create a fake interview

i guess you ddint read what i wrote ? i simply asked if the interivew was real. but gosh somebody sounds mad lolz. and like i said this match remains to be continued untill kishi shows more of minato feats lolz

 

[Aethyx]

I think there equal so it should be a draw.,