Ending the Itach vs Minato debate

[Inner Eye]

also itachi own words. every technique has weakness

He did say "Every strong opponent has a weakness", and also "Every technique has weakness." But Minato would not be able to capitalize on it, it is too fluid and specific.

 

[Inner Eye]

Itachi can store techniques, and his Mirror Shield, roughly as powerful as the Sword of Totsuka, does not require chakra. These combined means that his abilities are easily maintained for half an hour or more, long enough to finish the fight by other means than exhaustion on Itachi's part.

 

[ZeroBeloved]

Ive already argued this already but let me say this.
In most ninja fights weve seen both when an opponent uses a summoning, the enemy counters by using their own summoning. Meaning a summoning is only useful against another summoning and not a ninja.

Also in all 3 scenario's the chances of him being able to summon is almost impossible. Summonings depending on the size and quantity can easily half your chakra supply. But also they cannot only be controlled and used against minato, they are vulnerable to other attacks



Never denied it, but that applies both ways

there is no reason y minato cant summon, dont know how its impossible. can use speed ftg has been shown to have great skills on seal. just showing summonings can be used to avoid tsokuyomi as as itachi will need to focus on summons. minato has large chakra reserve so you cant make auumpstions abot losing half chakra.

 

[Randombody]

Leave out the swear words, not necessary.
Merely makes you look like an stupid and your argument pointless. What i will say is that your chakra supply increases as you get older (17 -21), but also chakra control is very important here.

The mistake you made was that in that same day, he had used tsukuyomi on kakashi, then later used it on sasuke then amaterasu. You also forgot his final fight with sasuke who he outlasted and sasuke has a bigger chakra supply than him

Yes, I will then.
Yes, indeed chakra control plays an important role, but... Why did he tire himself out after 3 usages, if his chakra control is good / important. And you want him to keep useing Amaterasu on many MANY FTG kunais, then it wont matter if he outlasted sauce, he will still not be able to amaterasu every kunai.

 

[ZeroBeloved]

Itachi can store techniques, and his Mirror Shield, roughly as powerful as the Sword of Totsuka, does not require chakra. These combined means that his abilities are easily maintained for half an hour or more, long enough to finish the fight by other means than exhaustion on Itachi's part.

making up numbers there.... susanoo' needs to be activated to use both weapons, never shown otherwise. susanoo' heavily drain chakra, every1 will tell you that

 

[Blaze Release]

there is no reason y minato cant summon, dont know how its impossible. can use speed ftg has been shown to have great skills on seal. just showing summonings can be used to avoid tsokuyomi as as itachi will need to focus on summons. minato has large chakra reserve so you cant make auumpstions abot losing half chakra.

Minato has a bigger chakra supply than itachi but you cannot say he has a 'large chakra supply'. Doubt he is in the same league as the 3rd raikage or kisame with chakr asupply, but also if chakra supply wins a fight the tailed beasts would rule supreme but this clearly isnt the case

If he was to make one summoning his chakra reserve would decrease although not that much, but in either range (short or long) he is vulnerable to genjutsu. Talking about long range attacks i forgot about yasaka magatama U_U

Btw which scenario are you trying to counter

 

[Blaze Release]

Yes, I will then.
Yes, indeed chakra control plays an important role, but... Why did he tire himself out after 3 usages, if his chakra control is good / important. And you want him to keep useing Amaterasu on many MANY FTG kunais, then it wont matter if he outlasted sauce, he will still not be able to amaterasu every kunai.

I never said he would use amaterasu on an ftg kunai
You are clearly not worthy of a responce therefore ill ignore you U_U

 

[Randombody]

I never said he would use amaterasu on an ftg kunai
You are clearly not worthy of a responce therefore ill ignore you U_U

Aight it might not have been you, but someone else.
The point is, that if he did do so, he would WASTE to much chakra:


And my first reply in this thread was to you with the " amaterasu dat ". You make it sound like Amaterasu has no chakra drain at all

 

[inflame]

The battle can not be prdicted. However we can all agree that it woul be epic right!!!

 

[Blaze Release]

Aight it might not have been you, but someone else.
The point is, that if he did do so, he would WASTE to much chakra:


And my first reply in this thread was to you with the " amaterasu dat ". You make it sound like Amaterasu has no chakra drain at all

Which scenario exactly are you trying to counter

 

[ZeroBeloved]

Minato has a bigger chakra supply than itachi but you cannot say he has a 'large chakra supply'. Doubt he is in the same league as the 3rd raikage or kisame with chakr asupply, but also if chakra supply wins a fight the tailed beasts would rule supreme but this clearly isnt the case

If he was to make one summoning his chakra reserve would decrease although not that much, but in either range (short or long) he is vulnerable to genjutsu. Talking about long range attacks i forgot about yasaka magatama U_U

yasaka magatama needs susanoo' (chakra depletes greatly), minato has speed, ftg, s/t barrier to avoid. what exactly is long range, i'v seen itachi use genjutsu on kakashi, naruto, orichimaru, deidra all short range very close. he maintains long range like on the women against jiraya but thats after person on genjutsu.

minato can summons instantaneusly, doesnt need to look at itachi.

 

[inflame]

Read the last post on page 11 and if any one can come up with a good response please dont hesitate

 

[Randombody]

Which scenario exactly are you trying to counter

None of your scenarios, I just dont like you going around and saying "He is just gonna amaterasu that" (refering to the summoings), you make it sound like he has chakra to waste on somebull shit like that.


And about you screnarios, nice. No Not really

We have seen what from minato? a 5 minut fight vs tobi, anything else? No
What have we seen from Itachi? Fight vs Sasuke, Fight vs killer bee&naruto, Fight vs pain. Fight vs the jounins. Fight vs kakashi. Blabla, so of course you can point out more stuff on his jutsus, theroes, fighting style, what he can use.

HECK Minato might even have some motha****a one hit jutsu we dont know stuff about, so saying Itachi is better than minato when we dont know anything about him, is ridiclous.

EDITED : Edited something on the Itachi part

 

[ZeroBeloved]

But we have seen multiple crows use multiple Sharingan techniques at once. If they can use multiple eye techniques at once, and can use genjutsu from one, the reasonable inference is that they use genjutsu from them as well. Additionally, Itachi has shown that he can store techniques in anything he touches for later use, so he could well have stored up hundreds of low to mid level genjutsu and ninjutsu techniques in his robes, kunai, shuriken, and crows. Since he has shown they can work based off the situation, he could easily have a certain esoteric technique which activates them all at once.

sticking to facts, and no we havent seen crows using multiple sharingan techniques, only 1 i remember is when itachi gave naruto kotoamutsukami... if we are spouting random stuff minato has SAGE MODE, RINNEGAN and is SO6P, manga proof please

 

[xPainx]

K we can honestly end this little debate, cause for right now Minato is at a handicap. Reason being is because Itachi has been introduced into the show for a LONG time and we have had time to see him in action, while Minato has not. WE DO NOT KNOW THAT MUCH ANOUT MINATO all we know is he can do rasengan and ftg thats pretty much all we have seen cause like I said he was recently actually introduced and of course he is very smart. No1 can fully predict how the Itachi vs. Minato battle will actually go without knowing all the facts. So just drop it.

 

[Randombody]

K we can honestly end this little debate, cause for right now Minato is at a handicap. Reason being is because Itachi has been introduced into the show for a LONG time and we have had time to see him in action, while Minato has not. WE DO NOT KNOW THAT MUCH ANOUT MINATO all we know is he can do rasengan and ftg thats pretty much all we have seen cause like I said he was recently actually introduced and of course he is very smart. No1 can fully predict how the Itachi vs. Minato battle will actually go without knowing all the facts. So just drop it.

Knows what he is talking about, AGREE.

 

[ZeroBeloved]

the battle can not be prdicted. However we can all agree that it woul be epic right!!!

it wont be, they are on the same side and are similar in thinking. They will never fight each other...

 

[Blaze Release]

yasaka magatama needs susanoo' (chakra depletes greatly), minato has speed, ftg, s/t barrier to avoid. what exactly is long range, i'v seen itachi use genjutsu on kakashi, naruto, orichimaru, deidra all short range very close. he maintains long range like on the women against jiraya but thats after person on genjutsu.

minato can summons instantaneusly, doesnt need to look at itachi.

Ive already showed you not only images of itachi using genjutsu at long range but also Ao and Shikaku's statement. (hate repeating myself). If minato was to be caught in a long range genjutsu, both him and his summoning are vulnerable to any real life attack

None of your scenarios, I just dont like you going around and saying "He is just gonna amaterasu that" (refering to the summoings), you make it sound like he has chakra to waste on somebull shit like that.


And about you screnarios, nice. No Not really

We have seen what from minato? a 5 minut fight vs tobi, anything else? No
What have we seen from Itachi? Fight vs Sasuke, Fight vs killer bee&naruto, Fight vs pain. Fight vs the jounins. Fight vs kakashi. Blabla, so of course you can point out more stuff on his jutsus, theroes, fighting style, what he can use.

HECK Minato might even have some motha****a one hit jutsu we dont know stuff about, so saying Itachi is better than minato when we dont know anything about him, is ridiclous.

EDITED : Edited something on the Itachi part

Think you might need reading classes, this is to do with the bold part.
I do agree that we havent seen enough of minato but this is going by what we have seen.

What i would say is that the idea of his fans giving him techniques he hasnt shown is what made me to create such a thread and end this, but also for future purposes

 

[ZeroBeloved]

ive already showed you not only images of itachi using genjutsu at long range but also ao and shikaku's statement. (hate repeating myself). If minato was to be caught in a long range genjutsu, both him and his summoning are vulnerable to any real life attack



think you might need reading classes, this is to do with the bold part.
I do agree that we havent seen enough of minato but this is going by what we have seen.

What i would say is that the idea of his fans giving him techniques he hasnt shown is what made me to create such a thread and end this, but also for future purposes

i know about ao, shikkaku statement but like i said you still need to look at the sharingan, naruto looked at itachis finger, crow, it is eye genjutsu afterall. My point is minato can summon without eye contact. Full stop. Sasuke with itachi clone same as naruto. None the less eye contact. Unless you are stating itachi doesnt need eye contact for genjutsu. If so proof...

 

[Blaze Release]

i know about ao, shikkaku statement but like i said you still need to look at the sharingan, naruto looked at itachis finger, crow, it is eye genjutsu afterall. My point is minato can summon without eye contact. Full stop. Sasuke with itachi clone same as naruto. None the less eye contact. Unless you are stating itachi doesnt need eye contact for genjutsu. If so proof...

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Genjutsu comes so easily to him as he said he can catch you with one finger