[VS] EMS Sasuke, DSM Kabuto, BM Minato Vs. BM Bee w/ Samehada, BM Naruto, and Nagato

[Bogard]

I'm glad Hashirama isn't here, that dude just makes all versus threads boring.

I give it to team 2 high diff. BSM Naruto is truly something dangerous; increased physicals/ninjutsu while increasing threat perception coupled with bijuudamas and immense speed.

Although, Bee is a bit of a weak link in this battle.

OP talks about BM Naruto, not BSM Naruto. Not as if it changes a thing anyway since his boast most likely only happen on his body itself, not on the chakra cloak he uses when entering said mode

 

[Touken]

OP talks about BM Naruto, not BSM Naruto. Not as if it changes a thing anyway since his boast most likely only happen on his body itself, not on the chakra cloak he uses when entering said mode

If it's BM Naruto then team 1 take it high diff.

The boost on his own body is still vital though but we'll have to see more feats from BSM Naruto.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Because he can't give as much chakra. Thats if he even can.



Bold: Your still not wrapping your head around what im saying.

Then why was he looking at the other Kyuubi and why did the other Kyuubi respond? :vincent:

Edit: Mis-read what you said. BM doesn't affect chakra control, only jutsu strength and knead/release capabilities.

thats questionable since bm naruto can pull out twin rs without clones or arms helping him make/sustain it while base naruto needs clones even do one (sage mode to sustain). If his chakra control doesn't improve then kishi got some explaining to do.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

thats questionable since bm naruto can pull out twin rs without clones or arms helping him make/sustain it while base naruto needs clones even do one (sage mode to sustain). If his chakra control doesn't improve then kishi got some explaining to do.

Thats knead/release. Not the same thing.

Naruto's chakra control already went through the roof in the War Arc, Handling that much of the Kyuubi's chakra put him above Minato in that respect cannonically.

 

[Crossroads]

Also, in this fight.

Naruto has Ma and Pa, along with Gamkichi, Gamahiro, and Gamaken.

I'll give Gamabunta to Minato for the sheer fact that that's his only summon that he's displayed.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Thats knead/release. Not the same thing.

Naruto's chakra control already went through the roof in the War Arc, Handling that much of the Kyuubi's chakra put him above Minato in that respect cannonically.

He couldn't keep it concentrated. not knead release. Thats why it disappears over a certain period of time. In fact thats the sole reasons he uses clones for rasengans.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

@Demonic Avenger

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There you have it.

 

[Bogard]

Also, in this fight.

Naruto has Ma and Pa, along with Gamkichi, Gamahiro, and Gamaken.

I'll give Gamabunta to Minato for the sheer fact that that's his only summon that he's displayed.

Minato summoned Gerotora as well to give him the key of Hakke fuin and it's stated in the databook that Gerotora is a rare species even on Myobouku mt. If Minato is capable to summon even rare specie, dunno why he couldn't summon the rest especially when it's stated both by Kishimoto and his databook that a contract with a toad helps you to summon every toad. Now if it's the condition you put for this match-up only, i can understand

 

[Transcendence]

Team two wins quite easily. Naruto shares his chakra of a larger volume and Nagato with Kyuubi chakra is a monster. Bee the same but he also has access to Samehada which is deadly as well.

 

[Nous]

Team 1.

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a fact, many are being oblivious toward. In addition to such, it is located on the back of Kirābī, otherwise known as the blind-side.

This can be abused. Minato, utilized his Hirashin no Jutsu to warp to Obito, despite it being so long since he placed the seal.. He shall remember Kirābī and remember to teleport to such when the time is right. How shall he do such? Simple - Minato shall produce a

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, employ Hirashin and attack Kirābī, rendering Kirābī fatally wounded. Unable to battle.

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B. It shan't be wise to summon any toads.. This is due to the location. It is such a small proximity [Jiraiya vs Pein] making it unwise and unproductive to kuchiyose the toads. This completely restricts Naruto's ability to summon Fukasaku/Shima to employ Senpō: Kawazu Naki.. In effect, it would also restrict Minato from summoning any Toads as well. However, again Hirashin no Jutsu can be abused.

Prior to this realization, Nagato obviously being a more "large-scale" fighter, shall utilize Chou Shinra Tensei to destroy the building. Kabuto will protect his team-mate Minato via Senpō: Muki no Tensei and Sasuke can utilize his Susano'o.

Minato and Naruto will be charging up their respective bijūdama to combat one another equally.. This is while both Kurama Jinchūriki's create Kage Bunshin to assist their team-mates. Naruto shall grant Nagato a cloak as Minato shall for Kabuto and Sasuke. After both bijūdama are charged up Minato shall employ Hirashin.

IIRC, Minato left a Hirashin-Seal on Naruto's Belly.. He shall utilize his Hirashin to send his bijūdama directly into Naruto's stomach [obviously killing] him and utilize Jikūkan Barrier to send Naruto's bijūdama elsewhere.

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C. Minato shall throw his Hirashin-Kunai at Nagato which Nagato will utilize Shinra Tensei against. Kabuto, Sasuke and Minato will collaborate and push Nagato out into the water, via Kurama Communication. Once outside, Kabuto can abuse Senpō: Muki no Tensei to acquire control over the water by sending his seemingly endless supply of Sennin Mōdo Energy into the liquid. With full control over the water, Kabuto can create Tsunami-Size Waves to attack Nagato who's only counter would be Shinra Tensei.

Nagato may utilize Chibaku Tensei. If so, a combination of Enton-Susano'o Arrow and Bijūdama shall destroy it. This is a great if.. Nagato may be defeated prior to this.

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Sasuke can spam Susano'o Arrows while Minato is charging bijūdama and Kabuto is preparing his Sound Genjutsu/attacking Nagato directly, Nagato will eventually be vulnerable and be killed. This is presuming that Nagato won't utilize Gedō: Rinne Tensei to bring back Naruto and B.

D. Gedō Mazō.. This can only be summoned when in the Water-Setting. This can be countered by endless waves attacking it and Minato, now with more space, Gamabunta and other toads.
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[Bogard]

Team two wins quite easily. Naruto shares his chakra of a larger volume and Nagato with Kyuubi chakra is a monster. Bee the same but he also has access to Samehada which is deadly as well.

Why is Kyubi's chakra any helping Nagato when he already has Bijuu level chakra? It's not as if he could be outlasted that easily. The chakra cloak itself is controlled by Naruto btw

 

[AGoodBoy]

Team two wins quite easily. Naruto shares his chakra of a larger volume and Nagato with Kyuubi chakra is a monster. Bee the same but he also has access to Samehada which is deadly as well.

And what of Ems sasuke and DSM kabuto on Kyuubi chakra? That's now Sound gen on a ****ed up scale.

Why is Kyubi's chakra any helping Nagato when he already has Bijuu level chakra? It's not as if he could be outlasted that easily. The chakra cloak itself is controlled by Naruto btw

Because kyuubi chakra would increase the power of all of his jutsu. He'd put less effort into Massive ST's along with a nice cloak of armor and a boost to his elemental jutsu - He's canonically shown Fuuton and Suiton techs and has been said to be able to learn all techs. Just his suiton would nullify sasuke's Katon, and his fuuton would nullify sasuke's raiton :/

 

[Transcendence]

Why is Kyubi's chakra any helping Nagato when he already has Bijuu level chakra? It's not as if he could be outlasted that easily. The chakra cloak itself is controlled by Naruto btw

It would increase the power of his techniques massively. It's not about his Bijuu levels of chakra. Kyuubi chakra increases the power of techniques by an unknown variable. Nagato would be a Pseudo Rikudou in this situation and he could create a Chibaku Tensei far larger than he made in the Pein Arc (which was after battling SM Naruto twice and fighting 6T Kyuubi; in other words, unrested).

And what of Ems sasuke and DSM kabuto on Kyuubi chakra? That's now Sound gen on a ****ed up scale.

Because kyuubi chakra would increase the power of all of his jutsu. He'd put less effort into Massive ST's along with a nice cloak of armor and a boost to his elemental jutsu - He's canonically shown Fuuton and Suiton techs and has been said to be able to learn all techs. Just his suiton would nullify sasuke's Katon, and his fuuton would nullify sasuke's raiton :/

Exactly...

Sasuke already has the cloak and we haven't seen anything from it. I can't quantify how it would affect DSM Kabuto, but Naruto's volume of transfer and his method is superior to Minato's.

 

[Crossroads]

I'm not going to side yet, but before I do..

How do you guys feel about Samehada Vs. Biju-Dama..?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm not going to side yet, but before I do..

How do you guys feel about Samehada Vs. Biju-Dama..?

samehada cant absorb a bijudama. if he/it sucks chakra from it it would mess up the ratio and blow up in its face

 

[Touken]

samehada cant absorb a bijudama. if he/it sucks chakra from it it would mess up the ratio and blow up in its face

Mess up the ratio? Damn.

I'm not saying Samehada can absorb a bijuudama, I haven't a clue about this but once a bijuudama is formed, it essentially becomes one molecule. All the reactants/substrates have reacted and thus become one product, so it's:
Positive Chakra + Negative Chakra (I don't know the exact ratio though) ------> bijuudama. Samehada nor Preta Path splits the reaction up again, they absorb the product.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

He couldn't keep it concentrated. not knead release. Thats why it disappears over a certain period of time. In fact thats the sole reasons he uses clones for rasengans.

You should be more specific as to what your refering too. I thought you meant that he couldn't output the neccesary chakra to equate to two Rasen-Shruikens.

Though the point is still moot. Naruto's own chakra control advanced significantly. He's able to handle a large portion of the Kyuubi's chakra at once and match it to others people's chakra. Which makes him being able to use Akimbo FRS in BM and not base more than likely a knead/release problem or that he's not as skilled with elemental chakra kneading.

 

[Unorthodox]

Team 1 Minato gives them chakra cloaks plus ftg tags bee is a non factor when amaterasu focus will eat thru the chakra cloak like breakfast or even an inhanced susanoo arrow Nagato chakra may make his arsenal bigger but it was big to begin with Kabuto last longer than bee thus nagato being jumped kabuto adds senjutsu to sasuke susanoo destroying nagato intervals

by this time minato is on his death bed while naruto can only maintain something like km or sm sasuke & kabuto kurama cloak wearing off would have them with full chakra & stamina

team 1 mid diff

 

[Crossroads]

Team 1 Minato gives them chakra cloaks plus ftg tags bee is a non factor when amaterasu focus will eat thru the chakra cloak like breakfast or even an inhanced susanoo arrow Nagato chakra may make his arsenal bigger but it was big to begin with Kabuto last longer than bee thus nagato being jumped kabuto adds senjutsu to sasuke susanoo destroying nagato intervals

by this time minato is on his death bed while naruto can only maintain something like km or sm sasuke & kabuto kurama cloak wearing off would have them with full chakra & stamina

team 1 mid diff

You're underrating the second team so much.

Whichever team wins, it's with the highest of difficulties.


- Naruto can also hand out BM cloaks, and Naruto's cloak actually

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than Minato's.

- BM cloak isn't getting ate up by Amaterasu/Enton as easily as you're making it sound, and Sasuke will have his plate full of problems. Nagato's summonings, Naruto's summonings, Naruto's KCM clones, Bee, and everyone on his team his powered up with a cloak.


I'm not going to get too much into this, I'm merely letting you know that it's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

 

[Bieber]

I'm not going to side yet, but before I do..

How do you guys feel about Samehada Vs. Biju-Dama..?

This is late, but Samehada can't completely absorb it. [

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