Edo Hashirama underrated greatly.

[ReverseZero12]

Indeed, but I don't think it's a fair match up, Edo Madara vs. Edo Hashirama, it's been stated by kabuto that he enhanced him with powers above his prime.

But didn't hashirama defeat a kyuubi cloaked eith susanoo along with EMS Madara. That's still a huge huge feat. I think right now, there both in the same league so for me, either of them could take it from the looks of it.

 

[Multiply]

if you were making a serious analysis, you wouldnt give madara techs that he doesnt have feats with.

Which techniques?

 

[nandachikara]

i agree with this 100%.madara can feel like a god if he wants, the truth is he knows he is still below hashirama that is why he wants to fight hashirama so badly to see who is the stronger.

 

[Multiply]

i can understand where you are coming from (understandable) but, i have to disagree.

edo Madara has been enhanced beyond any level he reached. he unlocked the RINNEGAN at an old age and now he has it in a young body with Senju cells enhancements.
as for edo Hashirama, the way i see it he is the same Hashirama (same jutsu/abilities) but with an edo body.
to be more clear :

edo Hashirama = same jutsu/edo body.

edo Madara = extra super powerful jutsu (including some of Hashirama's)/RINNEGAN/edo body.

with their original power Hashirama clearly had the upper hand/stronger but, Hashirama remained the same while Madara got stronger, so i guess we will have to wait and see who wins in the end (to see if Madara became strong enough to take Hashi out).

my money is on edo Madara

I respect your opinion, though Hashirama lived long after Madara's defeat. He learned more techniques that we have yet to see likely. *_*

You forgot Madara's enhanced body, which technically means>>

His clones were fodder<<

What clones? Are you high XD

 

[ODDtobi]

Madara wins

 

[TheSages456]

Which techniques?

the 6 paths. suiton, doton powers.

that isnt an analysis based on the manga. you are basically listing techs that you think madara should have despite him having no feats with such an arsenal and seeing how it matches up to hashirama.

the correct conclusion is buddha>PS>everything else madara has.

 

[Draphsin]

Knew fanboys like you would show up *_*

1. Actually read the entire thread. You'll understand.
2. Hashi has powerful suiton and doton, because without an absolute mastery over both, Mokuton would not have been possible. Especially at the high levels he's using it at. Refer back to Naruto learning FRS from Yamato, and his discussion about how KKG is formed.

Im not a fanboy, get off of your high horse U_U.

Madara isnt even one of my favorites anymore, I lost interest in him after his hashirama freakout, I just know when something is obvious

1. I read what I needed to, you believe that hashi can win due to what exactly? His powerful sealing techniques? like what? Hashi has only shown 1 powerful sealing jutsu while madara can create multiple mokuton bunshins because hashi has no counter to them, thus rendering that seal useless.

Madara's PS cant be stopped like last time either so shinsuusenju is useless, look at the damage of PS compared to shinsuusenju & tell me which one was on the recieving end of that exchange? Shinsuusenju was.

2. Okay, assume he has S-rank doton & suiton, that wont help him as the rinnegan allows mastery over all 5 nature releases. Fighting with elemental ninjutsu alone is also useless in hashi's case.

Hashi has nothing that can defeat edo madara, his shinsuusenju is large but its a glass tank, it wont help hashi seal edo madara who has a jutsu that can end the fight by simply 1 touch.

 

[Multiply]

Im not a fanboy, get off of your high horse U_U.

Madara isnt even one of my favorites anymore, I lost interest in him after his hashirama freakout, I just know when something is obvious

1. I read what I needed to, you believe that hashi can win due to what exactly? His powerful sealing techniques? like what? Hashi has only shown 1 powerful sealing jutsu while madara can create multiple mokuton bunshins because hashi has no counter to them, thus rendering that seal useless.

Madara's PS cant be stopped like last time either so shinsuusenju is useless, look at the damage of PS compared to shinsuusenju & tell me which one was on the recieving end of that exchange? Shinsuusenju was.

2. Okay, assume he has S-rank doton & suiton, that wont help him as the rinnegan allows mastery over all 5 nature releases. Fighting with elemental ninjutsu alone is also useless in hashi's case.

Hashi has nothing that can defeat edo madara, his shinsuusenju is large but its a glass tank, it wont help hashi seal edo madara who has a jutsu that can end the fight by simply 1 touch.

1. What does kage bunshins and sealing have anythign to do with anything. If he uses a kage bunshin while being sealed, he's just splitting the chakra he has left in his main self, that would help him escape. That's not benefiting. As a counter, Hashi merely disperses his own clones to spar with Madara's.

2. Yes, you disproved yourself, it ALLOWS. Madara hasn't shown he knows, raiton or fuuton techniques. That's an asspull by you there. Also why is it useless? He has unlimited chakra. Madara would likely match his techniques with his own elemental ninjutsu.

Buddha statue is merely to fight meteor and PS. Simple.

 

[KiriyuSenju]

I do agree on most of it, but Madara does also have sealing techniques, though not shown in Manga. He did break off edo tense, which is a sealing technique. He might have copied the formula with his sharingan, but the formula itself is really advanced and thus would show he has knowledge of it. The other example is for him to use preta path. I believe even though he unlocked Rinnegan just prior to his death, even rinnegan techniques needs to be learned and understood and as preta path itself is a sealing technique it also gives insight to his knowledge on it.

But i do agree, Rinnegan is the only reason which Madara would win over Hashirama. In their new fight, i think it will just be a repetition of Naruto Vs Nagato fight where Senjutsu wins over Rinnegan.

But also, as Madara only achieved Rinnegan just prior to his death, he should not have had time to learn how to utilize Rinnegan all that well. If so, it's simply another Plot no jutsu.

 

[Draphsin]

1. What does kage bunshins and sealing have anythign to do with anything. If he uses a kage bunshin while being sealed, he's just splitting the chakra he has left in his main self, that would help him escape. That's not benefiting. As a counter, Hashi merely disperses his own clones to spar with Madara's.

No you misunderstand, madara creates mokuton bunshins beforehand, with this hashi cant tell which madara to seal. Even if hashi creates bunshins then he still only has one shot to seal him. & the worst part about that seal is that it doesnt seal the enemy's soul.

2. Yes, you disproved yourself, it ALLOWS. Madara hasn't shown he knows, raiton or fuuton techniques. That's an asspull by you there. Also why is it useless? He has unlimited chakra. Madara would likely match his techniques with his own elemental ninjutsu.

There's a reason why I made the rinnegan's mastery a counter for hashi's doton & suiton, lol. Any jutsu that hashi uses madara can then copy & perform on hashi's scale. Hashi's doton is countered by madara's doton, & hashi's suiton is countered by madara's suiton. The only ninjutsu that madara cant copy from hashi is shinsuusenju.

Buddha statue is merely to fight meteor and PS. Simple.

Yes but how does hashi win, there is absolutely nothing that hashi can do to stop madara. Human path ends hashi in his tracks no questions asked.

 

[Multiply]

No you misunderstand, madara creates mokuton bunshins beforehand, with this hashi cant tell which madara to seal. Even if hashi creates bunshins then he still only has one shot to seal him. & the worst part about that seal is that it doesnt seal the enemy's soul.



There's a reason why I made the rinnegan's mastery a counter for hashi's doton & suiton, lol. Any jutsu that hashi uses madara can then copy & perform on hashi's scale. Hashi's doton is countered by madara's doton, & hashi's suiton is countered by madara's suiton. The only ninjutsu that madara cant copy from hashi is shinsuusenju.



Yes but how does hashi win, there is absolutely nothing that hashi can do to stop madara. Human path ends hashi in his tracks no questions asked.

1. Hashi is the originator of the technique. He can has amazing sensing abilities, proved in the Uchiha shrine when he sensed Orochimaru was entirely made of his cells.

2. Exactly? That's why I put them on equal terms on elemental ninjutsu. Besides of course, if Hashi powers them up with sage mode, which their power can't be copied.

3. Hashi wins by sealing first? That's what it comes down to in a edo vs edo fight.

 

[Bronze]

garbage thread.

mokuton is KKG which you cannot copy. so madara didn't copy them, he learned them when he obtained mokuton.

rinnegan is the strongest dojutsu which means > EMS that turned hashirama into a beating shit. rinnegan would make it worse.

last but not least madara has stated to be perfect with no weakness, so madara > anyone including hashirama.

 

[Multiply]

garbage thread.

mokuton is KKG which you cannot copy. so madara didn't copy them, he learned them when he obtained mokuton.

rinnegan is the strongest dojutsu which means > EMS that turned hashirama into a beating shit. rinnegan would make it worse.

last but not least madara has stated to be perfect with no weakness, so madara > anyone including hashirama.

Get off my thread tbh U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

Im not a fanboy, get off of your high horse U_U.

Madara isnt even one of my favorites anymore, I lost interest in him after his hashirama freakout, I just know when something is obvious

1. I read what I needed to, you believe that hashi can win due to what exactly? His powerful sealing techniques? like what? Hashi has only shown 1 powerful sealing jutsu while madara can create multiple mokuton bunshins because hashi has no counter to them, thus rendering that seal useless.

Madara's PS cant be stopped like last time either so shinsuusenju is useless, look at the damage of PS compared to shinsuusenju & tell me which one was on the recieving end of that exchange? Shinsuusenju was.

2. Okay, assume he has S-rank doton & suiton, that wont help him as the rinnegan allows mastery over all 5 nature releases. Fighting with elemental ninjutsu alone is also useless in hashi's case.

Hashi has nothing that can defeat edo madara, his shinsuusenju is large but its a glass tank, it wont help hashi seal edo madara who has a jutsu that can end the fight by simply 1 touch.

You mean PS coated on Kyuubi. I could have sworn that what caused that damage to Shinsuusenju was Bijuu Dama with PS blades inside them. Not PS blades by themselves. PS on its own isn't achieving what PS with Kyuubi couldn't achieve, that makes no sense.

You are basically saying PS>PS+Kyuubi. Which is false. Buddha>PS Kyuubi>PS. So PS will get broken just like it did last time.

 

[ImNoOne]

I honestly don't think you've proven your most important points. I don't see how the Budda will counter stabilized PS and Meteors. I don't see it countering neither much less the two combined.

Also you claim Madara is weak on seals. But may I remind you that Madara has been summoning stuff ever since we first heard of him in the Manga. Examples can be found when he summoned the Juubi's body from the Moon, vulgo Gedo Mazo; another example would be the summoning of the Kyuubi; a different example on the ability of using seals and for example Medical Ninjutso would have to be the fact that Madara actually succeeded on implanting onto himself Hashirama's cells and control/restrict them in order not to transform into a tree.

Also there is a point that has so far been conviniently left out by Kishi. We know Madara is a very, very, very skilled Genjutso user, skilled enough to subdue bijuu's, control jinks and come up with Infinite Tsukuyomi, yet so far we've not seen Madara using Genjutso a single time in battle. This might send us down the path to conclude that the reason for this is that Madara does not like to use Genjutso, despite the fact that it most likely is his most strong atribute.
Another important point regarding the last is that Hashirama has never shown any thing that can possibly counter, there you go, Genjutso.

So I honestly don't see how you can put Hashirama so confortably higher than Madara when in all due truthfulness everything points towards the oposite scenario.

 

[AlphaScythian]

How about report yourself for trolling?
Madara mediocre sealing technique?
He brought juubi back from the moon. He replicated every rinnegan tech. He can seal souls, uchiha barrier.

SM will give the edge in mokuton due to better chakra? Uchiha chakra is more powerful then of biju. MS Sasuke was stated to have more intense chakra then with CM aka SM, so invalid.

How will hashirama deal with chibaku tensei? He does not have any explosive attack, all the mokuton will only help it grow bigger.

PS slash on budda legs then bombard it with few CT to cripple and demolish it. But why such trouble just PS slash the real hashi and proceed to seal.

You mean PS coated on Kyuubi. I could have sworn that what caused that damage to Shinsuusenju was Bijuu Dama with PS blades inside them. Not PS blades by themselves. PS on its own isn't achieving what PS with Kyuubi couldn't achieve, that makes no sense.

You are basically saying PS>PS+Kyuubi. Which is false. Buddha>PS Kyuubi>PS. So PS will get broken just like it did last time.

False on your part. PS alone is more then a deal.

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Now look at madara inside the same gem. You can barely see him.
Madara had to shrink his PS to fit kurama on its own PS is several times bigger, how many more madaras can fit into a new one?

PS is able to stand up to budda's main body just fine.

 

[Multiply]

False on your part. PS alone is more then a deal.

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Now look at madara inside the same gem. You can barely see him.
Madara had to shrink his PS to fit kurama on its own PS is several times bigger, how many more madaras can fit into a new one?

PS is able to stand up to budda's main body just fine.

Which is extremely doubt able. It's all based on perspective. From hashi's view, he looks really clear because it's right in front of him. On the other scan, he's a good distance away from us. Thus why we can't clearly see him.

 

[KidGamer65]

False on your part. PS alone is more then a deal.

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Now look at madara inside the same gem. You can barely see him.
Madara had to shrink his PS to fit kurama on its own PS is several times bigger, how many more madaras can fit into a new one?

PS is able to stand up to budda's main body just fine.

Size isn't going to increase its durability. Nor is it going to change the fact that PS plus Kyuubi already failed against the Buddha.

2 PS blades aren't achieving what PS blades combined with Bijuu Dama couldn't. I hope you aren't saying that PS=Buddha in size, when PS is about Mountain Sized, Buddha dwarfs Mountains.

You just saw Hashirama catch PS's blade with Mokuton hands in Base. Buddha can easily replicate the same feat.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Size isn't going to increase its durability. Nor is it going to change the fact that PS plus Kyuubi already failed against the Buddha.

Why wouldnt size increased the durability? You go against all logic with such statement. Its not getting stretched its getting bigger.

2 PS blades aren't achieving what PS blades combined with Bijuu Dama couldn't. I hope you aren't saying that PS=Buddha in size, when PS is about Mountain Sized, Buddha dwarfs Mountains.

Blades were merely used to prevent from catching TBBs, the real power comes with the slash that is ranged and extremely powerful which madara hasnt used on budda. Yes im saying that real PS would rival main budda body in size, its vividly clear once you look at the scans.

You just saw Hashirama catch PS's blade with Mokuton hands in Base. Buddha can easily replicate the same feat.

I didnt see hashirama catch PS slash, which isnt even possible its. You swinging a sword is nothing special and easily countered, being able to cut in line of the swing at range is OP.

Which is extremely doubt able. It's all based on perspective. From hashi's view, he looks really clear because it's right in front of him. On the other scan, he's a good distance away from us. Thus why we can't clearly see him.

LoL. What perspective? We got the same perspective here, the frontal view, no matter the distance the proportion of madara to the gem doesnt change. Dont talk me no jutsu here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why wouldnt size increased the durability? You go against all logic with such statement. Its not getting stretched its getting bigger.

Size never equals durability. Ever. The only one not using logic is you.

-Does Choji's Skin get more durable when he gets larger? No, it doesn't.

Durability has nothing to do with size, it has to do with what the material is made of and how thick it is.

Blades were merely used to prevent from catching TBBs, the real power comes with the slash that is ranged and extremely powerful which madara hasnt used on budda. Yes im saying that real PS would rival main budda body in size, its vividly clear once you look at the scans.

Which give the Bijuu Dama cutting power on top of explosive power.

12 Bijuu Dama along with PS blades in them are far superior to Madara swinging his blade with PS. Clear if you read the manga.

PS is Mountain Sized at best.

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Buddha is bigger.

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That's only counting the main body.

I didnt see hashirama catch PS slash, which isnt even possible its. You swinging a sword is nothing special and easily countered, being able to cut in line of the swing at range is OP.

-Says its not possible.

-Though it happened in the manga.

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Buddha barrages PS with Chojo Kebutsu and breaks it open. Again.