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I know, I know... You're all surprised this isn't about Genma. I just wanted to clear some things up with some of the Madara wankers, that say Edo Madara demolishes Edo Hashirama. This isn't a troll thread, so if you're here to troll, you will be reported. It's annoying, thanks.
Edo Madara:
1. Rinnegan techniques.
2. Mokuton techniques he copied from Hashirama.
3. Massive meteors.
4. Amazing nature type chakra jutsu(besides Fuuton and Raiton of course).
5. EMS(Susanoo variations included).
1. Rinnegan techniques:Edo Madara:
1. Rinnegan techniques.
2. Mokuton techniques he copied from Hashirama.
3. Massive meteors.
4. Amazing nature type chakra jutsu(besides Fuuton and Raiton of course).
5. EMS(Susanoo variations included).
Rinnegan techniques: Everyone knows Madara has rinnegan techniques, which means he has preta path, deva path, etc, etc, etc.
2. Mokuton techniques he copied from Hashirama:
He only has the Mokuton techniques he copied from Hashirama. Some might say, "But Inanimated, sharingan can't copy KKG". That's true, however, they are capable of copying the hand signs. After they have the hand signs, if they have the chakra capabilities(Doton+Suiton), they are able to use said KKG. You also might say, "But Inanimated, why didn't Kakashi just copy from Yamato". Again, that's simply answered with, he didn't have Hashi DNA. Those are the requirements for mokuton.
1. Doton + Suiton nature type
2. Hashirama's DNA
3. Knowledge on how to use the jutsu(Hand signs).(Plausible, not certain)
Thus, it can be said, if Kakashi were to obtain Hashirama's DNA, it's plausible he can utilize Mokuton. However, It's extremely rare to be compatible to Hashirama's DNA. Hence why Orochimaru did not create an extreme amount of children like Yamato. He was the only one whose body was able to sustain Shodai's cells.2. Hashirama's DNA
3. Knowledge on how to use the jutsu(Hand signs).(Plausible, not certain)
3. Massive meteors:
Madara can, "spam" meteors. These are extremely over-hyped. Most of the SA survived the two meteors. How? Simply because size of the meteors wasn't the case, it was the impact. You can tell because when it initially lands you would say, whoa, everyone's dead there. Nope, most of everyone who was under it, survived. Merely because they ran away. This is backed up by Onoki, and Gaara, who were literally under it during impact. Though, they both survived. Why, might you ask? They out ran it. Unless, you're implying Gaara blocked the meteor landing on him by throwing up some sand. Even better, Onoki survived by just standing there. Exactly... Don't try to refute manga fact with Madara Rules logic. Anyone who actually died, died because of the massive boulders flying out of it, after the impact. Thus, we come to the conclusion that, the size of the meteors wasn't actually that great, merely the impact it had on the ground. Which caused massive shock waves and an immense amount of shrapnel hitting everyone.
4. Amazing nature type chakra jutsu(besides Fuuton and Raiton of course):
According to manga, Madara has mastery on 3 nature types. Doton, Suiton, and Katon. Some might say, "But Inanimated, he has the Rinnegan". Yes yes that's true, but the rinnegan merely allows you to learn the nature types faster. It does not give you instant mastery.
5. EMS(Susanoo variations included):
EMS capabilities, which includes PS, of course, stabilized. Madara's PS easily trumps the size of both the Meteors. Not much else to say on this.
Edo Hashirama:
1. Any, and all Mokuton techniques he's ever created.
2. Sage mode Mokuton techniques.
3. Suiton or Doton ninjutsu.
4. Sage mode Suiton or Doton techniques.(Though not shown, it's obvious he has them).
5. Sealing and barrier techniques.
1. Any, and all Mokuton techniques he's ever created.
2. Sage mode Mokuton techniques.
3. Suiton or Doton ninjutsu.
4. Sage mode Suiton or Doton techniques.(Though not shown, it's obvious he has them).
5. Sealing and barrier techniques.
1. Any, and all Mokuton techniques he's ever created:
This much is obvious. If you're trying to refute this, log off tbh. That is all.
2. Sage mode Mokuton techniques:
Sage mode mokuton, likely includes extremely enhanced techniques. Proven, by the Buddha statue. Sage mode grants him more chakra, and a higher quality of chakra, thus it can be said, all of his mokuton techniques will be that much better than Madara's, regardless if he's using the same jutsu or not. Again, irrefutable manga fact.
3. Suiton or Doton ninjutsu:
Hashirama also has a mastery in Suiton and Doton techniques. We don't know if he has a mastery in any others. Though, these put him equal to Madara's 3 techniques, if not greater. Suiton = Suiton, Doton = Doton, Suiton > Katon. Again, irrefutable manga fact.
4. Sage mode Suiton or Doton techniques.(Though not shown, it's obvious he has them):
Now, Hashirama's suiton and doton techniques are worlds apart from Madara's after being used with sage mode. Why is this? Simply because, like all other sage mode techniques, it grants the user a boost in chakra, and a higher grade of chakra. Irrefutable manga fact again 
5. Sealing and barrier techniques:
Hashirama has been proven by manga to be a barrier and sealing master. He has a sealing technique that restrains the likes of the Juubi. If there was no villain and the Juubi was merely rampaging, Hashirama has just solo'd the Juubi. He managed to subdue all of the tails, and the head, thus rendering the tbb useless. Some of you can say, nope it's because he was an Edo he could do that. No, Edo tensei has a chakra cap that isn't allowed to be surpassed. Proven by troll kage. If Hashirama was able to use that sealing technique on the Juubi that subdued tails/head, in sage mode. He would be able to use it if he were living. He likely, however, would have been drained almost entirely of chakra.
He also possesses a sealing technique that utilizes Rikudo's gates. Seen when Hashirama dropped it on Juubito, however, swiftly destroyed. This isn't going to be destroyed by the likes of PS, because it subdued Juubi's tails. 1 per tail. These tails have been shown to have immense strength, and it is in my opinion that I believe Juubi's tail > PS.
He also possesses a sealing technique that utilizes Rikudo's gates. Seen when Hashirama dropped it on Juubito, however, swiftly destroyed. This isn't going to be destroyed by the likes of PS, because it subdued Juubi's tails. 1 per tail. These tails have been shown to have immense strength, and it is in my opinion that I believe Juubi's tail > PS.
If you don't want to read the reasoning behind all my statements below. Read below
(You'll feel compelled to read my reasoning anyway
)Chart on how they compare to each other based on techniques:
| Techniques: | Madara: | Hashirama: |
| 1. | Rinnegan | No real counter |
| 2. | PS(Stabilized) and Meteor | Buddha Statue |
| 3. | Nature type chakra | Easily > with SM |
| 4. | Mediocre mastery of sealing techs(Can't prove otherwise) | Extremely powerful in barrier and sealing techniques. |
| 5. | Mokuton | Sage Mode Mokuton |
Overall, the only actual reason Madara would win, is his rinnegan. He hasn't been shown to excel in sealing techniques, so I gave him a basic mastery of it. Though, in an Edo vs Edo fight, we have to determine who wins based on who seals who faster. In this case, odds are it's most likely Hashirama. His barrier and sealing techniques trump Madara's any day.
If you've read this thread, you'll understand why I say, I put Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara any day.
If you did read this entire thread, kudos to you. I put some work into this :scorps:
Thank you for reading.
