Does Sasuke Feel Bad About What He's Doing?

[Darth Uchiha]

The ones who got opressed by the system :|

So, just the jinchuriki, and the now dead Uchiha? There's little indication that the people were upset with their nations, and, with Naruto being viewed as the savior, the jinchuriki (not that there'd be any, being as Naruto opted to free the bijuu) would be honored. Besides, you think Sasuke wouldn't be oppressive? To maintain rule, he'd have to kill all who opposed him (likely everyone as he'd be the man that killed Naruto and the kage).

 

[NEO SENJU]

Let's face it sasuke is still naive,he doesn't know what right or wrong is.
Childish Lil kiddo

 

[Tennis Robot]

He doesn't feel bad about what he's doing. I think he feels bad about having to fight Naruto, since being around him again reminds Sasuke of the few times in his life that he was actually happy.

 

[BLAZE]

Maybe Orochimaru?lol

Take example of Kabuto's so called family
Will they be happy with konaha top orders for making their brothers life hell and turning him pshyco criminal

So, just the jinchuriki, and the now dead Uchiha? There's little indication that the people were upset with their nations, and, with Naruto being viewed as the savior, the jinchuriki (not that there'd be any, being as Naruto opted to free the bijuu) would be honored. Besides, you think Sasuke wouldn't be oppressive? To maintain rule, he'd have to kill all who opposed him (likely everyone as he'd be the man that killed Naruto and the kage).

i don't know the future and currently only few part of his goals.
i can't judge on 'what if' scenario

 

[V h o]

The ones who got opressed by the system :|

lol Sasuke is roughly alone on this. Don't forget that the SA does in fact exist, despite it being made so shortly. I doubt any of these oppressed people would want their kage to be killed just for something that may or may not happen.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Take example of Kabuto's so called family
Will they be happy with konaha top orders for making their brothers life hell and turning him pshyco criminal

That was Danzo's doing, not Hiruzen's, besides, they never knew what became of Kabuto.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Fair enough, until you realize, unlike the Kages in Naruto, the Nazi-leadership were corrupt to the core and we're responsible for attempted genocide! as well as a war that killed millions! beyond that! they'd basically brainwashed the German citizens. They're not comparable to the Kage. In Japan's regards, they wouldn't have surrendered, and millions more would have died. Even then, the Nazis didn't have to be killed, they'd lost, so did Mussolini, it wasn't about diplomacy, it was about justice and revenge.

How many people have the Kage ordered to be kidnapped, sacrificed, and assassinated? The truth is not many leaders with in the shinobi world are innocent. Sasukes Revolution is about getting rid of the corrupt old system and the kages represent that system by being the chief pillars of it, thus Sasuke wants to get rid of them.

And to your last sentence, you've now agreed with me. It worked; justice and revenge taken against the former leaders as well as forced democracy brought us to the longest period of relative peace, as you pointed out originally

 

[BLAZE]

lol Sasuke is roughly alone on this. Don't forget that the SA does in fact exist, despite it being made so shortly. I doubt any of these oppressed people would want their kage to be killed just for something that may or may not happen.

maybe who knows
[Joke]yes looks like Sasuke gonna die taking happy ending and ur SHIP with himself :skorm:

 

[Darth Uchiha]

How many people have the Kage ordered to be kidnapped, sacrificed, and assassinated? The truth is not many leaders with in the shinobi world are innocent. Sasukes Revolution is about getting rid of the corrupt old system and the kages represent that system by being the chief pillars of, thus Sasuke wants to get rid of them.

And to your last sentence, you've now agreed with me. It worked; justice and revenge taken against the former leaders as well as forced democracy brought us to the longest period of relative peace, as you pointed out originally

I never said it was right, I pointed out the justice and revenge part to say it was not needed. The reason I said that was to say, just because we did it, didn't make it right, we'd already won the war, that was just about revenge.

Also, what does Sasuke intern to replace the, clearly changing system with? Chaos, he'll be a tyrant? And, with the part about kidnapping, and sacrifice, and assassination, the US government is guilty of all those things too. Do you think it deserves to be destroyed? No one is completely innocent, but, holding onto past grievances is pointless and gets in the way of change, just like early in the Arc, when the SA almost killed each other over past wrongs, forgetting about the threat they were all faced with.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The problem is, times have clearly changed by now. Also, it wasn't Naruto's ideals that caused all of this, it was people's selfishness. It was Danzo's selfishness that got the Uchiha killed, it was Madara's selfishness in using Kurama that got the tailed beasts sealed away, and it was Indra's selfishness in waging war on his own brother out of jealousy that began this centuries' long feud.

Also, what is Sasuke's plan? Madara wanted everyone to be happy, but, Sasuke doesn't plan to pursue he IT, either he wants a world with no leaders (anarchy) or he wants to rule with an iron fist. He's even worse than Madara in that regard.

Also, why do I say Naruto's ideals of peace and understanding are correct? Because it worked in our world. Sure this world is far from perfect, there's still hatred, and war, but, if you truly look around, it's no where near as bad as the past, the world is becoming evermore peaceful, sure, there's missteps along the way, but nothing happens over night. And, did we need anarchy or tyranny to achieve this? No, but understanding, and kindness, we needed the world to get smaller, for us to begin to see people as equals, as other humans. That's what's happening in Naruto, that's what happened in the War Arc, hand Sasuke is standing in the way of that.

Sasuke never implied that he wanted to rule with an iron fist or have anarchy. The fact of the matter is you know Sasuke wants change, but you don't know what he wants to change it too. For all you know, Sasuke plans to have one United nation with a group of leaders ruling in a democracy. You can't see he's worse than Madara because you simply just don't have anything on Sasuke's side to compare to Madara's.

There were two world wars and hundreds of years of constant fighting and bloodshed. Not all of that was caused by Uchiha and Senju lineage. The Five Kage and Naruto are the culmination of the ideals that are ruining the world. You're focusing too much on "Sasuke can potentially ruin the world" rather than "The current system is currently ruining it, and they're not willing to change." Naruto's ideals are simply derivatives of Hashirama's, Hiruzen's and Kakashi's.

Someone above compared Sasuke to Hitler. Let me ask you this though, Hitler, who thought his ideals were right caused a lot of damage, and when people got fed up, what did they do? They warred with him, got him killed and changed his system. How do you know the current Shinobi system isn't the actual Hitler in this analogy? How do you know Sasuke isn't the metaphorical allies that will take out the genocidal Shinobi system, and that a hundred years from now, that system will be seen as evil and everyone will be glad for Sasuke's revolution? Sasuke's first step in change is taking out those who withhold the ideals that are against this change, same way Germany saw change by having Hitler taken out, the one who supported ideals against that change.

 

[V h o]

maybe who knows
[Joke]yes looks like Sasuke gonna die taking happy ending and ur SHIP with himself :skorm:

lol leave my precious NaruHina out of this.

Naruto can just remove Sasuke's seal. Hagoromo already had his brother seal, and Naruto parallels the sage. lel

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Sasuke never implied that he wanted to rule with an iron fist or have anarchy. The fact of the matter is you know Sasuke wants change, but you don't know what he wants to change it too. For all you know, Sasuke plans to have one United nation with a group of leaders ruling in a democracy. You can't see he's worse than Madara because you simply just don't have anything on Sasuke's side to compare to Madara's.

There were two world wars and hundreds of years of constant fighting and bloodshed. Not all of that was caused by Uchiha and Senju lineage. The Five Kage and Naruto are the culmination of the ideals that are ruining the world. You're focusing too much on "Sasuke can potentially ruin the world" rather than "The current system is currently ruining it, and they're not willing to change." Naruto's ideals are simply derivatives of Hashirama's, Hiruzen's and Kakashi's.

Someone above compared Sasuke to Hitler. Let me ask you this though, Hitler, who thought his ideals were right caused a lot of damage, and when people got fed up, what did they do? They warred with him, got him killed and changed his system. How do you know the current Shinobi system isn't the actual Hitler in this analogy? How do you know Sasuke isn't the metaphorical allies that will take out the genocidal Shinobi system, and that a hundred years from now, that system will be seen as evil and everyone will be glad for Sasuke's revolution? Sasuke's first step in change is taking out those who withhold the ideals that are against this change, same way Germany saw change by having Hitler taken out, the one who supported ideals against that change.

Except, no one followed Naruto's ideals. The only person that did was Hashirama, and he clearly failed to change Madara, his best friend. And, what will Sasuke replace them with? There wouldn't be anyone else to rule, and no one would stand by him once they learned of his actions during the war, especially considering his actions prior to it.

As I said before, it was Indra's ideals spreading throughout the ages that lead to the current state, it was Indra's idea of using chakra selfishly that caused the suffering that Madara went insane trying to erase. And, the thing is, after the war they could change, honestly. That would be like if Harry decided to kill the entire ministry of magic to reform the wizard world. Sure, they needed someone like Voldemort to show them the error of their ways (Madara and Obito did this for the Kage, if you insist on calling them evil), and in seeing what their way of thinking led, they changed.

Believe it or not, violence doesn't solve everything, Sasuke is wrong in that he doesn't even want to talk about things and utterly refuses to listen to anyone else. It wasn't Naruto's ideals that screwed up the world, it was Indra's, and the attempts of misguided people to put an end to Indra's world.

 

[Stxluciferr]

I never said it was right, I pointed out the justice and revenge part to say it was not needed. The reason I said that was to say, just because we did it, didn't make it right, we'd already won the war, that was just about revenge.

Also, what does Sasuke intern to replace the, clearly changing system with? Chaos, he'll be a tyrant? And, with the part about kidnapping, and sacrifice, and assassination, the US government is guilty of all those things too. Do you think it deserves to be destroyed? No one is completely innocent, but, holding onto past grievances is pointless and gets in the way of change, just like early in the Arc, when the SA almost killed each other over past wrongs, forgetting about the threat they were all faced with.

How do you know it wasn't needed? We did it, and it worked. We don't know what would have happened if we chose to go another route. What about what happened between the Uchiha and Senju? Everyone tried to let bygones be bygones and things still went south. Now BZ played a part in this but there was still natural distrust and tension hiding under the surface that was just waiting to explode. Getting rid of the things that in the past lead to said grievances can help turn the page and let everyone start anew. And I don't agree with everything the U.S government does, but the decisions it made after the Second World War are a primary reason a large part of the world lives in peace

 

[Darth Uchiha]

How do you know it wasn't needed? We did it, and it worked. We don't know what would have happened if we chose to go another route. What about what happened between the Uchiha and Senju? Everyone tried to let bygones be bygones and things still went south. Now BZ played a part in this but there was still natural distrust and tension hiding under the surface that was just waiting to explode. Getting rid of the things that in the past lead to said grievances can help turn the page and start anew. And I don't agree with everything the U.S government does, but the decisions it made after the Second World War are a primary reason a large part of the world lives in peace

We could have imprisoned them and everything would've gone the same, the Nazis were executed because they committed war crimes, not because they were still a threat. In regards to the Uchiha and the Senju thing, the Uchiha ended up where they were because Madara couldn't let to of the past and chose to wage war on Konoha, making Tobirama even more paranoid of them, remember? Then, when Obito attacked the village using Kurama, the village elders became paranoid once again, leading to their persecution, and eventually there deaths. That wasn't Hashirama or Hiruzen's faults, that was because of Obito and Madara, two Uchiha.

And, no, it can't, that'd be like making Germany either British or American territory. In fact, it was people holding on to the past that helped cause the Second World War.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Except, no one followed Naruto's ideals. The only person that did was Hashirama, and he clearly failed to change Madara, his best friend. And, what will Sasuke replace them with? There wouldn't be anyone else to rule, and no one would stand by him once they learned of his actions during the war, especially considering his actions prior to it.

As I said before, it was Indra's ideals spreading throughout the ages that lead to the current state, it was Indra's idea of using chakra selfishly that caused the suffering that Madara went insane trying to erase. And, the thing is, after the war they could change, honestly. That would be like if Harry decided to kill the entire ministry of magic to reform the wizard world. Sure, they needed someone like Voldemort to show them the error of their ways (Madara and Obito did this for the Kage, if you insist on calling them evil), and in seeing what their way of thinking led, they changed.

Believe it or not, violence doesn't solve everything, Sasuke is wrong in that he doesn't even want to talk about things and utterly refuses to listen to anyone else. It wasn't Naruto's ideals that screwed up the world, it was Indra's, and the attempts of misguided people to put an end to Indra's world.

1. Really? What has Sasuke done that the previous five Kage haven't? Sasuke has killed, shinobi kill for a living. Gaara was a mass murderer. Sasuke tried to kidnap Killer Bee, A orchastrated and/or allowed the attempted kidnapping of Hinata. Sasuke allied with Akatsuki, Oonoki has employed Akatsuki before. Sasuke left his village, so did Tsunade. Sasuke planned to attack Konoha, Gaara was an actual part of an attack on Konoha. What actions during the war, saving the alliance? Saving Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura? Helping to seal Kaguya? Naruto was held in contempt, but was a hero as soon as they found out he saved them. So if you expect the Five Kages to still be able to rule, and be accepted, but not Sasuke, then you're a hypocrite.

Violence doesn't solve everything...how was Kaguya stopped? Hidan? Kakuzu? Pein? Kabuto? Madara? Obito? They're NINJAS, not little girls. I find it hilarious you people think the lying, thieving assassins are gonna settle anything like saints.

Proof Indra's ideals caused the wars and every single problem in the world?

 

[so12p]

He is a complete narcissist. He cares about nothing but himself and what he wants.

 

[V h o]

I can't believe people actually support Sasuke's plan.... :| I have no words

 

[Darth Uchiha]

1. Really? What has Sasuke done that the previous five Kage haven't? Sasuke has killed, shinobi kill for a living. Gaara was a mass murderer. Sasuke tried to kidnap Killer Bee, A orchastrated and/or allowed the attempted kidnapping of Hinata. Sasuke allied with Akatsuki, Oonoki has employed Akatsuki before. Sasuke left his village, so did Tsunade. Sasuke planned to attack Konoha, Gaara was an actual part of an attack on Konoha. What actions during the war, saving the alliance? Saving Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura? Helping to seal Kaguya? Naruto was held in contempt, but was a hero as soon as they found out he saved them. So if you expect the Five Kages to still be able to rule, and be accepted, but not Sasuke, then you're a hypocrite.

Violence doesn't solve everything...how was Kaguya stopped? Hidan? Kakuzu? Pein? Kabuto? Madara? Obito? They're NINJAS, not little girls. I find it hilarious you people think the lying, thieving assassins are gonna settle anything like saints.

Proof Indra's ideals caused the wars and every single problem in the world?

I find it hilarious that you people truly believe the only way to solve all your problems is killing. Screw it, let's just go to war with every country that disagrees with us, let's just kill everyone that stands in our way, because that's the right thing, that's what works, right?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I find it hilarious that you people truly believe the only way to solve all your problems is killing. Screw it, let's just go to war with every country that disagrees with us, let's just kill everyone that stands in our way, because that's the right thing, that's what works, right?

Peace is often built on blood and sacrifice.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Peace is often built on blood and sacrifice.

Said Adolf Hitler.