Does Sasuke Feel Bad About What He's Doing?

[Dantee]

This isn't for kids, shoo.

My posts aren't for sissy kids. Sorry if you felt offended.

 

[Vegeto30294]

People who say dum things like this crack me up. Danzo hid in the shadows like a pusssssy. Sasuke is doing everything directly. Not to mention they completely have two different agendas.

In the end, they both try to become "Hokage", they both try to subdue the Tailed Beasts, and both want to force their "peace" upon the world.

I'm not seeing the difference here.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Yep. What makes him similar to Madara more than anything though is the fact that he favors power above everything else. And that's wrong. It's actually sad that Sasuke had a chance to hear Hashirama's story, understanding Itachi and seeing and talking to Hagoromo... And yet, the primitive mind yet again makes the wrong decision. How does he not see the fallacy in this?

Well, that's why I say, Sasuke is far worse than Obito ever was. He fully knows the history, he saw Kaguya, he heard Hashirama's words, he had Hagoromo personally tell him of his sons feud and the curse of hatred, yet he still does this. All it took for Obito was having Naruto bring him back to his senses.

 

[BLAZE]

He essentially is.

All kages and village elders are unworthy in his eyes.

Can you please justify Sasuke literally using force to make people obey him, and killing anyone who gets in his way? How is that not evil? It's not even like he has a sure-fire plan for peace.

till now its only Kages.5 of them
no i won't justify it
I will wait and see before judging him becoz current system is crapsack full of Child Soldiers

 

[Romy9]

My posts aren't for sissy kids. Sorry if you felt offended.

The thread felt offended because a troll doesn't belong in a sophisticated debate. Clarity? I hope so.

Well, that's why I say, Sasuke is far worse than Obito ever was. He fully knows the history, he saw Kaguya, he heard Hashirama's words, he had Hagoromo personally tell him of his sons feud and the curse of hatred, yet he still does this. All it took for Obito was having Naruto bring him back to his senses.

This is why I blame Indra. That's why Naruto probably can't TnJ him. Indra was the first of the Uchiha and his hatred and complex superiority were so powerful that he couldn't ever be converted by Ashura. Same thing is with Madara. I doubt he understood Hashirama at his end. I honestly don't know how Naruto will finish this.

 

[FoolzBeWeary]

Peace can't be obtained on the blood of others that's a fact. Sasuke will never be able to bring peace with his kind of mindset and views.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He essentially is.

All kages and village elders are unworthy in his eyes.

Can you please justify Sasuke literally using force to make people obey him, and killing anyone who gets in his way? How is that not evil? It's not even like he has a sure-fire plan for peace.

You mean way the previous Shinobi system went to war and constantly battled and caused bloodshed over differences?

 

[Stxluciferr]

Except we didn't, Hitler ended his own life, and, unlike any of the Kages, would have had his people killed down to the last child to keep fighting, Mussolini was killed by his own people, and Hirohito was left alive, so no. Peace was achieved because the UN was founded, making another major war costly in terms of economy, but, still, it was diplomatic, and was also done to prevent such horrific bloodshed as seen in the war.

We absolutely did. Look up the Nuremberg trials, we executed most of the German leadership and then accoupied Germany and forcefully developed a new culture from with in it, Mussolini was executed, Japan had the atomic bomb dropped on it and is still to this day accoupied by U.S forces

 

[Vegeto30294]

till now its only Kages.5 of them
no i won't justify it
I will wait and see before judging him becoz current system is crapsack full of Child Soldiers

Meanwhile Sasuke is trying to become an ~18 year old dictator.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I don't think you actually understand Sasuke's reasoning.

These ideals that Five Kage and Naruto harbor has done more harm than good. The fact that Indra has had multiple successors show that across many generations there have been people with the same ideals as Naruto, and it didn't change the world. While Naruto has his differences to them, there's no way all of those predecessors are the exact same with Naruto being the only one having one difference. There have been those that have tried what Naruto is trying and have failed. Sure, Naruto has unified the Bijuu, but I'll address that a little later. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Naruto's way has had its chance again and again and again, and what did it avail? Look at Madara, his way almost succeeded, what did you get? People living in eternal happiness, their own perfect little world. Sure, they were going to turn into White Zetsu, but that flaw wasn't from Madara's way, but Kaguya's. Take Kaguya out of the scenario and just leave Madara, you had eternal happiness and peace. Now, sure, it was accomplished in a nefarious way, but look at the end result. Madara came closest to peace than any of Ashura's transmigrants. This shows, maybe, just maybe, the Ashura transmigrants don't have it all figured out, they might be completely right after all. If the Indra transmigrant last time almost got peace, and Ashura transmigrant didn't, what does that say?

Their ideals have caused many problems as their ideals have been predominant through the world. Naruto's ideals are spreading and Hashirama once influenced the entire Shinobi system, and look where it's at. If these ideals aren't fixing anything, you need new ones. But the people with these ideals aren't going to let them be set aside to try something new because people are afraid of change and reluctant to accept they were wrong, it's basic human nature. They won't let it go willingly, so they have to be removed. What do you think the chances are that the Kages will have a diplomatic conversation and adopt the ideals of someone they see as a terrorist and criminal?

As for the Bijuu, they've been around for generations and generations and generations, and people have still ****ed up with them. Sure, Naruto has gotten it right, but does that mean everyone else will too? What happens if when Naruto dies, his ideals become less supported, less prevalent, what happens if they revert? If you give someone something and they continuously cause harm with it, will you say "Oh sure, we'll just leave it with him, he'll get it right someday and stop the damage"? No, you separate them. You eliminate the weapon. People in the NarutoVerse are too inept to coexist with the Bijuu, an they've proven that generation after generation after generation. Not everyone will change because Naruto says so, even in a fictional story, that doesn't happen(with good writing anyways).

The problem is, times have clearly changed by now. Also, it wasn't Naruto's ideals that caused all of this, it was people's selfishness. It was Danzo's selfishness that got the Uchiha killed, it was Madara's selfishness in using Kurama that got the tailed beasts sealed away, and it was Indra's selfishness in waging war on his own brother out of jealousy that began this centuries' long feud.

Also, what is Sasuke's plan? Madara wanted everyone to be happy, but, Sasuke doesn't plan to pursue he IT, either he wants a world with no leaders (anarchy) or he wants to rule with an iron fist. He's even worse than Madara in that regard.

Also, why do I say Naruto's ideals of peace and understanding are correct? Because it worked in our world. Sure this world is far from perfect, there's still hatred, and war, but, if you truly look around, it's no where near as bad as the past, the world is becoming evermore peaceful, sure, there's missteps along the way, but nothing happens over night. And, did we need anarchy or tyranny to achieve this? No, but understanding, and kindness, we needed the world to get smaller, for us to begin to see people as equals, as other humans. That's what's happening in Naruto, that's what happened in the War Arc, hand Sasuke is standing in the way of that.

 

[bencoby]

The point was we are in the longest period of relative peace, as you pointed out, not because after the war we all shook hands but because we executed their leaders and forced the people to follow the rules we set

We excuted tyrants and dictators. Then we sort deplomacy. But in this situation these leaders are neither dictators or tyrants.

 

[BLAZE]

Meanwhile Sasuke is trying to become an ~18 year old dictator.

Did he said he will be the only one in control of the whole nation or whatever :|

 

[Booker]

till now its only Kages.5 of them
no i won't justify it
I will wait and see before judging him becoz current system is crapsack full of Child Soldiers

Why would the Elders be spared? They have more authority than the Kages.

You won't justify it because you know it's wrong. At least the child soldiers volunteer for the system.

You mean way the previous Shinobi system went to war and constantly battled and caused bloodshed over differences?

And this will be different... How?

Do you honestly think that if Sasuke killed 5 kages, everybody would just be peachy-keen with it? Sasuke just rolls in and says, "Hey everyone, I do everything and you do nothing. Get in my way and I kill you."?

No. If Sasuke does this thousands or even hundreds of thousands will die in the aftermath and confusion. There is no plus side to his plan; it's just his own selfish justification for exacting revenge.

 

[Vegeto30294]

Did he said he will be the only one in control of the whole nation or whatever :|

Who's going to willingly follow him without question? Taka?

Cool, 4 ~18 year olds and Orochimaru.

• One who already attempted to destroy the village.
• One who was willingly left for dead by Sasuke.
• One who needs Sasuke to stay sane.
• One who I feel is only there because of unfortunate circumstance. I'm pretty sure Suigetsu is still only dragged along for the 7 Swords of the Mist.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

We absolutely did. Look up the Nuremberg trials, we executed most of the German leadership and then accoupied Germany and forcefully developed a new culture from with in it, Mussolini was executed, Japan had the atomic bomb dropped on it and is still to this day accoupied by U.S forces

Fair enough, until you realize, unlike the Kages in Naruto, the Nazi-leadership were corrupt to the core and we're responsible for attempted genocide! as well as a war that killed millions! beyond that! they'd basically brainwashed the German citizens. They're not comparable to the Kage. In Japan's regards, they wouldn't have surrendered, and millions more would have died. Even then, the Nazis didn't have to be killed, they'd lost, so did Mussolini, it wasn't about diplomacy, it was about justice and revenge.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Did he said he will be the only one in control of the whole nation or whatever :|

Who will lead with him? He's trying to kill Naruto right now, who will stand behind him once he does that?

 

[V h o]

Not at all, Sasuke probably has zero remorse. Killing the kages, Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, controlling the bijuu, etc. would all be done without a single tear drop; until Naruto uses lecture no jutsu.

 

[bencoby]

I don't think you actually understand Sasuke's reasoning.

These ideals that Five Kage and Naruto harbor has done more harm than good. The fact that Indra has had multiple successors show that across many generations there have been people with the same ideals as Naruto, and it didn't change the world. While Naruto has his differences to them, there's no way all of those predecessors are the exact same with Naruto being the only one having one difference. There have been those that have tried what Naruto is trying and have failed. Sure, Naruto has unified the Bijuu, but I'll address that a little later. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Naruto's way has had its chance again and again and again, and what did it avail? Look at Madara, his way almost succeeded, what did you get? People living in eternal happiness, their own perfect little world. Sure, they were going to turn into White Zetsu, but that flaw wasn't from Madara's way, but Kaguya's. Take Kaguya out of the scenario and just leave Madara, you had eternal happiness and peace. Now, sure, it was accomplished in a nefarious way, but look at the end result. Madara came closest to peace than any of Ashura's transmigrants. This shows, maybe, just maybe, the Ashura transmigrants don't have it all figured out, they might be completely right after all. If the Indra transmigrant last time almost got peace, and Ashura transmigrant didn't, what does that say?

Their ideals have caused many problems as their ideals have been predominant through the world. Naruto's ideals are spreading and Hashirama once influenced the entire Shinobi system, and look where it's at. If these ideals aren't fixing anything, you need new ones. But the people with these ideals aren't going to let them be set aside to try something new because people are afraid of change and reluctant to accept they were wrong, it's basic human nature. They won't let it go willingly, so they have to be removed. What do you think the chances are that the Kages will have a diplomatic conversation and adopt the ideals of someone they see as a terrorist and criminal?

As for the Bijuu, they've been around for generations and generations and generations, and people have still ****ed up with them. Sure, Naruto has gotten it right, but does that mean everyone else will too? What happens if when Naruto dies, his ideals become less supported, less prevalent, what happens if they revert? If you give someone something and they continuously cause harm with it, will you say "Oh sure, we'll just leave it with him, he'll get it right someday and stop the damage"? No, you separate them. You eliminate the weapon. People in the NarutoVerse are too inept to coexist with the Bijuu, an they've proven that generation after generation after generation. Not everyone will change because Naruto says so, even in a fictional story, that doesn't happen(with good writing anyways).

I strongly disagree
(1) Narutos way was never tried, how did you come up with that?
(2) Madaras way was fake, since the whole happiness was a lie.
(3) Bijus are there to maintain balance. If killing them could have brought about peace why didn't SOSP kill them?. And are you saying Saasuke is clever than SOSP?

 

[BLAZE]

Who's going to willingly follow him without question? Taka?

Cool, 4 ~18 year olds and Orochimaru.

Who will lead with him? He's trying to kill Naruto right now, who will stand behind him once he does that?

The ones who got opressed by the system :|

 

[EmperorSasuke]

The ones who got opressed by the system :|

Maybe Orochimaru?lol