Does Sasuke Feel Bad About What He's Doing?

[Romy9]

A large part of periods of peace were preceded by revolutions that brought stability and equality

Agreed, but morals and ethics accompanied by that stability were a mockery, which resulted in ill intentions born by future-to-be uprisings.

 

[Booker]

No he's not. Sasuke is sacrificing six people for the sake of millions. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

There once was a man who thought he was performing actions for the betterment of mankind. He sought a Utopia, a place of peace and perfection.

Unfortunately, his views also required certain people to be killed that he decided were plaguing the world and ruining it. So, he decided to kill them.

Eventually, many came to realize that his views for peace were flawed and they no longer wanted him to take these actions. If anybody decided to stand against him or protest, he would slaughter them.

This man's name was Hitler and he was considered by most to be evil.

This is exactly what Sasuke is doing. Nobody wants him to rule jacksh*t, he's projecting his views upon people with force, and he's killing or maiming anyone that opposes him. That's pretty damn evil.

 

[Stxluciferr]

The longest period of relative piece (few major wars, at least for the west) was achieved through diplomacy following the Second World War.

Before diplomacy came bloodshed, we didn't sit at a table with Hitler an convince him he was wrong. And that so called diplomacy afterwards only worked because we accoupied the countries we were "negotiating" with

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I think he did try to understand him. Kishimoto drew his face in almost every page a panel when Hashirama, Madara, Naruto had a comment. He tried it, but he's too stubborn.

Honestly, for everyone saying that "Oh, this will bring true peace", do they know what would happen to the world with no more leaders? The chaos that would ensue? Besides, not all peace is achieved through revolution, and revolution is often not needed, just look at the world since WWII, before it, European nations went to war about once a decade, however, there hasn't been a major war since. Sasuke could've reached a diplomatic solution with the Kages if he actually tried to, but instead, he chose to do exactly what his clan got annihilated for in the first place. Guess there really are no good Uchiha...other than what, Itachi, Shisui, and Obito (from a certain point of view).

 

[BLAZE]

There once was a man who thought he was performing actions for the betterment of mankind. He sought a Utopia, a place of peace and perfection.

Unfortunately, his views also required certain people to be killed that he decided were plaguing the world and ruining it. So, he decided to kill them.

Eventually, many came to realize that his views for peace were flawed and they no longer wanted him to take these actions. If anybody decided to stand against him or protest, he would slaughter them.

This man's name was Hitler and he was considered by most to be evil.

This is exactly what Sasuke is doing. Nobody wants him to rule jacksh*t, he's projecting his views upon people with force, and he's killing or maiming anyone that opposes him. That's pretty damn evil.

Sasuke isn't determining Race superiority bruh

 

[Dantee]

He's essentially Danzo 2.0, but at least this time all his eye power-ups are in his head along with his ego.

People who say dum things like this crack me up. Danzo hid in the shadows like a pusssssy. Sasuke is doing everything directly. Not to mention they completely have two different agendas.

 

[EmperorSasuke]

Until you realize that every country would now have a massive power-vacuum, most likely resulting in utter chaos, creating a world as bad as the one Hashirama and Madara grew up in. Then you also realize that Sasuke could have probably gotten what he wanted diplomatically...

Sasuke will fill that power-vacuum, and Chibaku Tensei anyone who creates chaos.

 

[Romy9]

Honestly, for everyone saying that "Oh, this will bring true peace", do they know what would happen to the world with no more leaders? The chaos that would ensue? Besides, not all peace is achieved through revolution, and revolution is often not needed, just look at the world since WWII, before it, European nations went to war about once a decade, however, there hasn't been a major war since. Sasuke could've reached a diplomatic solution with the Kages if he actually tried to, but instead, he chose to do exactly what his clan got annihilated for in the first place. Guess there really are no good Uchiha...other than what, Itachi, Shisui, and Obito (from a certain point of view).

Yeah. The Uchiha is one big irony, if you look at the bigger picture. To achieve true peace, a compromise is very much needed. Ruling through superiority is the definition of creating a ruler/slave system. Only people who don't have a proper system of value in their head built would think that Sasuke's actions are justifiable.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Before diplomacy came bloodshed, we didn't sit at a table with Hitler an convince him he was wrong. And that so called diplomacy afterwards only worked because we accoupied the countries we were "negotiating" with

Could the War Arc not count as the bloodshed before the peace? It was shown that the nations could all fight side by side, and the Kages interaction showed that there could be peace between them. Besides which, it was peace nonetheless. Honestly, what do you think Sasuke's plan is? Either he rules the world, or there is total chaos. If he rules the world, he would have to kill all who opposed him. If there was total chaos, the world would be just like the one Hashirama and Madara grew up in. Based on his these being his only two options, if anything, he's worse than Madara, while Madara tried to rule through IT, he also tried to ensure everyone would be happy, Sasuke doesn't even care about that.

 

[Romy9]

People who say dum things like this crack me up. Danzo hid in the shadows like a pusssssy. Sasuke is doing everything directly. Not to mention they completely have two different agendas.

He didn't mean it like you think he meant it. This discussion is a bit more mature than "Lord Sasuke solos" type of sh*t.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Sasuke isn't determining Race superiority bruh

The point was that using violence to solve all issues is wrong, even if you've convinced yourself it's for everyone's good. Violence is necessary, sometimes, but when diplomacy fails, Sasuke didn't even try for diplomacy, besides, Sasuke has no plan that could lead to the betterment of all.

 

[Dantee]

He didn't mean it like you think he meant it. This discussion is a bit more mature than "Lord Sasuke solos" type of sh*t.

Uhmm I know exactly how he meant it but he's still wrong. Sasuke solos.

 

[Romy9]

Uhmm I know exactly how he meant it but he's still wrong. Sasuke solos.

This isn't for kids, shoo.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Yeah. The Uchiha is one big irony, if you look at the bigger picture. To achieve true peace, a compromise is very much needed. Ruling through superiority is the definition of creating a ruler/slave system. Only people who don't have a proper system of value in their head built would think that Sasuke's actions are justifiable.

Exactly, like I told the other user, either Sasuke rules with an iron fist, or there's simply anarchy, he's even worse than Madara. Besides, despite what everyone's saying, at least the Kages were good to their own people, Sasuke would be a tyrant.

 

[Booker]

Sasuke isn't determining Race superiority bruh

He essentially is.

All kages and village elders are unworthy in his eyes.

Can you please justify Sasuke literally using force to make people obey him, and killing anyone who gets in his way? How is that not evil? It's not even like he has a sure-fire plan for peace.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Uhmm I know exactly how he meant it but he's still wrong. Sasuke solos.

Haha, thinking sure is hard, ain't it?

 

[Stxluciferr]

Could the War Arc not count as the bloodshed before the peace? It was shown that the nations could all fight side by side, and the Kages interaction showed that there could be peace between them. Besides which, it was peace nonetheless. Honestly, what do you think Sasuke's plan is? Either he rules the world, or there is total chaos. If he rules the world, he would have to kill all who opposed him. If there was total chaos, the world would be just like the one Hashirama and Madara grew up in. Based on his these being his only two options, if anything, he's worse than Madara, while Madara tried to rule through IT, he also tried to ensure everyone would be happy, Sasuke doesn't even care about that.

The point was we are in the longest period of relative peace, as you pointed out, not because after the war we all shook hands but because we executed their leaders and forced the people to follow the rules we set

 

[Romy9]

Exactly, like I told the other user, either Sasuke rules with an iron fist, or there's simply anarchy, he's even worse than Madara. Besides, despite what everyone's saying, at least the Kages were good to their own people, Sasuke would be a tyrant.

Yep. What makes him similar to Madara more than anything though is the fact that he favors power above everything else. And that's wrong. It's actually sad that Sasuke had a chance to hear Hashirama's story, understanding Itachi and seeing and talking to Hagoromo... And yet, the primitive mind yet again makes the wrong decision. How does he not see the fallacy in this?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

The point was we are in the longest period of relative peace, as you pointed out, not because after the war we all shook hands but because we executed their leaders and forced the people to follow the rules we set

Except we didn't, Hitler ended his own life, and, unlike any of the Kages, would have had his people killed down to the last child to keep fighting, Mussolini was killed by his own people, and Hirohito was left alive, so no. Peace was achieved because the UN was founded, making another major war costly in terms of economy, but, still, it was diplomatic, and was also done to prevent such horrific bloodshed as seen in the war.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Until you realize that every country would now have a massive power-vacuum, most likely resulting in utter chaos, creating a world as bad as the one Hashirama and Madara grew up in. Then you also realize that Sasuke could have probably gotten what he wanted diplomatically...

I don't think you actually understand Sasuke's reasoning.

These ideals that Five Kage and Naruto harbor has done more harm than good. The fact that Indra has had multiple successors show that across many generations there have been people with the same ideals as Naruto, and it didn't change the world. While Naruto has his differences to them, there's no way all of those predecessors are the exact same with Naruto being the only one having one difference. There have been those that have tried what Naruto is trying and have failed. Sure, Naruto has unified the Bijuu, but I'll address that a little later. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Naruto's way has had its chance again and again and again, and what did it avail? Look at Madara, his way almost succeeded, what did you get? People living in eternal happiness, their own perfect little world. Sure, they were going to turn into White Zetsu, but that flaw wasn't from Madara's way, but Kaguya's. Take Kaguya out of the scenario and just leave Madara, you had eternal happiness and peace. Now, sure, it was accomplished in a nefarious way, but look at the end result. Madara came closest to peace than any of Ashura's transmigrants. This shows, maybe, just maybe, the Ashura transmigrants don't have it all figured out, they might be completely right after all. If the Indra transmigrant last time almost got peace, and Ashura transmigrant didn't, what does that say?

Their ideals have caused many problems as their ideals have been predominant through the world. Naruto's ideals are spreading and Hashirama once influenced the entire Shinobi system, and look where it's at. If these ideals aren't fixing anything, you need new ones. But the people with these ideals aren't going to let them be set aside to try something new because people are afraid of change and reluctant to accept they were wrong, it's basic human nature. They won't let it go willingly, so they have to be removed. What do you think the chances are that the Kages will have a diplomatic conversation and adopt the ideals of someone they see as a terrorist and criminal?

As for the Bijuu, they've been around for generations and generations and generations, and people have still ****ed up with them. Sure, Naruto has gotten it right, but does that mean everyone else will too? What happens if when Naruto dies, his ideals become less supported, less prevalent, what happens if they revert? If you give someone something and they continuously cause harm with it, will you say "Oh sure, we'll just leave it with him, he'll get it right someday and stop the damage"? No, you separate them. You eliminate the weapon. People in the NarutoVerse are too inept to coexist with the Bijuu, an they've proven that generation after generation after generation. Not everyone will change because Naruto says so, even in a fictional story, that doesn't happen(with good writing anyways).