Do you believe in GOD

[Renegade87]

no...but thats the whole reason its called beliefs...you can't see gravity yet you believe it exists, you can see the wind, yet you believe it exists, you can't see the microorganisms(without help) yet you believe it exists. thats the basis of any religion(except scientology, theres is a book and scientology isn't a religion but a mockery of all religions). you believe that there is a force that you cant see. and i know you are going to say that all those things i have stated can be proved with science, but what about before the age of modern science?

i know you said not to reply but i just had to,

you say,
"you can see the wind, yet you believe it exists"
that's true, but i can feel it and see the effects caused by it.

"you can't see the microorganisms(without help) yet you believe it exists"

sorry bro but that's a weak point, even though we do need help we can still see them, kinda helps the credibility allong

like Kiwii said, people have believed in gods throughout history, mainly to explain thing that they couldnt understand, we had a god for the sun, ocean, fire, lighting, wind, love, war and tons more.
so just because we cant understand how the universe got into beiing doesnt justify the notion of a omnipotent "person" with some master plan putting it all into place.

another thing that bothers me about christianity specificly is the bible,
yes that's right i said it!
the books in the bible were writtin over the course of more then a thousend years.
and being translated by the church through out the dark ages, to their own liking off course.
now i dont know if you know this but back in those days churches werent the most positve bunch.
making people believe they will go to hell if they dont believe, having major if not all infuences with the leaders of that time, ordering crusades, sending little children from paris to jerusalem on foot, just to spread this so called faith?

and on another more specific note.
Leviticus,
its a book in the bible that actually has rules on how to deal with your slaves if they do something wrong,
as if it is ok to even have them at all.
it even justfies murder in some cases.
this further shows that the bible is a book of those times and is best left there.

the middle eastern conflict is a modern day and maybe the best example on how religion has been the main cause of death through out history. israel has been occupying palastina for over 40 years now, and for what??
just because their fate states it is there land??

as you can see i realy dislike religions,
they are the worst kind of human arrogance, claiming that they have all the awnsers, while the human brain just doesnt have the the capacity to fully understand the scale of the universe.

but even though i dislike religions, doesnt mean i dont think there can be some devine being or "force".
like i said the universe is just to big for us to understand, so maybe there is something behind it, maybe there isnt, the point is that we just dont know.

 

[Mello]

I personally don't believe in God...
My reasoning is because there are so many different religions out there, do you know which is the right one? And is there really eternal happiness after we die? Is there such a thing as reincarnation?

It's just so many other possibilities...Therefore I remain Agnostic - which mean I don't believe in a certain god but I do not deny they exist either.

 

[Faceless]

I wanted to make a similar thread like this, but I knew that a lot of flaming would be done so I didn't bother =/

In my opinion, I believe that God is in fact, REAL, because I don't think we can go through this life of sin and I truly believe that God helps us through everyday of our life.

Imagine a Harley Davidson Motorcycle, for those motor-freaks out there, you'd find it rather pleasing to gaze upon it's metal work, it's smooth, colorful paint and as well as his complex engines. Obviously someone went through hard work making this motorcycle, you'd agree with me that something as complicated as making as a motorcycle should be done by a professional motorcycle mechanic, correct?

Now imagine one of the Pyramids of Giza, notice it's grandeur in both shape and height. It was built by blocks heavier than five elephants put together. And it took a long time for it to be made. Obviously, someone made this as well.

If you look at the Sun's majestic shine, into the void of the oceans, into the great mountains of the Himalayas, obviously something as complicated as these things should have a maker as well. Creation is the best evidence that there is a God.

 

[j mafia13]

i believe in god.......god and jesus all day....
thats all i'll say.....

 

[King Kazma]

i believe in god and yes there maybe lots of different religion out there but at the end of the day we all believe that god can protect us and keep us safe ..

 

[HiddenShadowNinja]

I believe in God.
Reason-Many things in my life had led me to believe that everything happens for a reason, some good can come out of anything and everything that happens, and its all part of God's plan for the world.

But in the end, that's just it. It's about what you believe, it's about faith. I could come back to the evolution theory with "Ok, then where did that meteor with the DNA or w/e come from?" Or the alien thing with "Then where did the aliens come from?" But you'd just ask where God came from and I'd reply that he just always was....which you would take as BS. So it all what you choose to believe.

If nothing else I'd rather believe in God and be safe, then defy him and be wrong

 

[Elias]

I'm an Atheist, and i'm damn proud of it.

 

[Skye Kaguya]

yes... yes i do...

 

[Luke fon Fabre]

I'm an Atheist, and i'm damn proud of it.

Congrats



I believe in God ^^...

 

[Shodaime]

f*CK ALL YA HATERS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!


~Love, with lots and LOTS of shagging~

~ Vengeance~

 

[Elias]

f*CK ALL YA HATERS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!1

Let the indoctrination begin in 3...2... and go!

 

[Amon]

I've been an atheist since I was fourteen.

 

[HiddenShadowNinja]

f*CK ALL YA HATERS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow....sorry....but its people like you and comments like that what give religious people a bad name. It's not about judging people who don't believe, it's about loving them even though they don't (treat them how you'd want to be treated). Yelling at people and demanding they believe is the complete opposite of what those of us who believe in God should do.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" As a Christian, that's the best thing you can do. If you do that, you hope that others get intrigued by your kind-ness and generousity, and if they want to know more, you tell them. You need to let them come to you when they're ready, otherwise your just pushing them away.

 

[Ragnaroc]

f*CK ALL YA HATERS WHO DONT BELIEVE IN GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

0_0 and thats exactly why I don't like these types of threads..all it takes is one person to get upset and the flaming begins

 

[Elias]

0_0 and thats exactly why I don't like these types of threads..all it takes is one person to get upset and the flaming begins

Yup, that's the effect of tards that learn how to type.

:/

 

[Ragnaroc]

Wow....sorry....but its people like you and comments like that what give religious people a bad name. It's not about judging people who don't believe, it's about loving them even though they don't (treat them how you'd want to be treated). Yelling at people and demanding they believe is the complete opposite of what those of us who believe in God should do.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" As a Christian, that's the best thing you can do. If you do that, you hope that others get intrigued by your kind-ness and generousity, and if they want to know more, you tell them. You need to let them come to you when they're ready, otherwise your just pushing them away.

just to add to what you were saying...Christianity has a lot to make up for...some of the worlds worst atrocities have been committed in the name of God so comments like the one by vengeance only spread the distrust and dislike of religion as a whole. which is why i applaud what you said hidden ninja

Yup, that's the effect of tards that learn how to type.

:/

unfortunantly..but lets try to get back on topic since this thread is about whether you believe if God or not

 

[Shodaime]

Wow....sorry....but its people like you and comments like that what give religious people a bad name. It's not about judging people who don't believe, it's about loving them even though they don't (treat them how you'd want to be treated). Yelling at people and demanding they believe is the complete opposite of what those of us who believe in God should do.

"Love your neighbor as yourself" As a Christian, that's the best thing you can do. If you do that, you hope that others get intrigued by your kind-ness and generousity, and if they want to know more, you tell them. You need to let them come to you when they're ready, otherwise your just pushing them away.

From your Attacking stance, I can only conclude that you are a person filled with anger and resentment toward people who express views about religion that you don't like. This makes me doubt whether you are truly able to debate at all.

Answering your "rebuttal" :

a) The idea that God exists to watch over you, ant farms etc, Those are your distortions about what God does or is all about.

I obviously don't see God the way that you think I do.

b) In my view, Existence in the afterlife is merely a continuation of existence on this plane, therefore our species doesn't end when this universe ends, as Science tells us that it will some day.

We will have our memories and history intact. This then will give meaning to having existed, and to all our sweat and tears, our loves and hopes. Then It doesn't all just disappear into a black hole.

c) Federal law is not a good justification by itself alone.

Federal law once made it okay to own slaves, deny voting rights to blacks and women, and to Mass Murder Native Americans. In the wrong circumstances Federal law can become the enemy of good.

Also ASCE do not limit your thinking to Canada and America. In some countries, their Federal laws prevent women from driving a car (Saudi Arabia).

I keep looking at things in an ultimate/universal context, and you keep missing the point.

My main point then is that individuals act not because of the law, but because of their own inner motivation. If laws worked, then there would be no crime. Think about it, I am safe from my neighbour not because there are laws saying he should not harm me, but because he wishes not to harm me. If he chose to harm me, the law may or may not punish him after the fact (after the deed is done).

d) Logic. Logic varies from person to person. There are Thousands of logical murderers for instance.

Also, possessing advanced minds didn't stop the Third Reich (Adolf Hitler etc) from murdering 6 million Jews, or The Stalinist purges in Russia, or the Rwandan Holocaust, etc etc.

Obviously Logic and advanced minds haven't done the job, have they? So my question still stands. If people are seen as merely biological machines, without a soul of eternal value, why give a rip. Those who commit mass murder obviously didn't think their victims had value.

e) My Having an eternal soul hasn't stopped me from catering to the present, so your statement is patently false. I took my sick mother into my house, bathed her, fed her, loved her until the day she passed on in my house.

Paradoxically too many people are thinking only of the present, which is what you appear to advocate. The end result is extreme selfishness and evil with no thought for consequences.

I think I have adequately rebutted your rebuttal. I would suggest that we make all further conversations LOGICAL and non-personal.

~Love, with lots and LOTS of shagging~

~ Vengeance~

 

[Elias]

just to add to what you were saying...Christianity has a lot to make up for...some of the worlds worst atrocities have been committed in the name of God so comments like the one by vengeance only spread the distrust and dislike of religion as a whole. which is why i applaud what you said hidden ninja



unfortunately..but lets try to get back on topic since this thread is about whether you believe if God or not

Not just that, but also when they try to claim that forms of media (and Atheism) is a danger to our youth, when a book about a man getting beaten, stabbed, whipped, then crucified isn't?

 

[Elias]

From your Attacking stance, I can only conclude that you are a person filled with anger and resentment toward people who express views about religion that you don't like. This makes me doubt whether you are truly able to debate at all.

Answering your "rebuttal" :

a) The idea that God exists to watch over you, ant farms etc, Those are your distortions about what God does or is all about.

I obviously don't see God the way that you think I do.

b) In my view, Existence in the afterlife is merely a continuation of existence on this plane, therefore our species doesn't end when this universe ends, as Science tells us that it will some day.

We will have our memories and history intact. This then will give meaning to having existed, and to all our sweat and tears, our loves and hopes. Then It doesn't all just disappear into a black hole.

c) Federal law is not a good justification by itself alone.

Federal law once made it okay to own slaves, deny voting rights to blacks and women, and to Mass Murder Native Americans. In the wrong circumstances Federal law can become the enemy of good.

Also ASCE do not limit your thinking to Canada and America. In some countries, their Federal laws prevent women from driving a car (Saudi Arabia).

I keep looking at things in an ultimate/universal context, and you keep missing the point.

My main point then is that individuals act not because of the law, but because of their own inner motivation. If laws worked, then there would be no crime. Think about it, I am safe from my neighbour not because there are laws saying he should not harm me, but because he wishes not to harm me. If he chose to harm me, the law may or may not punish him after the fact (after the deed is done).

d) Logic. Logic varies from person to person. There are Thousands of logical murderers for instance.

Also, possessing advanced minds didn't stop the Third Reich (Adolf Hitler etc) from murdering 6 million Jews, or The Stalinist purges in Russia, or the Rwandan Holocaust, etc etc.

Obviously Logic and advanced minds haven't done the job, have they? So my question still stands. If people are seen as merely biological machines, without a soul of eternal value, why give a rip. Those who commit mass murder obviously didn't think their victims had value.

e) My Having an eternal soul hasn't stopped me from catering to the present, so your statement is patently false. I took my sick mother into my house, bathed her, fed her, loved her until the day she passed on in my house.

Paradoxically too many people are thinking only of the present, which is what you appear to advocate. The end result is extreme selfishness and evil with no thought for consequences.

I think I have adequately rebutted your rebuttal. I would suggest that we make all further conversations LOGICAL and non-personal.

~Love, with lots and LOTS of shagging~

~ Vengeance~

Coming from the person that just said, "F*ck yall haters that dont believe in god!!!"

ROFLMFAO!!!

 

[Shodaime]

We cannot prove God, BUT we cannot disprove God either. I merely postulated that a Universe without God, would lack in meaning.

The rest is up to the individual. I am very comfortable with the idea that others may not see things as I do. I hope we can all continue to be friends and be friendly toward one another, in spite of differing views.

~Love, with lots and LOTS of shagging~

~ Vengeance~