The only way the blade is going to cut his fingers off i
s if the blade exerts force towards his fingers, which it is not. He is the one exerting force on the blade and you assuming that the strength of his grip is enough to lob his fingers off is based nothing. Same goes with the Raiton Blade example. The only way a blade will ever actually sever something is if it is swung. Period. Your Raiton Blade example is terrible because it being swung with little force and someone touching Kusanagi without it being swung are two completely different things. And who told you what force isn't "that necessary" at high levels of penetrative power? How is that Shuriken example any type of proof? C threw a Shuriken from a distance w/ Raiton enhancing it and cut through B's sword. That's regular force unless you are going to claim he threw the Shuriken so lightly that there was barely any force behind it.
And really now? Did I ask the bold? Is it relevant? No and no. Kusanagi, a blade, can damage Enma in a form much more durable than his monkey form thus someone with said blade easily saws through any part of his body with zero resistance. Underlined doesn't make sense either. Kusanagi was moving forward to kill Hiruzen before RDS could be completed. Not sideways thus Enma was able to catch it and only get cuts as Kusanagi wasn't moving in a motion that'd actually sever his hand.
Lmao this guy is really trying to argue that the Kusanagi can't cut off Enma's
fingers despite being able to scratch his diamond form. Man what? I hope you read this, then re-read this part of your post and realize how little sense everything you just said makes.
Her being cut by Kusanagi across the chest doesn't mean that C1 can blow off her limbs without a direct hit. :lol
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This is getting boring so I'm gonna shorten the replies. Bold makes no sense. If I punch a brick wall the brick wall will exert the same amount of force right back to my hand, which is why my hand would break. Squeezing on a sharp blade in turn has the sharp blade exert an equal force back at you. The fact he used so much force with his hand as to stop the blade [all his power was obviously used from the get-go, he didn't have the time to gauge how much power he would need to use to stop it] and still didn't have his fingers bisected by something that's supposed to be as sharp as the Kusanagi says it all really. It is the equivalent of putting your hand with your palm facing up and pressing with the blade against your fingers. That is what is technically happening in that scan. The force that would push down on your hand is Enma's grip strength. Some extremely trained humans IRL have 200 pound grip strength, so I can only imagine Enma's grip. The fact his hand wasn't cut through is laughable. It doesn't need to be swung, that's not how shit works buddy. Kusanagi should've chopped his fingers like a kitchen knife chops an onion. If Sandame Raikage tried to touch metal while 1 finger Nukite was activated he'd probably just go through it like it wasn't even there. Even if he was moving his hand as slowly as he could from a stand-still position. My point with the Shuriken is to show you that no impact was made with metal, it cut cleanly it like it was butter. Force has little to do with it given the lack of impact. You're thinking of it in a hammer and nail point of view when the reality is that NV has its own physics and the penetrative powers of some stuff are different to how our world works.
Time for you to learn to read. If Kusanagi is swung it would obviously saw off his fingers because of the force behind it, never disputed that. My point is, it's supposed to be able to cut his fingers cleanly with
little force, and him gripping it with a lot of grip power is a decently large force. Meaning Kusanagi would have to be swung with quite some power to cut off his fingers, aka it's not THAT penetrative. And when did Enma's diamond form get scratched? As far as I know he said he'll be sore. That doesn't mean he was physically scratched.
V2 Killer B is irrelevant. The force from his lariat against Kisame was taken by Samehada and the rest by Kisame's body hence the damage, so no shit the environment wouldn't be damaged as there is no force left over to do so. Same thing happened to Sasuke. Not to mention he flew upwards and then crashed into the ground.
This rebuttal is beyond retarded. That's like saying if you put a pillow (with thick steel in its centre) in front of a car, and have another car crash the pillow which is on the car, then the car takes a small factor of the damage. Makes no sense whatsoever. The momentum is transferred to the car and it gets a massive amount of damage regardless of the pillow lessening it. A Samehada reduced impact from V2 Bee is still far beyond the impact Base Bee can cause. And anyway, the majority of the impact was on a small portion of Samehada
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, inflicted by the closed mouth of the skull instead of Bee's entire arm. Therefor, far more of the impact would be transferred by Samehada to Kisame. Makes sense seeing how someone of his durability calibre couldn't be damaged by a lack of 'left over force' from a Lariat when he survived
some form of Hirudora. Sure, he's obviously not V3 Susano durability. But you can't act like him surviving a 7th Gate (weakened) Gai technique didn't happen - it's still canon.
Baseless claim that he was thrown up, that only happened against Sasuke. No such thing was shown against Kisame so stop fabricating manga facts.
If you want to cite angle difference as some sort of rebuttal then you are going to have to explain exactly why this makes sense as a rebuttal in the first place. Not like it matters because Tsunade wasn't shot down in a straight line.
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and where did she hit a rock?
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And of course your Kakashi point is terrible too because whatever Kakuzu's kick did to the environment is unnoticeable while it is for Tsunade and B vs. Ay. Lmao. The entirety of nonsense in the bold is you making a twisted argument that is supposed to mirror my own when in reality it doesn't because you conveniently decided to forget that the power and scale of the damage is what matters here.
Didn't realise Tsunade was a diagonal angle. But doesn't really mater. There are many situations that debunk Tsunade's 'feat', with the V2 Bee being the obvious refutation of it. KN2 Naruto also put his claws into Oro's face the impact of that sent him through the forest
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. Surely if there was a rock for Oro to crash in, the damage to the environment would've been comparable, if not superior to Tsunade's. That doesn't change the fact that he'd get his hand cut off by a kunai, nor does it change the fact that he'd lose a limb to a C1 from point blank.
Using the Naruto example alone weakens your point as your original claim was "Byakugan and Sharingan can't visually perceive Deidara's substitution". :lol Naruto doesn't have either and no other example of yours is anywhere close to being legit. And how in the world does a clone being surprised that he was found mean that it was the original? Lmao. He stated he couldn't get away, and then went to blow himself up. No reason why the original would say to himself "I can't get away" only to escape. No reason why a clone he swapped with would say to himself "I can't get away" when the point isn't to get away. No one knows when exactly Deidara swapped with a clone so saying he did so faster than Neji can visually perceive is nonsense.
HOLY SHIT. Can you start fuking reading the stuff I say instead of blatantly ignoring them and making yourself look stupider? I literally just gave you the VIZ scan which SHITS on the
bold. Also, we do know he was there if we look at this VIZ [
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] (you're supposed to click it). He wouldn't have known that his clone was foiled unless he was in the area. He wouldn't have attributed him getting away to its presence.
Decoy: someone or something used to draw attention away from another
Also, Deidara was shown to be looking from the bushes AS THE ORIGINAL [
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]. So why would we be seeing a clone in the bushes talking to himself shortly after [
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]. You can clearly see he's surprised he's been found the moment he goes out of the bushes to leave, when he notices he was spotted by Neji (who would've noticed the "original" who's in the area as well, but he didn't). Anyways, the point is he was saying
he can't outrun them (VIZ). Hence, getting away with a substitution is the logical solution. He never said he can't get away, if he did say that you would've been right. But he
didn't. Also, Naruto couldn't see him Kamawari and that's a FACT. So stop ignoring that, because Tsunade does not have a Sharingan. She won't be seeing any better than KN0 Naruto. You can call this nonsense all you want, until you make a valid counter-argument it's not remotely relevant.
No, Kakashi was able to dive underground that quickly. How is that a feat for Deidara? How does being faster than Fireball Jutsu mean that Tsunade won't be able to see him dive underground? How does this change the fact that he'll leave a hole behind like Kakashi did in the scan you just posted? When will you stop using Genjutsu feats to prove your point? Genjutsu is not real life. In Genjutsu Deidara's explosive tactics are fast enough to catch Itachi
lol ) in real life no such thing happened. Not to mention there is clearly a delay in Itachi reaching the ground and Itachi being "caught"
-Deidara throws bomb.
-Deidara drops centipede.
-Itachi dodges.
-Bomb explodes.
-Itachi lands.
-Then Itachi gets caught after a second or two of delay.
Actually, I've realised Deidara's explosions leave smoke-screens if they explode and make contact with the ground. Proofs [
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]. Genjutsu isn't real life, true. However, if Deidara's Centipede reached its location faster than it should have (he obviously knows how fast it is), he would've know he's in Genjutsu as it would not make any sense otherwise. Every feat he doesn't question in Genjutsu is attributable to his own feats unless it's questioned by him. His ignorance of Itachi's speed means nothing at all for your point. Would only support your point if he priorly knew about exactly how fast Itachi was, which again, he didn't.
That is obviously not the same as "it burrowed underground and behind Itachi by the time the explosion finished". :lol The vision blocking qualities of his explosions have been addressed. Lmao and the bold is irrelevant. Your strategy has him cloaking himself so he can make a clone and then dive underground. In that example he was actually trying to get away from the explosion, not using it to mask him making a clone and going underground.
Fight starts:
-He tries what he did against Itachi.
-Tsunade dodges C1.
-Centipede burrows underground.
-She hears it approach her as it comes from the ground.
-She jumps towards Deidara pounds the ground and obliterates him.
First of all, nothing says Tsunade can hear heart rate so I have no idea what you're on about. In the VIZ she says his heart rate is erratic [
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. Very clear since she only started hearing 'thump' after putting her ear on his chest. So much for hearing what's beneath her
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. Your entire point goes into the trash - the fight ends with my proposed strategy. You should remember your points before trying to address mine. You're clearly confused. The C1 being thrown in his near proximity was addressing your "Tsunade circles around him" strategy. Deidara created a large distance between him and Sasuke doing this
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-For the smoke to hide HIS movements he needs to be away from the explosion. That's a fact.
-The farther the explosion, the less effective whatever little smoke his explosion produces (which isn't much looking at the scans)
Thus if Tsunade circles around his bombs she'll see his movements. There is no grasping at straws going on here, at least not on my part. :lol He can't properly hide his movements thus Tsunade will see him go underground, hit the ground, then he dies along with his clone.
Yes. Fight starts at 10 meters. Small explosion into centipede gg. Once you prove why it doesn't work, we can go into Deidara using a small explosion to re-establish a 10 meter distance between them like he did against Sasuke. Also, Tsunade isn't starting off with Byakugo (and has no reason to) so her initial punch is certainly
not killing him.
"Circles around his bombs" since when is she faster than Hebi Sasuke? Get out of here. And no, even if Tsunade knows Deidara is underground, she won't be approaching a clone that's about to explode itself unless she wants to die in the epicentre of a massive explosion (would require slight prep but no reason Tsunade would be able to stop this prep). Anyways, you're clearly underestimating Hiding like a Mole
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. It can allow Deidara to travel a large distance before she even realises where he is post-explosion (she can't sniff him out either).
Your point? Lmao. If he hears the sound of something creeping up behind why in the actual hell would she just stand there and not make any effort to check it out? Just stop man, the only one grasping at straws here now is you. "Oh, Tsunade will hear something behind her but because she doesn't know what it is she won't check it out even though the point would be to check it out since she doesn't know what it is".
Dafuq? Stop mentioning Kabuto. Nobody mentioned him here so why you are still going on about that baffles me. Everything about Gaara's Sand and how reaction speed is irrelevant are pointless things to bring up when Tsunade's sense of hearing lets her know something is creeping up from behind or underground. Thus it is not a surprise anymore, thus you do not have a point.
Too bad she won't hear anything buddy, those fanfic feats are nothing but that - fanfic. She won't expect anything and it'll be why she loses a leg.
No, it doesn't. Already shit on this just like I shit on the Kabuto point. Keep grasping buddy.
No, you didn't give me a speed feat because that is Genjutsu where Deidara is being lead to believe that he caught Itachi when in reality he only caught himself. And no, sound as a sensing method isn't useless because Deidara won't have explosions going off 24/7, especially since your plan has him swapping out with a clone and then attacking with the centipede? Where is the sound drowning explosion in that scenario?
Addressed. And what? I've clearly outlined my plan, you acting like you're ignorant of it is proof your argument is barely holding. Quote from my last post: " Fight starts ---- 1. Same strategy he used vs Itachi. 2. Tsunade is ignorant to centipede given it burrowed during the timeframe of the explosion. Centipede latches onto her leg. 3. Tsunade says bye bye to her leg." Where did you see a Bunshin used? Clone only happens as a defensive strategy if Centipede plan fails,
which it won't.
And you making this take place at the very start of the fight only makes it even less plausible than before.
1. I never said anything about "she already would've beaten a clone". I said her guard would be up because once the clone is killed she knows that it wasn't the original.
2. The starting distance is 10 meters.
She wins unless someone can put up an argument that isn't wrong.
Means nothing. You acting like I didn't make my strategy clear is hilarious though.
