[VS] Deidara vs Tsunade

[KidGamer65]

Its not so much a matter of the damage his explosions can do, or the durability of her body, but rather her ability to stay conscious after facing a blunt explosion. Wielding bombs capable of knocking out a large beast, a tailed beast at that, Deidara's bombs have amazing destructive feats. She is not simply brushing off an explosion of that proportion, and if she does, she'll be immediately swarmed by several more clay bombs in those few seconds of distraction.

The damage they do and the durability of her body are directly related. So there is no difference. I already addressed the bold. Why repeat the same thing over again when you and I both know that it yields no different results? Underwater explosion feats are not applicable in a fight on the ground.

To say that Tsunade has the speed to avoid his explosions, when Hebi Sasuke (who has far superior speed) found himself caught in the center of Deidara's explosion, is ridiculous.

Good thing I never said that she did. :lol At least when it comes to C2, because that is the only variant of bomb that has pressured Sasuke in terms of speed.

Putting distance between himself and Tsunade is easy when he can scatter clay bombs all in front of him, and Tsunade isn't dumb enough to launch forward and confront his explosions. I also completely disagree that the fish explosion was much more powerful because it was underwater. That makes no since at all, as water does not augment earth stype techniques in anime, and using real world logic the water around the bomb woupd actually surpress the blunt of the explosion, as it takes up space around the explosion which in contrast to open air, restricts the explosion from moving more freely and causing more damage. Therefore, if a suppressed explosion was able to knock out a tailed beast, than an explosion over land would be over kill.

Lmao. Scattering clay bombs in front of him doesn't help because if he doesn't move the explosion will kill him, thus Tsunade will simply chase after him, meaning the bombs don't hit her either.

No, the bold is what one would think happens but in reality the opposite happens.

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because that's how I know that underwater explosions are stronger than the ones on land. There's no debating this fact here. Then we can simply look at the feats. C1 above land has never done damage anywhere close to what it did to the Island Turtle and the Sanbi when they exploded underwater.

Tsunade can do all the dodging she pleases, but she'll only be giving Deidara the opportunity to deploy clay-clone feints and she'll end up getting caught in one of any of the many recurring explosion anyway. Deidarw doesn't display much taijutsu in anime, but if Tsunade's jutsu is anything like it was when she fought Kabuto, then Deidara will have multiple openings to exploit due to her lack of speed and lack of attention to her opponents movements. With speed stats superior to Tsunade's, as well as superior reaction feats, Deidara would never succumb to Tsunade's linear fighting style. And under the scenario that he did, it wouldn't really be him, but rather a clay-clone feint. Tsunade may have high intelligence stats, but she is extremely vulnerable to clone feints.

Which is precisely why I stated that Tsunade's goal is to attack, not to dodge all his explosions. I never even stated that she'd be dodging all day so I have no idea why you are addressing my post like I did. Part 1 Tsunade feats are irrelevant as this isn't a rusty Tsunade. Higher speed and reaction don't matter when there is a large gap in every other physical ability along with Taijutsu skill, and every physical stat is boosted by Byakugo. Speed, strength, etc. That is unless you are going to argue that he spends the entire battle running, which he can't do for reasons already explained.

You barely even addressed anything I've stated and on top of that you aren't explaining your arguments well enough to actually explain how Deidara feats Tsunade. So he swaps out with a clone and she hits it. So what then? She simply goes after the real one. How does he evade the AoE of her punches? How does he actually go about defeating her with measly C1? C2's usage would probably lead to his death. C4's usage definitely leads to his death. I've seen nothing in your post that addresses that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why wouldn't those explosions do anything to Tsunade again? That's not normal blunt force impact? That's a raw explosion which can tear limbs apart if not fast enough. She'll have to be constantly dodging the blast radius, is she capable of doing that and closing the distance at the same time?

Sasuke with CM2 got his wing blasted right off, and his durability >>> Tsunade's (know the difference between endurance and durability, before losing it on this statement).

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, and it's not like the smaller explosions can't do this, it's just that Sasuke was fast enough to avoid those for the most part.

She can win, but I'd put her chances lower than Deidara's.

It being an explosion doesn't make it special. If it's not strong enough it won't take a limb and no bomb weaker than C2 has shown a feat of that magnitude. All this doesn't matter because no one said that she can take C2 without losing a limb, because she can't take a direct hit and survive, but C2 itself has already been addressed when it comes to it's usefulness in this fight.

 

[NarutoX28]

Firstly, Katsuyu has feats for tanking shockwaves and heavy forces. She has no feats for tanking entire raw explosions. And under the scenario that she did, Tsunade is not going to win the fight by remaining enveloped in a slug the entire time. Secondly, Deidara has far greater reaction feats and holds an entire point above Tsunade in speed stats. Tsunade could barely keep up with Part 1 Kabuto, and will be wiped out by Deidara. Thirdly, Tsunade can punch the clay all she wants, but her fist would just tear straight through them and then Deidara will remotely activate them. Deidara does not need to run and strategically plan anything, he evades and abuses her with ease.​

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Sasuke's snakes are fragile compared to Katsuyu which still were capable of feasibly defending Sasuke against Deidara's bombs. I'm confused as to why Katsuyu would be incapable of defending against such an explosion given that Katsuyu withstood Chou Shinra Tensei whose magnitude eclipses Deidara's explosives.

Deidara does not have superior reactions than Tsunade given the nature of his fighting style which largely resembles Kankuro's and Kidoumaru who were explicitly illustrated to be inept in handling themselves in close-combat. If we were to adhere to the logic you applied which is an argument of ignorance, Deidara has no feats suggesting that he can even handle himself in close-combat. Tsunade however? Extensively engaged Edo Madara in close-range combat which impelled him to resort to cowardly tactics and managed to survive a direct confrontation with five susano'o clones whilst pummeling one who failed to react to her attack. Do not bring up her performance against P1 Kabuto when her atrocious performance caused by her lack of participation in battle no longer pertains to Tsunade in Part 2.

He might out-speed her, but he's not evading the magnitude of the shockwaves Tsunade can produce with each of her attacks that can easily stagger Deidara and leave him defenseless against any of her attacks.

 

[ToshiZO]

It being an explosion doesn't make it special. If it's not strong enough it won't take a limb and no bomb weaker than C2 has shown a feat of that magnitude. All this doesn't matter because no one said that she can take C2 without losing a limb, because she can't take a direct hit and survive, but C2 itself has already been addressed when it comes to it's usefulness in this fight.

Why would he blow himself up if he used C2? He doesn't have to be aerial to be out of its blast radius.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would he blow himself up if he used C2? He doesn't have to be aerial to be out of its blast radius.

Unless Tsunade lets him get that distance obviously he'll be in the blast radius as aiming at Tsunade means taking her and anyone near her (Deidara) out. Deidara has no way to break away from Tsunade and create a large enough distance to target her with C2 and not be caught in the blast range.

 

[Imperious]

Sasuke's snakes are fragile compared to Katsuyu which still were capable of feasibly defending Sasuke against Deidara's bombs. I'm confused as to why Katsuyu would be incapable of defending against such an explosion given that Katsuyu withstood Chou Shinra Tensei whose magnitude eclipses Deidara's explosives.

Deidara does not have superior reactions than Tsunade given the nature of his fighting style which largely resembles Kankuro's and Kidoumaru who were explicitly illustrated to be inept in handling themselves in close-combat. If we were to adhere to the logic you applied which is an argument of ignorance, Deidara has no feats suggesting that he can even handle himself in close-combat. Tsunade however? Extensively engaged Edo Madara in close-range combat which impelled him to resort to cowardly tactics and managed to survive a direct confrontation with five susano'o clones whilst pummeling one who failed to react to her attack. Do not bring up her performance against P1 Kabuto when her atrocious performance caused by her lack of participation in battle no longer pertains to Tsunade in Part 2.

He might out-speed her, but he's not evading the magnitude of the shockwaves Tsunade can produce with each of her attacks that can easily stagger Deidara and leave him defenseless against any of her attacks.

Firstly, there is a difference between a raw explosion and the force of gravity. While Katsuyu may have been able to endure the heavy force of ST and quite possibly being pelted by large debris, its not the same kind of endurance needed to survive a raw explosion. And for your sake, under the scenario that Katsuyu could endure the explosions, there is no way that Tsunade is winning this fight by staying enveloped in a slug. Reaction speed does certain pertain to ones Fighting Style, but not in the way that you imply. Reaction speed is all a matter of base speed, and while Deidara has both reacted to the high speeds of Hebi Sasuke and hold a 4.5 for speed stats, Tsunade was trashed by Part 1 Kabuto and has w 3.5 for speed stats. I use Part 1 feats because there is little to no develope for Tsunade between Part 1 and Part 2 of the series. The style in which Deidara fights shoupd not at all deteriorate his ability to effectively evade Tsunade's linear, predictable fighting style via superior speed. The shockwaves of her punches? Firstly, she uses CES, not Frog Kata. Any punch that doesn't hit its target would generate nothing more than a gentle breeze. Remember, utilizing CES, she releases chakra from her fists with pinpoint timing, upon contact with her target. If she doesn't make contact with anything, there's nothing to release chakra towards. The chakra will go right past him if she did decide to release it. Secondly, this is all assuming that Tsunade gets close to Deidara. He keeps his distance while simultaneously swarming Tsunade with clay bomb variants, and she'll be done for. She decides to leap out of the way, by the time she lands on the ground she'll be steppung her foot onto more clay bombs. And while all this is occuring, she'll have to keep her eyes fixed on Deidara to assure herself that he doesn't switch himself with a clay clone. Deidara can take the win, high difficulty at least. ​

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[RedRobin]

Firstly, that doesn't change her speed stats for a reason. Using Byakugo greatly enhances her strength, as she has more chskra to augment her CES. It also greatly enhances the rate in which she heals. No where in in any description, be it a wiki or a databook, does it detail that Byakugo augments her speed. Secondly, being a Hokage, I doubt that she had any time at all to develop and improve her skills from part 1 to part 2. Considering that she was stuck training Sakura, has mountains worth of paper work, and then had many Shinobi attacking Konoha all through of Part 2, it is safe to assume that her display of taijutsu in Part 1 is what she is currently capable in Part 2. Thirdly, if you think that Deidara is going to let Tsunade stand around and activate her Byakugo, you're sadly mistaken. In the 5-10 seconds it takes to activate her technique, she'll already be swarmed with clay bombs.​

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Databook 4: Ninpō Sōzō Saisei — Byakugō no Jutsu

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“For several years using the highest most precise chakra control, a fixed amount is stored in the Byakugou seal. The chakra is usually put to use to regenerate the body through the Ninjutsu technique “Sousou Saisei”, the combination results in the ultimate regeneration Jutsu.

The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less, than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage (i’m pretty sure, but this the gist of the line, but this was especially tricky).

When Ninpo “Sousou Saisei” is used at the same time as “Byakugou no Jutsu”, it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they’d normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition. Than it just talks about the rules of medical ninjutsu where broken with the completion of such a marvelous Ninjutsu as this.

Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.

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*Note, the last line seems to indicate that the technique also increases ones power, besides regeneration, but i’m not a 100% on that line . Considering this is fairly key to how effective the Jutsu is, as if it increases power that explains a-lot about Tsunade and Sakura’s performances/hype, it would be great if another translator went over it. It’s the last line in the text bellow the picture of Tsunade recovering and Madara being punched (which would suggest i’m correct because the pics are highlighting regen and power, but I just don’t want to call it and start a shit storm w/o being 100% sure).

So apparently Byakugo no Jutsu is a separate technique than Sousou Saisei, that is used as a booster; hmm I wonder who could have said that and got *****ed at in the NBD for suggesting so”

Translation by Turrin from Narutoforums

Raiton Chakra Mode

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Raiton Chakra collects on the body, it's a body invigoration ninjutsu. From inside the body lightning gushes out, the speed of ones nerve transmissions rises. The body is wrapped in lightning, the jutsu durability is like that of armor. The Raikages' application of it causes their combat power to rise considerably.

It managed to chase Naruto's Bijuu Chakra Mode, however it was inferior to the great speed of the Yellow-Flash

Its a booster technique the same as the chakra cloaks used in the manga. The raiton chakra cloak also states the same thing as rising one's power. This is further proven by the picture used in the databook as it shows a feat of combat power not simply strength.



Part 1 Tsunade was called rusty on two separate occasions. Makes sense seeing as how she you know hadnt fought in 20 years.

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in part 1 after throwing a couple of punches. Her performance in the war arc is night and day compared to part 1. Without a doubt showing she improved her skills.



Lol at these excuses.

- Right she was able to do nothing else in 3 years but train Sakura.....

- Shizune does a lot of her paperwork. Paperwork LOL.

- The seal takes no time

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[Apêx1]

Tsunade wins mid difficulty.

-The impact Madara's Magatama made rivaled or surpassed what Base B, someone physically stronger than Ay, did with his lariat, but that power is focused into piercing form. Tsunade can take that power but far more concentrated with zero damage. So we can forget about any low level bombs doing serious enough damage to tear off entire limbs unless she lets it hit her unguarded or doesn't try to evade. Then there's her being able to survive Mabui's teleportation with minor cuts for whatever that is worth, but that doesn't really matter.

Your logic is unusually off in your argument for this match-up. Not to sound like Pretentious but your logic for her being able to take negligible damage from Deidara's clay is non sequitar. Using evidence of her taking negligible/no damage from weaker attacks is not indicative of her taking negligible damage from C1+.

Kusanagi blade has failed to penetrate both Enma and V2 Naruto (understandable). However, it's a fact that Kusanagi's sharpness is nowhere near what is hyped. It doesn't even cut rocks anywhere near cleanly as shown by it making impact with them instead of going through like butter [

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]. FYI Asuma's Futon Kunai can canonically cut cleanly through a boulder after passing a tree, meaning it's beyond the Kusanagi which needs the force of Orochimaru behind it to go through those rocks. Since Kusanagi cut Tsunade with ease [

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], it's clear your argument about her durability nothing but reaching.

Lariat argument makes no sense at all. Tsunade taking Lariat's power in a concentrated form is laughable when even V3 Susano's much larger and much faster Magatama's didn't live up to Lariat's 'impact' [

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]. PLUS, the Magatama's used against Tsunade were CLEARLY round on the edges

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, they have no piercing power in the first place and it's the reason there's a blunt force when they initially make contact with her body. Something a sharp and fast projectile would never do. And anyways, it would make absolutely no sense for her body to be naturally WAY harder than rock (requirement for blunt impact to occur from a 'penetrative' Yasaka Magatama) but for her to be able to make her lips bleed with a simple bite. Her body is durable in the sense of it can take a good beating, stop trying to turn her into a Raikage.

-Fish bomb feat is irrelevant because explosions like that are much stronger underwater and this isn't an underwater fight. When it comes to C1 that is the only extraordinary explosion he's shown along side the squid that flipped over Turtle Island IIRC. Tsunade is fast enough to make sure she's not at the absolute center of any of these explosions.

These two explosions were massive

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. And if C variants are thrown in the open, I agree that Tsunade can get out of the centre of the explosion and take non-problematic damage. That's not how Deidara fights though. All of Deidara's 'attacks' are merely to further the next one and the one after that.

-C2 is almost useless as Deidara would blow himself up. His only way to escape is to dive underground, but if he stops to do that Tsunade will pulverize him as her AoE is too large for him to evade while trying to burrow underground, and if she jumps then her AoE will roughly be the same strength as Sakura's. If push comes to shove Katsuyu can be summoned to protect her from C2.

Agree.

-C4 is useless as he'd have to make distance between them to not get caught in the blast himself.

No he wouldn't. He can have the C4 by itself on a C1 bird. Once C4 is ready, Deidara uses Hiding like a Mole and replaces himself with a Nendo Bunshin, and the substitution is too fast for the Sharingan and the Byakugan to notice. She sure as hell won't. At the same time he'd have the bird put the C4 into position where it can send all the micro-bombs into a massive AOE that she won't know about. He won't be affected while far beneath the ground, she won't know he's underground because he'd replace himself with a Nendo Bunshin, and she won't know that the air she's breathing is going to betray her.

Match ends with her punching his guts out or with him getting caught in something of

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scale.

Match ends with Tsunade punching a Nendo Bunshin and thinking she's won until a caterpillar catches wraps around her foot while she's off guard i.e.

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. Or, the C4 strategy I suggested. Or a million other strategies Deidara can use in order to blow a leg off her.

Because you restricted Femme Fatale's Tsunade, that means I can use KingHashirama's Tsunade instead. Tsunade utterly rapes even an unrestricted Deidara.

KH's Tsunade was restricted from the VS section by Zise himself last I checked bro

 

[ToshiZO]

Unless Tsunade lets him get that distance obviously he'll be in the blast radius as aiming at Tsunade means taking her and anyone near her (Deidara) out. Deidara has no way to break away from Tsunade and create a large enough distance to target her with C2 and not be caught in the blast range.

-Gets on Dragon
-Starts moving away from Tsunade
-Tsunade tries coming at him, uses smaller bombs to keep her away and stop her momentum.
-Once he gains enough distance C2 bombs.

 

[RedRobin]

Ay

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the technique because he has the blood of the 3rd raikage in him. Well Tsunade survives its too.

The cuts means nothing when Mabui gave her 0% chance of surviving at all.

Her durability is not at their level but she is closer to them in durability than she is to normal bodies in this manga.

Edit: But yeah she is nothing like a raikage.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Gets on Dragon
-Starts moving away from Tsunade
-Tsunade tries coming at him, uses smaller bombs to keep her away and stop her momentum.
-Once he gains enough distance C2 bombs.

Deidara isn't allowed to fly in any way, shape or form. :lol "Deidara can't go airborne" airborne=transportation via air. His dragon flies. So none of this happens.

 

[ToshiZO]

Deidara isn't allowed to fly in any way, shape or form. :lol "Deidara can't go airborne" airborne=transportation via air. His dragon flies. So none of this happens.

But I was thinking more like gliding/ jumping backwards with the dragon and using its wings to speed up the process. It's techincally not flying, and it's not going airborne anymore than this

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, I mean is Tsunade not allowed to jump? Because she can jump hella high, that would be considered going aerial as well. It'd be much tougher for her to dodge if she's only allowed to be grounded.

 

[Booker]

Shit, I'm dumb. I missed where Deidara can't fly.

Tsunade shits, Deidara's only advantage was avoiding CQC and spamming techs. As others are saying he is not doing any substantial damage on the ground with Tsunade.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ay

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the technique because he has the blood of the 3rd raikage in him. Well Tsunade survives its too.

The cuts means nothing when Mabui gave her 0% chance of surviving at all.

Her durability is not at their level but she is closer to them in durability than she is to normal bodies in this manga.

No, ffs. This was the worst argument I've seen you make on this site. She's just healing herself at a rapid level. Her durability is not even relatively close to Ay's and there was no comparison made there, she was portrayed to survive it based on different means. That's not even a true durability feat, it's an endurance feat.

 

[KidGamer65]

But I was thinking more like gliding/ jumping backwards with the dragon and using its wings to speed up the process. It's techincally not flying or going airborne anymore than this

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, I mean is Tsunade not allowed to jump? Because she can jump hella high, that would be considered going aerial as well. It'd be much tougher for her to dodge if she's only allowed to be grounded.

But he's not doing the jumping or the moving. What you are describing is him jumping on the dragon's back, and then having it fly backwards. If you are saying the grad Tsunade isn't the one who was restricted also so what she can or can't do doesn't matter.

 

[Imperious]

The damage they do and the durability of her body are directly related. So there is no difference. I already addressed the bold. Why repeat the same thing over again when you and I both know that it yields no different results? Underwater explosion feats are not applicable in a fight on the ground.





Good thing I never said that she did. :lol At least when it comes to C2, because that is the only variant of bomb that has pressured Sasuke in terms of speed.



Lmao. Scattering clay bombs in front of him doesn't help because if he doesn't move the explosion will kill him, thus Tsunade will simply chase after him, meaning the bombs don't hit her either.

No, the bold is what one would think happens but in reality the opposite happens.

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because that's how I know that underwater explosions are stronger than the ones on land. There's no debating this fact here. Then we can simply look at the feats. C1 above land has never done damage anywhere close to what it did to the Island Turtle and the Sanbi when they exploded underwater.



Which is precisely why I stated that Tsunade's goal is to attack, not to dodge all his explosions. I never even stated that she'd be dodging all day so I have no idea why you are addressing my post like I did. Part 1 Tsunade feats are irrelevant as this isn't a rusty Tsunade. Higher speed and reaction don't matter when there is a large gap in every other physical ability along with Taijutsu skill, and every physical stat is boosted by Byakugo. Speed, strength, etc. That is unless you are going to argue that he spends the entire battle running, which he can't do for reasons already explained.

You barely even addressed anything I've stated and on top of that you aren't explaining your arguments well enough to actually explain how Deidara feats Tsunade. So he swaps out with a clone and she hits it. So what then? She simply goes after the real one. How does he evade the AoE of her punches? How does he actually go about defeating her with measly C1? C2's usage would probably lead to his death. C4's usage definitely leads to his death. I've seen nothing in your post that addresses that.

You're practically saying that Tsunade has more durability than a tailed beast, and the three tailed beast at that, which is known to have the highest durability above the rest. I'm repeating the same thing because you fail to understand that Tsunade is not tanking a clay bomb and remaining conscious, and under the scenario that she does, she's only giving Deidara the opportunity to switch himself with a clay clone or swarm her with more clay bomb variants. Sasuke being pressured by a c2 in terms of speed only solidifies the fact that Tsunade, with vastly lower speed, can be pressured by a vastly inferior clay bomb variant such a c1. Scattering clay bombs in front of him would work for two reasons. Firstly, it creates a wall between Tsunade and Deidara. Tsunade Isn't stupid enough to run towards explosives. Secondly, Deidara's explosives are mobile. Deidara does not need to move, as his clay bombs will move for him. Mobilizing his troops towards Tsunade will only push the wall against her, causing her to cautiously step back rather than approach the wall with no means of defense. The link you provided regarding explosions underwater in contrast to on land is invalid. It argues that explosions underwater cause more damage towards targets from a distance than the damage that an on land explosion from a distance causes. While this may be true, it fails to note that there is little to no difference between damages if the target is right beside the explosion. In the scenario given, the tailed beast was directly beside the bomb when the explosion occured, so it can be argued that the feat is consistent and applicable to an on land scenario. Tsunade is going to be forced to dodge bombs the entire time, rather than approaching them recklessly. The clay bombs are both an offense and a defense, allowing Deidara to hurt Tsunade while also guiding her path away from him. Reaction speed and base speed do play a huge role in this fight. Tsunade only has a high stat in Taijutsu because of her CES and a little bit of her versality when engaging in close quarter combat, but her overall fighting style is too linear, as a simple punch can easily be evaded simply by slightly adjusting ones position to avoid contact. With inferior speed, her movements are also made predictable, allowing Deidara to dodge her even more comfortably. Byakugo does indeed raise strength and healing rate, but deteriorates stamina quickly. Not only that, but it does in no way enhance her speed. Give me something saying that it does, something I can't argue against, and I will concede. You'll argue thst she pushed Madara into using Cowardice tactics. However, she was being assisted by the others Kage, and besides that, Madara was toying with them. Once Madara became serious, Tsunade ended up split into two and the other Kage beaten to near death. Swapping out with clone feints and activating their explosion will both allow Deidara to do damage on Tsunade while also preparing to swarm her with more clay bombs. C1 can hurt Tsunade, as she isn't brushing off an explosion within seconds. C2 can knock Tsunade unconscious, c3 can even be used to finish her off.​

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[RedRobin]

No, ffs. This was the worst argument I've seen you make on this site. She's just healing herself at a rapid level. Her durability is not even relatively close to Ay's and there was no comparison made there, she was portrayed to survive it based on different means. That's not even a true durability feat, it's an endurance feat.

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[ToshiZO]

But he's not doing the jumping or the moving. What you are describing is him jumping on the dragon's back, and then having it fly backwards.

Not having it fly backwards, having it constantly jump backwards using its wings to generate the force.

If you are saying the grad Tsunade isn't the one who was restricted also so what she can or can't do doesn't matter.

Lmfao don't know why I thought that for a second. You should get the point regardless, characters can jump high in this manga, the dragon would not be flying just jumping.

If Deidara has to be absolutely grounded, that wasn't really specified, I took it as flight.

 

[Imperious]

Databook 4: Ninpō Sōzō Saisei — Byakugō no Jutsu

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“For several years using the highest most precise chakra control, a fixed amount is stored in the Byakugou seal. The chakra is usually put to use to regenerate the body through the Ninjutsu technique “Sousou Saisei”, the combination results in the ultimate regeneration Jutsu.

The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less, than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage (i’m pretty sure, but this the gist of the line, but this was especially tricky).

When Ninpo “Sousou Saisei” is used at the same time as “Byakugou no Jutsu”, it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they’d normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition. Than it just talks about the rules of medical ninjutsu where broken with the completion of such a marvelous Ninjutsu as this.

Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.

———

*Note, the last line seems to indicate that the technique also increases ones power, besides regeneration, but i’m not a 100% on that line . Considering this is fairly key to how effective the Jutsu is, as if it increases power that explains a-lot about Tsunade and Sakura’s performances/hype, it would be great if another translator went over it. It’s the last line in the text bellow the picture of Tsunade recovering and Madara being punched (which would suggest i’m correct because the pics are highlighting regen and power, but I just don’t want to call it and start a shit storm w/o being 100% sure).

So apparently Byakugo no Jutsu is a separate technique than Sousou Saisei, that is used as a booster; hmm I wonder who could have said that and got *****ed at in the NBD for suggesting so”

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Raiton Chakra Mode

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Raiton Chakra collects on the body, it's a body invigoration ninjutsu. From inside the body lightning gushes out, the speed of ones nerve transmissions rises. The body is wrapped in lightning, the jutsu durability is like that of armor. The Raikages' application of it causes their combat power to rise considerably.

It managed to chase Naruto's Bijuu Chakra Mode, however it was inferior to the great speed of the Yellow-Flash

Its a booster technique the same as the chakra cloaks used in the manga. The raiton chakra cloak also states the same thing as rising one's power. This is further proven by the picture used in the databook as it shows a feat of combat power not simply strength.



Part 1 Tsunade was called rusty on two separate occasions. Makes sense seeing as how she you know hadnt fought in 20 years.

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She is seen

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in part 1 after throwing a couple of punches. Her performance in the war arc is night and day compared to part 1. Without a doubt showing she improved her skills.



Lol at these excuses.

- Right she was able to do nothing else in 3 years but train Sakura.....

- Shizune does a lot of her paperwork. Paperwork LOL.

- The seal takes no time

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No offense, but all of this is irrelevant. A gsin in power does not guarantee a gain in speed. Raiton Chakra Mode only enhances speed because it does so directly. It, in and of itself, pertains to the augmentation of speed. Byakugo does not.​

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She's in

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and even

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. Her wounds were nothing, she had cuts. Not when she was supposed to be

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Torn apart means receiving cuts and open wounds. Death can be caused from such injuries, I don't see any contradictions with what she said and Tsunade's state tbh, the only thing is those types of injuries can't kill Tsunade.