[VS] Deidara vs Tsunade

[Beans2]

Lol gonna give this thread a read later

 

[Beans2]

You had this long and all you could come up with was this complete and utter pile of horseshit you have the nerve to call an argument? :lol Bits of this nonsense are probably some of the stupidest things I've read in a very long time. I'll reply tomorrow

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[KidGamer65]

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Lmao you can stop unless you are going to call out Apex as well.

 

[KidGamer65]

This is getting boring so I'm gonna shorten the replies. Bold makes no sense. If I punch a brick wall the brick wall will exert the same amount of force right back to my hand, which is why my hand would break. Squeezing on a sharp blade in turn has the sharp blade exert an equal force back at you. The fact he used so much force with his hand as to stop the blade [all his power was obviously used from the get-go, he didn't have the time to gauge how much power he would need to use to stop it] and still didn't have his fingers bisected by something that's supposed to be as sharp as the Kusanagi says it all really. It is the equivalent of putting your hand with your palm facing up and pressing with the blade against your fingers. That is what is technically happening in that scan. The force that would push down on your hand is Enma's grip strength. Some extremely trained humans IRL have 200 pound grip strength, so I can only imagine Enma's grip. The fact his hand wasn't cut through is laughable. It doesn't need to be swung, that's not how shit works buddy. Kusanagi should've chopped his fingers like a kitchen knife chops an onion. If Sandame Raikage tried to touch metal while 1 finger Nukite was activated he'd probably just go through it like it wasn't even there. Even if he was moving his hand as slowly as he could from a stand-still position. My point with the Shuriken is to show you that no impact was made with metal, it cut cleanly it like it was butter. Force has little to do with it given the lack of impact. You're thinking of it in a hammer and nail point of view when the reality is that NV has its own physics and the penetrative powers of some stuff are different to how our world works.

Yes you clown. We know all of this. I don't give a damn regardless because I'm still waiting for whatever metric you used to say that because him gripping Kusanagi can't cut his fingers clean off, that the blade "isn't that sharp". Lmao. What type of blade have you seen in this series that would sever someone's hand/fingers just by gripping the blade? None besides uber sharp blades like Nukite. The fact you are evejn bringing up 1 Fingered Nukite, a blade that can pierce through something FRS can't even scratch, to discredit Kusanagi is beyond idiotic and only shows me that you can do nothing but grasp at straws instead of simply admitting that you are wrong which seems to be the new running gag with you people on this website. Stop with the dumb excuses. "B-b-but NV has it's own physics" no, it doesn't. Not unless there is heavy implication or statement that the physics behind said occurrence is different than it is in real life.

Your 200 lb point is also terrible because humans are not as strong or as durable as Ninja thus that cancels out. Same reason why people make no sense when they argue "X can blitz Y from 30m because humans can cross 100m in less than 20 seconds". :lol

Lmao. Then there's the fact that Enma's hand is wrapped around and pressing against the blunt side of the blade, making your already shit point even worse.

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And no, your Shuriken point is trash. What are you talking about "no impact"? It's a blade of Raiton cutting a regular metal weapon. Why in God's name would there be any large or noticeable impact marks drawn on that panel for that. The Raiton Shuriken is sharp enough to cut through the metal cleanly. That's force. "Force has little to do with it". Lmao. Keep on making stuff up Apex. Wonder how long it took you to convince yourself that 90% of the nonsense you spewed here is legit.

Time for you to learn to read. If Kusanagi is swung it would obviously saw off his fingers because of the force behind it, never disputed that. My point is, it's supposed to be able to cut his fingers cleanly with little force, and him gripping it with a lot of grip power is a decently large force. Meaning Kusanagi would have to be swung with quite some power to cut off his fingers, aka it's not THAT penetrative. And when did Enma's diamond form get scratched? As far as I know he said he'll be sore. That doesn't mean he was physically scratched.

No, that's a requirement you made up to try and argue Kusanagi is a weak blade even though there is no metric or scale for this moronic statement. Time for you to learn how to use your brain pal.

If it can make him sore, it's doing some sort of damage to him. That is obviously the point of that statement regardless of whether or not he'll be scratched by it. That's a way to determine it's strength. Not this bullshit roundabout argument you have going on here.

This rebuttal is beyond retarded. That's like saying if you put a pillow (with thick steel in its centre) in front of a car, and have another car crash the pillow which is on the car, then the car takes a small factor of the damage. Makes no sense whatsoever. The momentum is transferred to the car and it gets a massive amount of damage regardless of the pillow lessening it. A Samehada reduced impact from V2 Bee is still far beyond the impact Base Bee can cause. And anyway, the majority of the impact was on a small portion of Samehada

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, inflicted by the closed mouth of the skull instead of Bee's entire arm. Therefor, far more of the impact would be transferred by Samehada to Kisame. Makes sense seeing how someone of his durability calibre couldn't be damaged by a lack of 'left over force' from a Lariat when he survived some form of Hirudora. Sure, he's obviously not V3 Susano durability. But you can't act like him surviving a 7th Gate (weakened) Gai technique didn't happen - it's still canon.

The pillow isn't going to absorb most of that impact unless it's large enough to cover the entirety of the car, or rather large enough to block the entirety of the incoming car and if it's durable enough to lessen the impact of said attack. So no shit in your example the car still takes heavy damage. Stop using shitty examples to try and prove your point. Samehada is strong enough to reduce said impact which is why B only walked away with the same amount of damage Sasuke took from Lariat.

And yes Apex. Congrats for stating the obvious. Yes, the force transferred from Samehada to Killer B. Amazing discovery. We should give you an award for being a good echo as that's exactly what I just stated. The force being transferred from one to the other doesn't mean that Samehada didn't lessen the damage Kisame took.

Hirudora is irrelevant and a terrible argument as he didn't take the full blast of said jutsu nor do you know how much of said jutsu did it's damage. If you aren't going to comment on and clarify it's strength, or rather how much of it Kisame endured, then it's a waste of time to say "because he took a gimped Hirudora V2 Lariat can't damage him". Not to mention that is a giant unfocused explosion while Lariat is far more focused. "He shouldn't be damaged by left over force from a lariat" is you again making up strength requirements for jutsu. And why should the left over force from his lariat not damage him? What information besides your opinion did you use to come to this conclusion? I'll wait.

Baseless claim that he was thrown up, that only happened against Sasuke. No such thing was shown against Kisame so stop fabricating manga facts.

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Pretty sad that I have to explain the pictures to you at this point. Scan above clearly shows him flying upwards. Scan below shows him landing on the ground as if he went up and came down. If he was hit straight across then he'd slam into the tree. The anime also shows exactly what I'm describing.

But hey. My point is the baseless one. I'm the one fabricating Manga facts. :lol Clean the crust out of your eyes before you respond again.

Didn't realise Tsunade was a diagonal angle. But doesn't really mater. There are many situations that debunk Tsunade's 'feat', with the V2 Bee being the obvious refutation of it. KN2 Naruto also put his claws into Oro's face the impact of that sent him through the forest

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. Surely if there was a rock for Oro to crash in, the damage to the environment would've been comparable, if not superior to Tsunade's. That doesn't change the fact that he'd get his hand cut off by a kunai, nor does it change the fact that he'd lose a limb to a C1 from point blank.

That's a line labeled "Tsunade" because it's pointing towards Tsunade's location. :lol There are no feats that debunk this. It's you jumping through hoop after hoop after hoop instead of simply doing what anyone with common sense would do and admit that you are wrong. This is also another pathetic roundabout argument. Based on what does C1 point blank rip off his limbs? Why is this relevant when I've already said that a point blank unguarded attack from C1 (in multiples only) would take a limb off? Why does his hand being cut off with a Kunai matter here? :lol

HOLY SHIT. Can you start fuking reading the stuff I say instead of blatantly ignoring them and making yourself look stupider? I literally just gave you the VIZ scan which SHITS on the bold. Also, we do know he was there if we look at this VIZ [

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] (you're supposed to click it). He wouldn't have known that his clone was foiled unless he was in the area. He wouldn't have attributed him getting away to its presence.
Decoy: someone or something used to draw attention away from another
Also, Deidara was shown to be looking from the bushes AS THE ORIGINAL [

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]. So why would we be seeing a clone in the bushes talking to himself shortly after [

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]. You can clearly see he's surprised he's been found the moment he goes out of the bushes to leave, when he notices he was spotted by Neji (who would've noticed the "original" who's in the area as well, but he didn't). Anyways, the point is he was saying he can't outrun them (VIZ). Hence, getting away with a substitution is the logical solution. He never said he can't get away, if he did say that you would've been right. But he didn't. Also, Naruto couldn't see him Kamawari and that's a FACT. So stop ignoring that, because Tsunade does not have a Sharingan. She won't be seeing any better than KN0 Naruto. You can call this nonsense all you want, until you make a valid counter-argument it's not remotely relevant.

Kawarimi is irrelevant because physically swapping out with a clone and kawarimi are not the same jutsu. Kawarimi lets you even escape restraints. [

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] Swapping out with a clone is doing nothing but hiding yourself while leaving a clone in your place. Already addressed. So stop mentioning it because it won't make what you are saying sound any less stupid than it does now. The rest of this nonsense was addressed when Zexion brought it up. Absolutely hilarious how the guy implying Deidara's clone feints happen faster than Sharingan can visually process is talking about logic. :lol

Actually, I've realised Deidara's explosions leave smoke-screens if they explode and make contact with the ground. Proofs [

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]. Genjutsu isn't real life, true. However, if Deidara's Centipede reached its location faster than it should have (he obviously knows how fast it is), he would've know he's in Genjutsu as it would not make any sense otherwise. Every feat he doesn't question in Genjutsu is attributable to his own feats unless it's questioned by him. His ignorance of Itachi's speed means nothing at all for your point. Would only support your point if he priorly knew about exactly how fast Itachi was, which again, he didn't.

Yes, they do, for a second. :lol The rest is more results of you doing mental gymnastics instead of admitting you don't make sense. What determines the effectiveness of that attack is who it can capture, and it was only fast enough to cross that distance and capture Itachi without knowing in GENJUTSU. Which is not real life. So again, zero feats for the centipede. It traveling a small amount of distance in a few seconds isn't a speed feat worth mentioning here. So basically the centipede magically catches Tsunade because "it's coming from under her bro". :lol Imagine that.

First of all, nothing says Tsunade can hear heart rate so I have no idea what you're on about. In the VIZ she says his heart rate is erratic [

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]. This can be indicated from his condition/chest/breathing/sweating. Further proof that I am right: She had to put her hear on Naruto's chest to hear his heart beat, before that she head NOTHING

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. Very clear since she only started hearing 'thump' after putting her ear on his chest. So much for hearing what's beneath her

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. Your entire point goes into the trash - the fight ends with my proposed strategy. You should remember your points before trying to address mine. You're clearly confused. The C1 being thrown in his near proximity was addressing your "Tsunade circles around him" strategy. Deidara created a large distance between him and Sasuke doing this

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Lmao how far will you reach? And how would she know if his heartbeat was erratic in the first place genius? Oh yes, by hearing it. She said his heart rate is erratic, and then explained his other conditions separately. If those symptoms are what lead her to declare that he had an erratic heartbeat then she wouldn't start off by saying he has an erratic heartbeat, and then explaining the rest of his symptoms. She would start with his symptoms and then say "he must have an erratic heartbeat" or something along the lines of that.

-Erratic heartbeat is sound.
-His complexion lead her to believe he had a fever.
-She then stated he's been exhausted for a while.



Her getting close to hear Naruto's heartbeat doesn't invalidate what actually happened above. There is no harm or energy or time wasted in her getting close to hear the heartbeat as best as she can.

As if any of that nonsense matters regardless because his centipede burrowing above ground is gonna create much stronger sound than a heart beat.

Also HAHAHAHAHA did this guy really just compare an underground attack from SUSANOO of all things to his shitty little centipede strategy? Lmao. Amazing comparison Apex.

Yes. Fight starts at 10 meters. Small explosion into centipede gg. Once you prove why it doesn't work, we can go into Deidara using a small explosion to re-establish a 10 meter distance between them like he did against Sasuke. Also, Tsunade isn't starting off with Byakugo (and has no reason to) so her initial punch is certainly not killing him.

No and no. Don't post unless you have real rebuttals, and unless you can provide some real life feats for your precious centipede. Who the hell said she'd start off with Byakugo? Sakura and Tsunade are on the same level and what Sakura did was in "Base", not in Byakugo Mode. Imagine thinking that she needs Byakugo to create an offensive attack strong enough to kill Deidara of all people.

"Circles around his bombs" since when is she faster than Hebi Sasuke? Get out of here. And no, even if Tsunade knows Deidara is underground, she won't be approaching a clone that's about to explode itself unless she wants to die in the epicentre of a massive explosion (would require slight prep but no reason Tsunade would be able to stop this prep). Anyways, you're clearly underestimating Hiding like a Mole

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. It can allow Deidara to travel a large distance before she even realises where he is post-explosion (she can't sniff him out either).

Since when did you need to be faster than Sasuke to circle around the explosion of a bomb that isn't even directed towards you? Especially since it's just regular C1. Lmao. Apex please just stop and try to use your brain at least once throughout the course of this argument. She doesn't need to hit his clone directly to destroy it so we can forget about her being caught in the epicenter of his attack. And no, nobody is underestimating Hiding Like a Mole. In fact that along with Deidara's speed is what's being wanked to high hell and back here because there are no logical arguments to support him being able to clone feint faster than Sharingan and Byakugan can see. What in the world is that scan supposed to prove? He was in front of them and then popped up behind them. Is that supposed to be a good feat?

Addressed. And what? I've clearly outlined my plan, you acting like you're ignorant of it is proof your argument is barely holding. Quote from my last post: " Fight starts ---- 1. Same strategy he used vs Itachi. 2. Tsunade is ignorant to centipede given it burrowed during the timeframe of the explosion. Centipede latches onto her leg. 3. Tsunade says bye bye to her leg." Where did you see a Bunshin used? Clone only happens as a defensive strategy if Centipede plan fails, which it won't.

Addressed.

Means nothing. You acting like I didn't make my strategy clear is hilarious though.

What's hilarious is the fact that you typed up the first 3-4 paragraphs of your post thinking that they made sense. I'm going to tell you how this fight goes:

-Match starts.
-Tsunade runs at Deidara.
-Jumps.
-Hits the ground.
-He dies.

End of story.

 

[NarutoX28]

Lmao you can stop unless you are going to call out Apex as well.

Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Apex's comparison between Lariat and Yasaka Magatama was at fault when the Databook elucidated the nature of the technique being a penetrative attack meaning that the technique would obviously have a smaller explosion because the nature of technique entails that the force is more condensed. It's actually more staggering to see something akin to a shuriken actually explode due to its sheer momentum and rotational energy rather than Lariat's explosion where the force is spread outwards.

One question, how is Madara's Yasaka Magatama > Lariat? Not denying it, just curious.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, I have to agree with you here. Apex's comparison between Lariat and Yasaka Magatama was at fault when the Databook elucidated the nature of the technique being a penetrative attack meaning that the technique would obviously have a smaller explosion because the nature of technique entails that the force is more condensed. It's actually more staggering to see something akin to a shuriken actually explode due to its sheer momentum and rotational energy rather than Lariat's explosion where the force is spread outwards.

One question, how is Madara's Yasaka Magatama > Lariat? Not denying it, just curious.

The destruction to the ground when Tsunade got hit by YM is larger than when B hit Ay with his lariat. So YM is a stronger attack than Base B's lariat, but nothing higher. However the damage potential is far greater like you said above.

 

[NarutoX28]

The destruction to the ground when Tsunade got hit by YM is larger than when B hit Ay with his lariat. So YM is a stronger attack than Base B's lariat, but nothing higher. However the damage potential is far greater like you said above.

Yeah, just realized that it was implicit in my response.

That makes a lot of sense though. I actually hadn't considered examining the examining the destruction of the ground in both cases. That's actually a very intriguing observation.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, just realized that it was implicit in my response.

That makes a lot of sense though. I actually hadn't considered examining the examining the destruction of the ground in both cases. That's actually a very intriguing observation.

I agree. Just gonna wait to see how Apex dances around it this time.

 

[TheEvilOne]

No, ffs. This was the worst argument I've seen you make on this site. She's just healing herself at a rapid level. Her durability is not even relatively close to Ay's and there was no comparison made there, she was portrayed to survive it based on different means. That's not even a true durability feat, it's an endurance feat.

She opened the seal only after the teleportation technique ended, this means she was able to endure the technique with minor wounds, as she herself stated. So yeah, this is an impressive durability feat.

Given the fact that Deidara is not allowed to fly, I'd say Tsunade wins with mid-high difficulty. She is a highly skilled CqC fighter who can close huge gaps within mere seconds, so her base speed being inferior to Deidara's means nothing here.