Can Kisame defeat Itachi ?

[Prince Charles]

And on top of that, even the bijuu didn't instantly respond.

Lel exactly my point.

 

[slaton02]

Bro why are such a hater, we all know Kisame can't beat Itachi.

a hater? I wouldn't be on this thread or have created multiple threads on this or posted multiple post saying this. I'm not like Minato,Itachi,Sasuke fans saying them>everyone and sh** like that. This is Unbiased judgment based on feats and they speak for themselves, open your eyes for once and be unbiased.

 

[Europa]

It really isnt as seeing kisame would first have to realize he is in a genjutsu and like other have said we don't know the process that samehada would take to break kisame out of it, it took both lady chiyo and sakura to break naruto out of itachi's genjutsu, samehada will surely need more time since it is alone, and thats if it is even capable of doing so and if kisame can realize his in a genjutsu.

It's not outlandish for Kisame to establish with the sword to start a process of having Samehada drain his chakra slowly, which would certainly make him have an irregular flow of chakra which is what is needed to break Genjutsu.

 

[Dantee]

a hater? I wouldn't be on this thread or have created multiple threads on this or posted multiple post saying this. I'm not like Minato,Itachi,Sasuke fans saying them>everyone and sh** like that. This is Unbiased judgment based on feats and they speak for themselves, open your eyes for once and be unbiased.

Unbiased? Amaterasu > Kisame EOD

 

[Vegeto30294]

Samehada still has a mind of it's own and know when it's owner is in trouble.

It takes time for even Bijuu to notice its host is in trouble, let alone a separate sentient weapon. Neither one would break out of Genjutsu instantly, especially on the level of Tsukiyomi.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

This is a tough one...​

 

[Prince Charles]

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Kisame can inflict pain if needed, along with having samehade i see genjutsu as being little concern. His has two methods of possibly breaking this.

yes because a powerful genjutsu was inflicted upon him by Ao? The whole samehada argument has been covered many times, it isnt absolute.

 

[slaton02]

No. Neg diff means he'd have to do absolutely nothing, while kisame had to work hard to die. Kind of like Kakashi reading his book while naruto was kicking his own ass; That's neg diff.

No it doesn't, that would mean 0 diff genius lol and we all know who ever is winning this it surely isn't 0 diff....you're a troll I'm done with you like I said before not worth my time.

 

[AGoodBoy]

a hater? I wouldn't be on this thread or have created multiple threads on this or posted multiple post saying this. I'm not like Minato,Itachi,Sasuke fans saying them>everyone and sh** like that. This is Unbiased judgment based on feats and they speak for themselves, open your eyes for once and be unbiased.

Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're biased. Maybe it just means you're wrong? Ever thought of that? Even people who Speed down a highway at midnight, with their headlamps off and run over a person blame the person for 'crossing the road'. You're just wrong hoping someone will agree with you. Kisame's strong, but itachi has been perceived stronger and has the feats to back it up.

No it doesn't, that would mean 0 diff genius lol and we all know who ever is winning this it surely isn't 0 diff....you're a troll.

0/No/stomp is simply 1 shotting or 2 shotting your opponent. It means it took incredibly little effort from you that your opponent didn't even have time to react.

Neg diff is your opponent solo'ing themself because they take the difficulty away from your in the sense that it's as if they committed suicide.

 

[Dantee]

@Dante: Amaterasu can and will be absorbed. Samehada had clearly

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of Samehada. It may not have liked it, but it did. I can't really say there was much damage done to the sword

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Now, Amaterasu will either vanish

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or soon after. And, the

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fires of Amaterasu won't be too much of a real hindereness to begin with.

Once more, Samehada may not favor Katon. But it has never shown that it will out right refuse it.

Amaterasu doesn't make travel so he will be hit. Samehada doesn't like fire and has shown to disobey it's user. The possibilities of it wanting to asorb Amaterasu is slim to none. Not to mention once Kisame is hit and inactive. Itachi effortlessly kicks Samehada to a bush somewhere and lets Kisame burn.

 

[blazekev90]

yes because a powerful genjutsu was inflicted upon him by Ao? The whole samehada argument has been covered many times, it isnt absolute.

It doesnt matter. Inflicting pain is a method of breaking genjutsu. He has been able to do so without beibg able to move

 

[itachi4real]

@Dante: Amaterasu can and will be absorbed. Samehada had clearly

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of Samehada. It may not have liked it, but it did. I can't really say there was much damage done to the sword

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Now, Amaterasu will either vanish

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or soon after. And, the

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fires of Amaterasu won't be too much of a real hindereness to begin with.

Once more, Samehada may not favor Katon. But it has never shown that it will out right refuse it.

As u can see samehada didnt absorb it dumbass he just split the fireball....if samehada gets hit with ama theres no way for him to get it off.

 

[slaton02]

It takes time for even Bijuu to notice its host is in trouble, let alone a separate sentient weapon. Neither one would break out of Genjutsu instantly, especially on the level of Tsukiyomi.

Bee broke it almost instantly, Sasuke looked down then looked back and Bee lariat'd him that's pretty much instant. 2 you have know clue what Samehada would know or not know what are you basing that off of? btw samehada isn't some tool it's seem to be a living creature.

 

[Disquiet]

Fair enough point. It's arguable if Samehada would be able to release the genjutsu. But, there's something that Kisame himself can do to prevent him from ever falling into a genjutsu.

Kisame himself knows quite a bit about Itachi and his Genjutsu expertise. Something that he and his sword could do, to prevent from falling into a Genjutsu is to have Samehada either constantly drain small portions of Kisame's massive chakra which would keep him in an unnatural state regarding his chakra cycle. And, if the need comes to it. Have Samehada recycle that chakra back into Kisame to further break it.

It sort of is.

@Bold, chakra depletion? That doesn't at all stop Itachi from casting genjutsu on him. The chakra in the head is being controlled, only chakra surges could disrupt it. That would be like saying an Uchiha with his sharingan activated can't be put into genjutsu because their chakra is being depleted, or anyone in the middle of performing a jutsu couldn't either.

@Underlined, yeah he would first have to realize he's in one before any assistance from Samehada could be afforded.

 

[Dantee]

It doesnt matter. Inflicting pain is a method of breaking genjutsu. He has been able to do so without beibg able to move

Maybe in a paralysis genjutsu. A genjutsu that distorts reality like the one Diedara was in Kisame might not even know he's in a genjutsu to begin with until it's to late.

 

[slaton02]

As u can see samehada didnt absorb it dumbass he just split the fireball....if samehada gets hit with ama theres no way for him to get it off.

-_- *should I tell him?.......yeah I will* sir the fire ball split CAUSE IT WAS ABSORBED lol the sides didn't get absorbed cause it was out of the absorbtion range. smh some people

 

[Europa]

Amaterasu doesn't make travel so he will be hit. Samehada doesn't like fire and has shown to disobey it's user. The possibilities of it wanting to asorb Amaterasu is slim to none. Not to mention once Kisame is hit and inactive. Itachi effortlessly kicks Samehada to a bush somewhere and lets Kisame burn.

This is a fairly useless post... Let's begin cracking into it then.

1: Samehada doesn't like fire. True, but is still absorbed the fire. Without Any Damage. I've supplied this evidence in the previous post.

2: Samehada has never. What occured between Bee, Kisame, and Samehada was all apart of the plan to get Kisame close to Bee and Naruto. In fact, he has shown to even force the sword to do his

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3: As for Amaterasu, it obviously does or Ay and Obito wouldn't of reacted to it before being hit.

 

[Prince Charles]

It's not outlandish for Kisame to establish with the sword to start a process of having Samehada drain his chakra slowly, which would certainly make him have an irregular flow of chakra which is what is needed to break Genjutsu.

Yeah that's if kisame realized his in a genjutsu.

And as for samehada disrupting kisame's chakra flow even then it doesnt make it a absolute counter.

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As you can see the highlighted word, POSSIBLE doesn't mean absolute so samehada may still not even work.

 

[Europa]

@Bold, chakra depletion? That doesn't at all stop Itachi from casting genjutsu on him. The chakra in the head is being controlled, only chakra surges could disrupt it. That would be like saying an Uchiha with his sharingan activated can't be put into genjutsu because their chakra is being depleted, or anyone in the middle of performing a jutsu couldn't either.

@Underlined, yeah he would first have to realize he's in one before any assistance from Samehada could be afforded.

You seem to miss the point. Is having the chakra torn from you not different from naturally having chakra depleted? And, once more. This can all occur prior to a genjutsu takes place. Kisame knows all about Itachi's talents in Genjutsu and would take the means to prevent falling in it.

 

[itachi4real]

Bee broke it almost instantly, Sasuke looked down then looked back and Bee lariat'd him that's pretty much instant. 2 you have know clue what Samehada would know or not know what are you basing that off of? btw samehada isn't some tool it's seem to be a living creature.

But he wasnt hit with tsukuyomi...if he was hit with tsukuyomi bee would be done....now its just like u said samehada is a living creature soooo tell me how does he absorb ama when its not chakra??