[Discussion] An "ideal world"?

[Amanwithnoplan]

Exactly, the sad reality of the Orwellian type world we live in.

I would propose it's closer to Huxley's portrayal (Brave New World).

Ah great, question his knowledge about pain, then condemn anyone who makes a stupid decision be killed, that'll help the world...If you want another dictatorship and for the people to be living in fear.

What fear? The fear that they can't read trash that numbs the mind? Or the fear that watching a show that teaches ignorance and *******ish behavior?
On the real, I understand that lack of information and censorship cannot belong in a Utopian society, at least not a true Utopia. I just really, really hate twilight and jersey shore.

More like study hitler and his Germany without religion, better example.

Hitler may not have adhered to a single religion, but he believed in God, "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." - Hitler.

Did Confucious say that? jk

Anyway, you have some good ideas, and keep thinking that way, search for your ideal world. However, your salutions are a little one sided. Women are great, but yes I think they lack the ability to clear their minds and come up with probable solutions. Yes legalizing cannabis sounds like a good idea, but like everything else, it would eventually be ruined by greed, not criminal greed, but the worst kind of greed, faceless corporate greed. Prostitution, sure why not. Religion, through morals and devine rules, it keeps people in check. We as a race are nothing but animals, yes laws are in place, but the concept of a higher power watching and judging us keeps us in line. I don't think we would be better without it. As for the energy problem, the first world countries are the ones that produce most of the world's polution, otherwise, lets get old school and walk everywhere.

It might have been Confucius, more likely was Gandhi haha.

A Utopia is nearly impossible to achieve world wide, I don't think that there is much debate about that. But you can still live in the way you think is best for the world and yourself, becoming the example of your Utopian ideals in a way. If you are lucky enough, your actions may touch someone else, or even a group of people, and then through them your ideas and notions can live on, possibly even into a time where a REAL Utopia is achievable.

The thread poster put out an interesting topic, with some interesting points. The problem is my Utopia is not necessarily everyone's Utopia, as shown through this thread. And since there is no consensus to what a perfect Utopia should be, there can not be one in our time.
But what's important is that you live a life you can be proud of. If your conscious is clear at night, then that's all you can really ask for.

 

[masterylucain]

Even if it was only two countries, point is, it's possible~~

Sure, religion keeps people in check, for those who believe in it. If they're definition of "in check" is blowing up a bunch of innocent people because that's how you're supposed to get into heaven...

well it's better than what we'd be in without religion. WE'd be in a way worse position, and those 2 countries have low population, thats one of the main reasons

 

[ultimate ninja king]

Hate it or love it, the world won't be better until all people are wiped off it

 

[Chaotic Blades]

The world only understands pain. we live off of pain, make decisions off of pain, fight over pain,cry over pain, laugh over other people's pain. Know it and completate it

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

Equality in all senses of all people(no poor, no rich people), no violence, world peace..

 

[Anduril]

Its easy to get an ideal world.
Get an ideal human being.
A being who since his childhood has never committed anything that we have defined as wrong. (Never mocked anyone, never raged at anyone, Never cheated in exams, Is not taking drugs etc. etc.)
Before making the world ideal think about yourself.
There is a quote from the Father of our nation.

"Be the change u want to see in the world"​

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

Its easy to get an ideal world.
Get an ideal human being.
A being who since his childhood has never committed anything that we have defined as wrong. (Never mocked anyone, never raged at anyone, Never cheated in exams, Is not taking drugs etc. etc.)
Before making the world ideal think about yourself.
There is a quote from the Father of our nation.

"Be the change u want to see in the world"​

haha I quoted the exact same line from him earlier in the thread.

 

[Deadai]

Hate it or love it, the world won't be better until all people are wiped off it

this is a pretty dark look on life but realistic I agree

 

[Amanwithnoplan]

Hate it or love it, the world won't be better until all people are wiped off it

That's not true. There was a time when man lived harmoniously with nature. Which means it could happen again.

 

[Anduril]

haha I quoted the exact same line from him earlier in the thread.

lol then i will add to it xd
If u dont follow this then u are just an hypocrite xd

 

[Dragonfly X]

With or without all of those things, the main problem still becomes, any time you bottle up a bunch of random human beings, it becomes a microcosm, and you get the good and the bad. And I think that is unavoidable unless you censor who you want in and out, but then it isn't really a utopia anymore is it? All it is is just a "This person is better than this guy because of..." And you start judging people, and I am sure eventually people would try to pay their way in, or fight their way in, and the utopia would come crashing down around them. Because it is like an ship, once a leak starts happening, it compounds so fast it is usually impossible to stop it. Once the utopia is filled with even one person who's morals are not pure, who's ideals are only what is best for them, then the utopia ceases to be a utopia

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.
Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?

No issue with the more Women. Agree on the less crime, less war, etc. Not sure about the environmental committment because it believe that most scientific research detailing the effects on the environment seem to be coming from men. Another thing to consider is that most products that end up in landfills are marketed towards Women. Aside from that, society in general stems from Women. So hats off to the fairer ***.

Legalize Pot and Pros. I understand your argument. Folks argue about Alcohol prohibition and the violence that it generated until it became legal. Also they point out our overcrowding prison systems most inmates are in jail for drug offenses, which in turn make it next to impossible for ex-cons to get a decent job so they go back to taking or selling drugs. So let's consider making it legal. It's now cheap, generates tax revenue and is readily available and folks are no longer going to jail. Problem is that something else that is illegal would just take it's place and the cycle of hatred continues (sorry couldn't resist). As for prostitution, I'm not sure why it would result in less human trafficing. Are you saying that now that it is legal, those that deal with the *** trade will have plenty of ready and willing participants, and they won't exploit and force individuals to work against their will? Hell, I'm exploited as worker and it's perfectly legal.

Religion. Oh boy! No doubt about it. Lots of blood on everyones hands in the name of this deity or that one, but good also comes from religion and most religions do assist with that whole societal moral code thingy. Suffice it to say I'm not religious but I beleive religions moral codes are good for society. Especially for those that aren't intelligent enough to figure it out on their own.

How would I make an ideal world? Begin by taking care of folks basic necessities, food, clothing, shelter then Educate, Educate, Educate, or I could finish this ice cream cone. mmmmmmm chocolate...

 

[xXHashirama SenjuXx]

The way you described the woman to man ratio you implied that women would be better decision makers, which I question. I often find that women make decisions on emotion, whereas big decision that affect a country need to be made on logic and reason.

Legalize Pot. All the way.
Don't care about the whores though.
No religion is impossible. And in the example you provided, it was good to see that the families of the deceased were able to find comfort in the passing of young lives. Who are you to decide what method's are appropriate for dealing with pain?
Religion can be a helpful tool but when taken to the extremes, as with all things, it becomes problematic.
Renewable energy and clean fuels by company's worldwide would be nice, but the eventuality of such a phenomenon is still many, many years away.

I would add that people should all be capable of speaking multiple languages.
And that shows like Jersey Shore and books like Twilight, which effectively make people dumber, should be ban. Anyone who is caught violating that edict should be killed.

I couldn't agree more with what he said. I love women but when it comes to impotent stuff leave it to the men. Then again idk how well we are doing to. we have had 2 world wars while we ruled
lol

I'm tired of you guys always saying that if there where less males and more women that crime would go down. Females can kill, r*pe, steal and do bad sh*t to dammit! This reminds me of childcare rules (use to work for a daycare) that a man can't have a kid sit on his lap but for a female its okay. Well now that's just not right its being sexist and its just down right wrong!

 

[lonesome boy]

the world would be a better place w/o fools & morons like you

 

[Piccolosan]

You guys should read Plato's Republic...he creates the ideal city-state (society)

 

[Cyborg]

Lol, I list out a few things I think would make the world better and suddenly what I want is a world of mindless drones devoid of originality... People with robot bodies and brainwashing... etc.

Will there really be no humanity if we remove religion, legalize weed and prostitution and stop being so greedy? We're all going to become "****ing" robots. (I don't see why the cursing is so necessary, tbh.)

It's not like a greed at a lower level than this government's is unheard of. You see other countries with things like universal healthcare and a more earnest dedication to the preservation of the environment.

Yes, they won't.

Its easy to get an ideal world.
Get an ideal human being.
A being who since his childhood has never committed anything that we have defined as wrong. (Never mocked anyone, never raged at anyone, Never cheated in exams, Is not taking drugs etc. etc.)
Before making the world ideal think about yourself.
There is a quote from the Father of our nation.
True, and that happens how often.....?

"Be the change u want to see in the world"​

You guys should read Plato's Republic...he creates the ideal city-state (society)

Does he, really?

 

[emovt]

The author of this thread is messed up.No religion(are you serious)

 

[|KirA|]

7:3 women men ratio *_* 7 women for me and 2 losers that die alone *_*

 

[Xentinel]

Everyone has their own opinion. So do I, which is completely an opposite of your view.

I dont understand, why people are obsessed for money. I lived in a DC, everything I need is just there to provide, Im truly appreciate for who i am. I believe you might share the same thing as i am. Now, think .. why you want to increase the country's income more by following your ideas where you have everything that has satisfied you.

The real problem is Money, not religion, including the ideas that you suggest. People fight for money, people commit homicide for money, people close their eyes for the evil for money, if you are obsessed with money then you might has fall in that category too.

My view is, there's no need to be fortune and let the country prosper more. As long, your daily needs has meet you. As long, the good is conserve and the bad is corrected.

 

[daraban]

I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.
Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?

WELL ... ur wrong about religion ... that is what separates us from one another .... otherwise u would only see preosts on the street ! .... but the women / man idea .... i can go with that ... in fact that is a perfect idea ... so that the "man" would be more rare and apreciated .... and have 4-5 women .... very nice idea .... yeah )))