[Discussion] An "ideal world"?

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I know this read my last posts...and I never said humans will ever achieve a Utopia.
But you said they should try, you don't try to stop breathing, and you don't try to suddenly have the power to shoot power from your finger tips. Why try to obtain the impossible. It will just mess things up even more.

Take a tunnel for example, you would just make the minimum requirements to build it, and skimp on the safety requirements, you are all about the end result. Who cares if the tunnel is unsafe. Do you know how many people would fall by the wayside trying to get to a utopia? Who cares about fixing the problems of today when we can prepare to be better tomorrow. Why try and fix something that isn't permanent when eventually you will get to be perfect.

If you try to bubble the world, you will get all the flaws the world has in it as well, unless you have a magic wand to make people perfect too...
 

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But you said they should try, you don't try to stop breathing, and you don't try to suddenly have the power to shoot power from your finger tips. Why try to obtain the impossible. It will just mess things up even more.

Take a tunnel for example, you would just make the minimum requirements to build it, and skimp on the safety requirements, you are all about the end result. Who cares if the tunnel is unsafe. Do you know how many people would fall by the wayside trying to get to a utopia? Who cares about fixing the problems of today when we can prepare to be better tomorrow. Why try and fix something that isn't permanent when eventually you will get to be perfect.

If you try to bubble the world, you will get all the flaws the world has in it as well, unless you have a magic wand to make people perfect too...
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But you said they should try, you don't try to stop breathing, and you don't try to suddenly have the power to shoot power from your finger tips. Why try to obtain the impossible. It will just mess things up even more.

Take a tunnel for example, you would just make the minimum requirements to build it, and skimp on the safety requirements, you are all about the end result. Who cares if the tunnel is unsafe. Do you know how many people would fall by the wayside trying to get to a utopia? Who cares about fixing the problems of today when we can prepare to be better tomorrow. Why try and fix something that isn't permanent when eventually you will get to be perfect.

If you try to bubble the world, you will get all the flaws the world has in it as well, unless you have a magic wand to make people perfect too...
o_O its possible to stop breathing and its also possible to shoot from your finger tips, surgically remove the finger and replace it with a gun...nothing is impossible, long ago people thought humans will never fly...
Impossible is just a word people use as an excuse, if you try to reach something "impossible" that doesn't mean be unsafe or skip and have flaws. What your saying is that it will eventually happen so why try ...not the best motivation there U_U
 

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o_O its possible to stop breathing and its also possible to shoot from your finger tips, surgically remove the finger and replace it with a gun...nothing is impossible, long ago people thought humans will never fly...
Impossible is just a word people use as an excuse, if you try to reach something "impossible" that doesn't mean be unsafe or skip and have flaws. What your saying is that it will eventually happen so why try ...not the best motivation there U_U
I should have clarified that, you can't WILL yourself to stop breathing, etc
 

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I think something that people are missing(not everyone) is the us humans, are not perfect. Even if everyone does want a utopian society, there will still be millions of people whose actions dont meet their words. Now we all strive for a utopian society because we know that we are far from it. WE have bad, we make bad, we wanna fix it, or inforce it. That's one part, and then are others who try to end this(the badness) with full force, but it surley will take more than one human lifetime to accomplish such a feat , as a mater of fact, in 1,000,000 life times(literally). Without a form of violence this cannot be possible, and even accomplishing that in one lifetime is extreamly difficult without not being able to enjoy your accomplishment for a long period of time. Look at Napolean, Hitler, Sovient Unninon, Rome, and the dude(i forgot his name) who basically formed China(in the late B.C's though). Im just adding this in, but america CAN be a stupid hard headed fool and use nuclear bombs to rule the eart. But anyways that doesnt matter right now. Were you paying attention to what Nagato said to Naruto? He said if he were to have all 9 beasts, he would use that power to devastate a whole Land(like leand fo fire, land of water ect.)Once he died, that temporary peace would be destoyed, and a new war for that weapons shall happen, the weapon shall again be used, and then a new era of temporary peace, the cycle continues. I think when we talk, we should also use some quotes from naruto,im not tryin to be nerdy, but theres some wise stuff there. We want, yet we might not eever have.
 

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I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.

Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?
WTH NO RELIGION!?!?.....I LOVE THIS GIRL!!!:pwease::overjoy::glomp^^<3<3<3
 

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If you don't have any feasible idea of how to get rid of religion than you shouldn't even bring it up.

Your logic example is not logical. Yes cutting the trees gives immediate resources, but a logical thinker needs to see beyond the immediate needs. You are confusing greed and logic.
At this point it would be fitting to go into a discussion about how a universal set of morals would be needed to be able to create a world where people's logic was not overrun by their desire for little green pieces of paper. But I don't feeling like typing a dissertation, so I won't.
In the end, wishing for an ideal world is great. But if you can't conceive of methods to implement it, it means nothing. And even if you can create the methods, if you don't actually do something it means nothing. My point being, talking about things doesn't get anything done.
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
Did Confucious say that? jk

Anyway, you have some good ideas, and keep thinking that way, search for your ideal world. However, your salutions are a little one sided. Women are great, but yes I think they lack the ability to clear their minds and come up with probable solutions. Yes legalizing cannabis sounds like a good idea, but like everything else, it would eventually be ruined by greed, not criminal greed, but the worst kind of greed, faceless corporate greed. Prostitution, sure why not. Religion, through morals and devine rules, it keeps people in check. We as a race are nothing but animals, yes laws are in place, but the concept of a higher power watching and judging us keeps us in line. I don't think we would be better without it. As for the energy problem, the first world countries are the ones that produce most of the world's polution, otherwise, lets get old school and walk everywhere.
 

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What you want is a boring, lifeless, dreadful world of mindless fucking robots.
Something like that is described in the movie 'Equilibrium' and the game 'Mirorr's Edge'.
So no, get lost, and flush your utopic idealism down the drain.
Lol, I list out a few things I think would make the world better and suddenly what I want is a world of mindless drones devoid of originality... People with robot bodies and brainwashing... etc.

Will there really be no humanity if we remove religion, legalize weed and prostitution and stop being so greedy? We're all going to become "****ing" robots. (I don't see why the cursing is so necessary, tbh.)

It's not like a greed at a lower level than this government's is unheard of. You see other countries with things like universal healthcare and a more earnest dedication to the preservation of the environment.
 

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Lol, I list out a few things I think would make the world better and suddenly what I want is a world of mindless drones devoid of originality... People with robot bodies and brainwashing... etc.

Will there really be no humanity if we remove religion, legalize weed and prostitution and stop being so greedy? We're all going to become "****ing" robots. (I don't see why the cursing is so necessary, tbh.)

It's not like a greed at a lower level than this government's is unheard of. You see other countries with things like universal healthcare and a more earnest dedication to the preservation of the environment.
yeah the only coutnry i can think of is canada and i think australia. And Religion is what keeps us in check, i belivee someone said that before. We dont relly inforce our "Concious" (sorry for my misspelling)
 

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yeah the only coutnry i can think of is canada and i think australia. And Religion is what keeps us in check, i belivee someone said that before. We dont relly inforce our "Concious" (sorry for my misspelling)
Even if it was only two countries, point is, it's possible~~

Sure, religion keeps people in check, for those who believe in it. If they're definition of "in check" is blowing up a bunch of innocent people because that's how you're supposed to get into heaven...
 
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