[Discussion] An "ideal world"?

[Jack Spicer]

What you want is a boring, lifeless, dreadful world of mindless fucking robots.
Something like that is described in the movie 'Equilibrium' and the game 'Mirorr's Edge'.
So no, get lost, and flush your utopic idealism down the drain.

Flaw's right.

A perfect world is boring.

 

[Piccolosan]

What you want is a boring, lifeless, dreadful world of mindless fucking robots.
Something like that is described in the movie 'Equilibrium' and the game 'Mirorr's Edge'.
So no, get lost, and flush your utopic idealism down the drain.

Boring? Is that what you really think this is about. Why don't you stop being spoiled in your fun life? Tell that to a husband in Africa who's wife got raped and killed because of rebels or to the mother who lost a child because there is no food and she had to see her child suffer for days until he/she donation died? The only way to make this world better is to try to obtain a Utopia. Why don't you get your head out your ass and stop being ignorant...your watching too many movies...

 

[Flaw]

Boring? Is that what you really think this is about. Why don't you stop being spoiled in your fun life? Tell that to a husband in Africa who's wife got raped and killed because of rebels or to the mother who lost a child because there is no food and she had to see her child suffer for days until he/she donation died? The only way to make this world better is to try to obtain a Utopia. Why don't you get your head out your ass and stop being ignorant...your watching too many movies...

You accuse me of watching too many movies. I accuse you of being a simple-minded retard.
The human mind is divided in two. Outlaw acts like racism, rape and homicide are the result of the dark side of the human mind. But without bad, there is no good. What a potential Utopia would aim for is removing the evil, but how is that possible ? You can't persuade everyone into behaving according to your will, unless you completely cut their links to whatever it is that makes them human, be it good or bad. What the retard who created this thread non-deliberately thinks is making everyone follow a world-wide schedule put together by some 'great minds'. This Utopia needs planning, it cannot be done by the entire population agreeing to it, such project needs to be led by someone, as there will be people like me who would stand against it. But if someone will eventually manage to create this Utopia, then they would just stand on top of it, ordering the others around, controlling people's lives like string puppets, and just generally turning them into their Ant Farm. What you do today you will also do tomorrow, you will know it, and approve of it. Nothing will change, there will be no sudden turn of events. That's the only way to achieve Utopia. So tell me. Do you still think such life is worth living ?

I'm not going to brag about the consolation and rewards miserable people like the woman you mentioned earlier will get in heaven, because you would just go on about The Holy Bible being a work of fiction, and I'm not in the mood to get my nerves tread by some daylight dreaming faggot.

 

[Lucifer]

What you want is a boring, lifeless, dreadful world of mindless fucking robots.
Something like that is described in the movie 'Equilibrium' and the game 'Mirorr's Edge'.
So no, get lost, and flush your utopic idealism down the drain.

Totally agreed...

-Life without war is hell!!(i mean its boring just my opinion)

 

[Cyborg]

Boring? Is that what you really think this is about. Why don't you stop being spoiled in your fun life? Tell that to a husband in Africa who's wife got raped and killed because of rebels or to the mother who lost a child because there is no food and she had to see her child suffer for days until he/she donation died? The only way to make this world better is to try to obtain a Utopia. Why don't you get your head out your ass and stop being ignorant...your watching too many movies...

And your being fucking naive if you think that the rape or slaughter would ever end. As long as we live in this world, human nature will always exist in any form of society and it is intrinsinc to that nature for there to be inequality, which will lead to frustration and somewhere such outrages will always happen. That is the reality of this world. A utopia which is inhabited by humans, will fall apart because of this fact, some people will always have more and some less, it is an unchangeable truth and that difference will cause resentment and lead to crime/ suffering and wars.

You accuse me of watching too many movies. I accuse you of being a simple-minded retard.
The human mind is divided in two. Outlaw acts like racism, rape and homicide are the result of the dark side of the human mind. But without bad, there is no good. What a potential Utopia would aim for is removing the evil, but how is that possible ? You can't persuade everyone into behaving according to your will, unless you completely cut their links to whatever it is that makes them human, be it good or bad. What the retard who created this thread non-deliberately thinks is making everyone follow a world-wide schedule put together by some 'great minds'. This Utopia needs planning, it cannot be done by the entire population agreeing to it, such project needs to be led by someone, as there will be people like me who would stand against it. But if someone will eventually manage to create this Utopia, then they would just stand on top of it, ordering the others around, controlling people's lives like string puppets, and just generally turning them into their Ant Farm. What you do today you will also do tomorrow, you will know it, and approve of it. Nothing will change, there will be no sudden turn of events. That's the only way to achieve Utopia. So tell me. Do you still think such life is worth living ?

I'm not going to brag about the consolation and rewards miserable people like the woman you mentioned earlier will get in heaven, because you would just go on about The Holy Bible being a work of fiction, and I'm not in the mood to get my nerves tread by some daylight dreaming faggot.

Exactly, the sad reality of the Orwellian type world we live in.

 

[fxwarrior]

Just play this game. Then you will find an ideal world. I can promise you that. This game perfectly potrays how earth should be...

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[IntrovertedKittenNinja]

1. Yes you can because most of the advances in education and science that the church provided is still being used today...so influential it is. Also females also produce testosterone, the hormone that you said influences males aggression O_O

2. No what I meant is that if its legal then its not breaking the law, hence if we legalize murder than no one would be a criminal even if they do kill, get my point? The reason drug department is in a bigger scale, is because overall the drug problem is a bigger problem. No matter what country almost every crime starts with or around drugs. Also about that permit thing, if you pay for it and get the permit you can make it...its that easy. In California if you have a medical marijuana card you can grow it. Just to let you know how easy it is to get that card...you go to the center you pay $30 and they give you a list of about 100 illnesses. If you check even one of those you get it. One is headaches...

3. And I believe its been around a decade since stem cell research was possible so not that long. In fact, Catholic church is not prominent in America to make an impact on that. Also the only reason the "leaders" used religion and went against it is because of the public. If the leaders sees that the public majority is against something they will too be against it...and etc.

4. Im being civil just trying to see how your arguing when you contradict yourself...For instance without greed we would still be in the stone age and you agree on this, but you still want leaders to be less greedy...contradiction.

1. Women have testosterone but on a smaller scale than men. But... evolution and natural selection are influential in a far greater capacity than an institution that used to influence technological advances when they wanted proof the earth was flat and we were the center of the universe and the world was 2000 years old or whatever... ><

2. Okay, but if prostitution was legalized and regulated there would be far less instances of human trafficking because someone who is a prostitute against his/her will would be easier to find, and regular STD tests would be required, making the whole practice of paying for *** safer for both client and prostitute. That's the point I'm driving at, is that if something is legalized it can be regulated by the state or federal (probably state in the cases of marijuana and prostitution) government so that it can be safer. That would be the purpose of legalizing those things. In the case of drugs, I still think we could generate tax revenue on marijuana. We could make it illegal to sell without a permit, regardless of if you carry a med card and have the selling of that taxed to generate money for the state. It would probably not fly all that well for marijuana aficionados but I think if put into practice in time people would get used to it like a tax on cigarettes or something. Especially if you consider that the amount of voting tax payers are a minority.

3. So then, if the public didn't believe in any religion and couldn't be manipulated by those in powers' sympathies toward religion, then there would be no controversy in studying stem cells? What about Don't Ask Don't Tell? Gay Marriage?

4. I said that the same greed that you said allowed us to advance is now stopping us. It was either you or some other poster that said no one wants to study alternative energy because it's too expensive to. Meaning money is an issue. If we were motivated by nobler purposes we would spend the extra money required to advance our technology in alternative energy.

 

[Talk No Jutsu]

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I had some downtime between classes the other day and I got to thinking for some odd reason, what would make an ideal world? I came up with a lot of strange ideas. They included:

-A woman to man ratio of 60:40 in the population
(my friend said it should be 70:30... he probably just wants more girls in the world -.-)
This might sound sexist, but I think it would result in less crime, less war, and more sympathy towards the unfortunate and a stronger dedication to preserving the environment. I mean, women tend to be less aggressive than men and more emotions/feelings/intuition oriented and therefore more likely to find a non-violent solution to a problem.

-Legalize marijuana and prostitution.
Okay, that thought might seriously throw some people, especially the prostitution part, but hear me out. The logic of legalizing marijuana is kind of a given, and if we put a tax on it we could generate income for the state/country. Imo, alcohol causes much more death and unhappiness than marijuana, yet it's perfectly legal. (Provided you're the right age.)

As for prostitution, legalizing it would be a huge blow to organized crime and human trafficking. Think about this-- law enforcement in the U.S. spends as much in a single day tracking down illegal drugs and their sellers as they do a whole year tracking down human trafficking rings. It's horrible, considering that humans, unlike drugs, can be used over and over, are easier to find, and can be psychologically and physically damaged. By legalizing it, we could not only severely lower the amount organized crime makes off of human trafficking, but we can also regulate prostitution and make it safer by requiring regular STD screening checks.

-No religion

This one might be controversial as well. Don't get me wrong, I've seen first-hand the power religion has over people. I went to a dinner for my friend's church, and this couple testified about how their 22 year old son who was gifted in many aspects, art, science, math, language, died saving one of his friends, then, in the following months lost their baby in a miscarriage, and another baby in a few years after. Instead of being angry/depressed they found comfort that their children were with the Lord now, and were almost happy.

Religion also teaches morals and things, this I know, however, I think that a lot of these older morals that religion instills in people is holding us back from advancing as a race.

People fight each other because of religion, condemn people who are different, and people in power whose morals are influenced by it are keeping science and technology from advancing.

-Have every country exclusively use environmentally friendly and renewable energy sources.

...This one is kind of obvious.

Anyway, I had a bunch more but those are the main ones. I had some weird ones like "before you could have children you needed to take and pass an IQ test"

I wish there was like a "world simulation" game where you could control different nuances of the population and the government so I could test my theories out. Something like the sims but on a global and political scale...

So what about you guys? What do YOU think would help create in ideal world? What is an ideal world? Do you agree or disagree with my ideas?

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[Piccolosan]

You accuse me of watching too many movies. I accuse you of being a simple-minded retard.
The human mind is divided in two. Outlaw acts like racism, rape and homicide are the result of the dark side of the human mind. But without bad, there is no good. What a potential Utopia would aim for is removing the evil, but how is that possible ? You can't persuade everyone into behaving according to your will, unless you completely cut their links to whatever it is that makes them human, be it good or bad. What the retard who created this thread non-deliberately thinks is making everyone follow a world-wide schedule put together by some 'great minds'. This Utopia needs planning, it cannot be done by the entire population agreeing to it, such project needs to be led by someone, as there will be people like me who would stand against it. But if someone will eventually manage to create this Utopia, then they would just stand on top of it, ordering the others around, controlling people's lives like string puppets, and just generally turning them into their Ant Farm. What you do today you will also do tomorrow, you will know it, and approve of it. Nothing will change, there will be no sudden turn of events. That's the only way to achieve Utopia. So tell me. Do you still think such life is worth living ?

I'm not going to brag about the consolation and rewards miserable people like the woman you mentioned earlier will get in heaven, because you would just go on about The Holy Bible being a work of fiction, and I'm not in the mood to get my nerves tread by some daylight dreaming faggot.

O_O relax there...what I'm saying is that humans need to strive for a Utopian society. I'm not stupid I know Utopia is just a fantasy. That will never happen, I also agree on your stance that what the thread maker is saying is living by someone else's rule is stupid.
My main point is that humans need to strive for better life and not to just say peace is boring we need wars like you did ...

 

[Cyborg]

1. Women have testosterone but on a smaller scale than men. But... evolution and natural selection are influential in a far greater capacity than an institution that used to influence technological advances when they wanted proof the earth was flat and we were the center of the universe and the world was 2000 years old or whatever... ><

2. Okay, but if prostitution was legalized and regulated there would be far less instances of human trafficking because someone who is a prostitute against his/her will would be easier to find, and regular STD tests would be required, making the whole practice of paying for *** safer for both client and prostitute. That's the point I'm driving at, is that if something is legalized it can be regulated by the state or federal (probably state in the cases of marijuana and prostitution) government so that it can be safer. That would be the purpose of legalizing those things. In the case of drugs, I still think we could generate tax revenue on marijuana. We could make it illegal to sell without a permit, regardless of if you carry a med card and have the selling of that taxed to generate money for the state. It would probably not fly all that well for marijuana aficionados but I think if put into practice in time people would get used to it like a tax on cigarettes or something. Especially if you consider that the amount of voting tax payers are a minority.

3. So then, if the public didn't believe in any religion and couldn't be manipulated by those in powers' sympathies toward religion, then there would be no controversy in studying stem cells? What about Don't Ask Don't Tell? Gay Marriage?

4. I said that the same greed that you said allowed us to advance is now stopping us. It was either you or some other poster that said no one wants to study alternative energy because it's too expensive to. Meaning money is an issue. If we were motivated by nobler purposes we would spend the extra money required to advance our technology in alternative energy.

Study Soviet history. Religion was illegal by state law, and there was more government manipulation of people than any other time in recorded history, gulags etc.

 

[Flaw]

O_O relax there...what I'm saying is that humans need to strive for a Utopian society. I'm not stupid I know Utopia is just a fantasy. That will never happen, I also agree on your stance that what the thread maker is saying is living by someone else's rule is stupid.
My main point is that humans need to strive for better life and not to just say peace is boring we need wars like you did ...

You suck at understanding, don't you ?
I didn't say peace is boring/that I want war. All I said is that if you were too remove all evil, you will also remove all good, thus reducing everything to nothing.
So, instead of thinking of all the incest, rape, racism and war, I just enjoy the bright side of the things, with the risk of being shot dead for my wallet or being ran over by a drunken bus driver.
It's simple like that.

 

[Piccolosan]

Study Soviet history. Religion was illegal by state law, and there was more government manipulation of people than any other time in recorded history, gulags etc.

More like study hitler and his Germany without religion, better example.

Also to your response to me, if you don't don't know what I'm posting don't respond. Where did I say that a Utopia is possible? Don't be stupid, what I was saying is that attitude that life would be boring so we should strife for peace or better society...

 

[Dragonfly X]

The way you described the woman to man ratio you implied that women would be better decision makers, which I question. I often find that women make decisions on emotion, whereas big decision that affect a country need to be made on logic and reason.

Legalize Pot. All the way.
Don't care about the whores though.
No religion is impossible. And in the example you provided, it was good to see that the families of the deceased were able to find comfort in the passing of young lives. Who are you to decide what method's are appropriate for dealing with pain?
Religion can be a helpful tool but when taken to the extremes, as with all things, it becomes problematic.
Renewable energy and clean fuels by company's worldwide would be nice, but the eventuality of such a phenomenon is still many, many years away.

I would add that people should all be capable of speaking multiple languages.
And that shows like Jersey Shore and books like Twilight, which effectively make people dumber, should be ban. Anyone who is caught violating that edict should be killed.

Ah great, question his knowledge about pain, then condemn anyone who makes a stupid decision be killed, that'll help the world...If you want another dictatorship and for the people to be living in fear.

 

[Cyborg]

More like study hitler and his Germany without religion, better example.

Also to your response to me, if you don't don't know what I'm posting don't respond. Where did I say that a Utopia is possible? Don't be stupid, what I was saying is that attitude that life would be boring so we should strife for peace or better society...

Right here, you inbred retard:

Boring? Is that what you really think this is about. Why don't you stop being spoiled in your fun life? Tell that to a husband in Africa who's wife got raped and killed because of rebels or to the mother who lost a child because there is no food and she had to see her child suffer for days until he/she donation died? The only way to make this world better is to try to obtain a Utopia. Why don't you get your head out your ass and stop being ignorant...your watching too many movies...

Why would you try to obtain something that is'nt possible, unless you willingly confess what you said was bull thus answering your own question, idiot.

 

[Dragonfly X]

Boring? Is that what you really think this is about. Why don't you stop being spoiled in your fun life? Tell that to a husband in Africa who's wife got raped and killed because of rebels or to the mother who lost a child because there is no food and she had to see her child suffer for days until he/she donation died? The only way to make this world better is to try to obtain a Utopia. Why don't you get your head out your ass and stop being ignorant...your watching too many movies...

The only way to obtain a utopia is with one person in charge, there can never be a true utopia because there is greed, there is immorality, and there is hate. Everyone wants their choices to be the best thing possible. By striving toward the false hope of a utopia, all we do is delude ourselves more, while continually oppressing the people. Remove government, remove the basic structure while keeping everyone happy in a mini-society will only result in anarchy. People are greedy, they want whatever they get their hands on. It is unavoidable.

If you think everyone would be happy, content, and there would be no wars if a utopia was created, you are the one who has been reading too much fairy tales. Because there is never equality, we say women are equal here, yet the double standards are insane. We say that everyone has equal opportunity to move up in the workforce, but do you see the people picking oranges day after day become CEO? No... There is always a minority and a majority. Even if the people who wanted the utopia created were the majority, there would still be some opposing it, so what then, will you compromise your own ideals and force them out? Kill them? Perhaps you will deny them of their freedom.

All we do anymore is strive to be perfect, yet perfection is unattainable, you can never look like the girl or boy in the magazines, nor can you have the perfect family with a mom and dad, 2.5 kids, a picket fence, and a dog...
Life sucks, you can try to improve it, but don't try and seek the impossible.

 

[Piccolosan]

Right here, you inbred retard:

Why would you try to obtain something that is'nt possible, unless you willingly confess what you said was bull thus answering your own question, idiot.

Utopia is a perfect world...not reachable...but anything close to perfect is good too. So reaching for something that's unreachable will get you at least second best. Besides youtube just proved yourself to be an idiot so please gtfo this thread U_U

 

[Piccolosan]

The only way to obtain a utopia is with one person in charge, there can never be a true utopia because there is greed, there is immorality, and there is hate. Everyone wants their choices to be the best thing possible. By striving toward the false hope of a utopia, all we do is delude ourselves more, while continually oppressing the people. Remove government, remove the basic structure while keeping everyone happy in a mini-society will only result in anarchy. People are greedy, they want whatever they get their hands on. It is unavoidable.

If you think everyone would be happy, content, and there would be no wars if a utopia was created, you are the one who has been reading too much fairy tales. Because there is never equality, we say women are equal here, yet the double standards are insane. We say that everyone has equal opportunity to move up in the workforce, but do you see the people picking oranges day after day become CEO? No... There is always a minority and a majority. Even if the people who wanted the utopia created were the majority, there would still be some opposing it, so what then, will you compromise your own ideals and force them out? Kill them? Perhaps you will deny them of their freedom.

All we do anymore is strive to be perfect, yet perfection is unattainable, you can never look like the girl or boy in the magazines, nor can you have the perfect family with a mom and dad, 2.5 kids, a picket fence, and a dog...
Life sucks, you can try to improve it, but don't try and seek the impossible.

I know this read my last posts...and I never said humans will ever achieve a Utopia.

 

[Flaw]

Utopia is a perfect world...not reachable...but anything close to perfect is good too. So reaching for something that's unreachable will get you at least second best. Besides youtube just proved yourself to be an idiot so please gtfo this thread U_U

You should get away from the computer, and see the colors of the outside world. Like, right now. You are already being robotized.

 

[Cyborg]

Utopia is a perfect world...not reachable...but anything close to perfect is good too. So reaching for something that's unreachable will get you at least second best. Besides youtube just proved yourself to be an idiot so please gtfo this thread U_U

Even for such a simple response, you still manage to fail, faggot.

 

[Piccolosan]

You suck at understanding, don't you ?
I didn't say peace is boring/that I want war. All I said is that if you were too remove all evil, you will also remove all good, thus reducing everything to nothing.
So, instead of thinking of all the incest, rape, racism and war, I just enjoy the bright side of the things, with the risk of being shot dead for my wallet or being ran over by a drunken bus driver.
It's simple like that.

You inferred it with your first post.
I agree with you evil is necessary for good to exist, but you attitude of just think of the good stuff will allow evil to prevail...