Agree or nah? "Sasukes an idiot..."

[Darth Uchiha]

Sasuke's selfish yet he always wanted tk avenge his families death.Sasuke's selfish yet he wanted to avenge Itachi aswell after he found out the truth,and wanted to destroy Konoha for what they did to his family.Sasuke's selfish yet he cried over Itachi's death.Sasuke's self yet he wants to protect Konoha,and make sure no one geos through what he Itachi and his whole family did,Sasuke's selfish yet he wants to change the world by overthrowing the messed up old world and system andcreate a better new one?

Yeah everything is about Sasuke,he obvoiusly deosn't care about anyone else which is why he fought alongside Naruto to save the world from Infinite Tsukuyomi,against Obito,Madara,and Kaguya.Yes he is completely selfish.

His families MASSACRE,which he witnessed and which the truth was hidden away by the NATIONS LEADERS,is part of why he wants to change things.

Is what Sasuke thinks about the Shinobi world and system untrue?

Rins Death made Obito realize that the world is filled with hatred,suffereing,anger,fighting,War,death etc and he wanted to change that.Thats a good reason to want to change the world - to stop that,and Sasuke wants to end it to.But rather than force everyone into a Genjutsu and control them he wants to overthrow the current leaders of the messed up Shinobi world and system and create a new better one.

If he wanted to rule through fear like someone else said than why would he want to dispel the Infinite Tsukuyomi when everyones already trapped within it.Now is the best time to control everyone.

Im not saying everything they do is right,but their reasons for wanting to do it is understandable.People get mad of their internet connection is slow yet Sasuke and Obito are so hard to understand.

Um...Sasuke's revenge was the very definition of selfish, up to the part where he decided that all of Konoha needed to die for Itachi's sacrifice, including the countless innocents (read, 99.9% of the villagers) that didn't even know about the reason for the massacre and sympathized with the Uchiha.

What Sasuke thinks may be true, but his method for change is as flawed as Obito's. Rin's death was awful, and it did make him realize how messed up the shinobi system was, but killing innocents and enslaving everyone against their will is wrong no matter how much you try to justify it. Sasuke is basically equivalent to a school shooter, sure, you know why they did it, and may even sympathize with the person, but deciding innocents need to die for your pain is wrong.

And, you honestly think Sasuke intends to create a better system, or that he even can? To begin with, Sasuke can barely control himself and has subpar leadership skills (basically follow me or I'll kill you principle). Second, he likely intends to just rule as a tyrant, I mean, honestly, what do you think he intends by killing the world leaders and sealing the only tools the people can use to rise against him (the bijuu). When he intends to eliminate everything that could stand in his way, what else could his reform be? If anything, what he plans seems to be worse than Infinite Tsukuyomi, as people will be miserable, at least they could be happy in IT.

 

[King Of Pop]

All you did was make excuses for him. That doesn't change the fact that he actually did all those things.

If everyone could stop making excuses to why he did something, and just face facts that he did it, they would realize Sasuke's life choices have been terrible since he was 13.

not really, i just pointed out facts to shut down your biased points. you know you are biased when you hold it against sasuke for killing his brother- same person who took everything from him. you only look at him one way only. bold is nothing but your opinion not fully supported by manga.

you're the fool here, because in order or Sasuke to even be that person, he has to have INSIGHT. Pick up a dictionary for once in your life and look up the definition of 'insight'. Sasuke clearly lacks insight, otherwise Black Zetsu wouldn't have had to spell out to him why Kaguya kept her MT victims alive.

he does have insight dumbass. he understands how much this system has failed as hes a victim of it, he knows what his brother passed through, his clans massacre is part of the twisted system he wants to abolish as they were murdered due to the orders of the higher orps of the village heck he faced off with danzo. sasuke understands it all. his talk with the hokages opened his eyes further so hes decided that for shinobis to be freed from the clutches of darkness the current system needs to go. he doesnt want what happened to his brother and clan happen again.

 

[Wildtangent]

Sasuke's not an idiot, he's just misguided.

I agree with this.

IMO I kind of see it as similiar to the concept kill a few save a thousand. And you can probably also argue that what he is doing is exactly what they ( the leaf) did to his clan. The leaf killed off his clan because they couldn't control them and they were planning create chaos. So in turn Sasuke is killing off the kages to prevent future chaos and create new standards.

I would also argue that by keeping the old powers in control change would be really hard if not impossible. Most humans don't like change and only do so as a last resort or because they are made too.

I believe that in this situation (Naruto and Sasuke) there really isn't a right or wrong answer. Both have pros and cons.

 

[King Of Pop]

Sure but he left the village mainly because Naruto was progressing faster than him.

not really, itachi beat him up, told him he was weak and mindraped him. that made sasuke realise he hadent progressed much from before when he was younger.

 

[AlphaScythian]

And what gives Sasuke the right to ask them to step down. Who died and made him King of the world.

Who gives right to any one? They will die and he be the king, they failed at their job, world isnt any safer then warring states era.
When government fails it gets removed, they either go away good way or bad way.

He wants to kill all of the current leaders and become the sole leader himself, while simultaneously destroying the power sources that could potentially give anyone in the world the means to fight back against him, and of course no one in the world in their right mind would follow him unless he forced them to with fear. If you can call that anything but a tyrant I'd like to hear it.

Bijus were used as weapons before him, they have to go.

He intends to become hokage not worldkage, other kages shall die to cuz failed at bringing peace and pose a risk of waging war against konoha under revolution.

Tyrant: a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly. Sasuke so far isnt being unjust or oppresive against world population , kages and naruto are the sacrifices any revolution has U_U

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I googled the word selfish,here's what i found


adjective
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
"I joined them for selfish reasons"

Is wanting to avenge your famalies murders selfish? Is wanting to avenge your parents who were killed selfish? Or your brother?

I literally typed that im not saying everything they did was right yet you say ik trying to justify Sasuke and Obito killing innocents.The Shinobi world/Systek killed far more innocents than Obito And Sasuke,they have went into three big wars with each other which shitted on small villages like the Rain which became their battleground which Nagato himself has said,chaoter 436,page 8.

We don't know the details of Sasuke's plan,you're assuming things about it.He wants to get rid of the Bijuu cause they are a major part of why things have happened,he knows wars were settled for them.They were used as power which,obvoiusly countries could use as weapons - chapter 404 page 14

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

not really, itachi beat him up, told him he was weak and mindraped him. that made sasuke realise he hadent progressed much from before when he was younger.

What he said. Some times being unbiased can take a person very far.

 

[WalksInShadows]

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he does have insight dumbass. he understands how much this system has failed as hes a victim of it, he knows what his brother passed through, his clans massacre is part of the twisted system he wants to abolish as they were murdered due to the orders of the higher orps of the village heck he faced off with danzo. sasuke understands it all. his talk with the hokages opened his eyes further so hes decided that for shinobis to be freed from the clutches of darkness the current system needs to go. he doesnt want what happened to his brother and clan happen again.

yes, he has so much insight, he got stark raving mad at Konoha for using Itachi when he was told Itachi chose to do what he did, sweared vengeance on an entire world for what a few ppl did, had to be told why Kaguya kept her MT victims alive, and failed to learn from others' mistakes...even when he had a front row seat to learn from them. Yeah, Sasuke possesses so much insight

The thing that makes your opinion even more funny is that Naruto is ridiculed as being the dumb one, yet he has shown the ability to learn from others when given the same exact opportunity.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I googled the word selfish,here's what i found


adjective
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
"I joined them for selfish reasons"

Is wanting to avenge your famalies murders selfish? Is wanting to avenge your parents who were killed selfish? Or your brother?

I literally typed that im not saying everything they did was right yet you say ik trying to justify Sasuke and Obito killing innocents.The Shinobi world/Systek killed far more innocents than Obito And Sasuke,they have went into three big wars with each other which shitted on small villages like the Rain which became their battleground which Nagato himself has said,chaoter 436,page 8.

We don't know the details of Sasuke's plan,you're assuming things about it.He wants to get rid of the Bijuu cause they are a major part of why things have happened,he knows wars were settled for them.They were used as power which,obvoiusly countries could use as weapons - chapter 404 page 14

If wanting to avenge your parents' deaths leads to the deaths of countless innocent people, than yes, it is selfish, and not only selfish, but also insane.

Except that the Current Kage have literally nothing to do with those wars as none of them were acting kages during them (okay, except Onoki) and all of the images were making positive reforms in their villages (case in point, Mei).

And, there wasn't any war actually fought over them, we don't know why the First Shinobi World War began (likely resources) and the Second began as vengeance for the first (similar to WWII). We don't know the reasoning behind the Third either, the only war fought over bijuu was the Fourth Shinobi World War, and that was caused by Obito and Madara (the two trying to obtain peace).

 

[bencoby]

not really, itachi beat him up, told him he was weak and mindraped him. that made sasuke realise he hadent progressed much from before when he was younger.

Yeah I remember that. But he made his final decision to go join Oro after the hospital fight with Naruto. So you can say Naruto is the driving for for that decision.

The thing also is that, no one among the is the leader or the follower since they both see each other as a motivation for self improvement.

 

[bencoby]

Who gives right to any one? They will die and be the king, they failed at their job, world isnt any safer then warring states era.
When goverment fails it gets removed, they either go away good way or bad way.

Bijus were used as weapons before him, they have to go.

He intends to become hokage not worldkage, other kages shall die to cuz failed at bringing peace and pose a risk of waging war against konoha under revolution.

Tyrant: a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly. Sasuke so far isnt being unjust or oppresive against world population , kages and naruto are the sacrifices any revolution has U_U

You do realize that after killing Naruto and the Kages he would become a tyrant right?

 

[Exaar]

Bijus were used as weapons before him, they have to go.

No one can use Bijuu as weapons currently.

Sasuke is the only Uchiha alive and no one has Mokuton. Without either the Sharingan/Rinnegan/Mokuton the bijuu currently are no threat at all to this "New world"

He intends to become hokage not worldkage, other kages shall die to cuz failed at bringing peace and pose a risk of waging war against konoha under revolution.

Cool so sasuke will bring peace by waging war and creating conflict with 4 other nations.

Tyrant: a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly. Sasuke so far isnt being unjust or oppresive against world population , kages and naruto are the sacrifices any revolution has U_U

Well sasuke isn't obviously going to kill the other 4 villages leaders and leave all their citizens/shinobi to fend for themselves. Especially since some of them Shinobi will want to take revenge for sasuke's actions against their former leaders (which only leads to more conflict).

If the citizens/shinobi don't accept sasuke as their leader, What do you think he will do exactly? Let them go?, Kill them?, Or make them accept him?. Because there his only options.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Yeah I remember that. But he made his final decision to go join Oro after the hospital fight with Naruto. So you can say Naruto is the driving for for that decision.

The thing also is that, no one among the is the leader or the follower since they both see each other as a motivation for self improvement.

Sasuke left the village, Naruto went after him. Naruto lost the battle and went back to the village. 3 years later he goes on the search for Sasuke, now tell me who is the leader and follower?

 

[AlphaScythian]

You do realize that after killing Naruto and the Kages he would become a tyrant right?

That's absurd. Laughable at that. He will be a killer murdered but it has nothing to do with being tyrant.
Kids these days U_U

 

[TrollingSage]

I googled the word selfish,here's what i found


adjective
(of a person, action, or motive) lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
"I joined them for selfish reasons"

Is wanting to avenge your famalies murders selfish? Is wanting to avenge your parents who were killed selfish? Or your brother?

I literally typed that im not saying everything they did was right yet you say ik trying to justify Sasuke and Obito killing innocents.The Shinobi world/Systek killed far more innocents than Obito And Sasuke,they have went into three big wars with each other which shitted on small villages like the Rain which became their battleground which Nagato himself has said,chaoter 436,page 8.

We don't know the details of Sasuke's plan,you're assuming things about it.He wants to get rid of the Bijuu cause they are a major part of why things have happened,he knows wars were settled for them.They were used as power which,obvoiusly countries could use as weapons - chapter 404 page 14

Mind telling the ladies and gentlemen why Kaguya ate the fruit then? Oh that's right to stop a bloody war. If the bijuu should be killed because they can be used as war, then Sasuke should be killed because he is the last surviving Uchiha with the power to control the Mazou and revive The jubi and Kaguya. Oh and Sasuke didnt just want to murder innocent civilians, he was also going to ill his own team mate who had saved his life several times and aided him in quest for revenge, simply because he didnt need her anymore.

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[AlphaScythian]

No one can use Bijuu as weapons currently.

No shit, they are at sub orbit now U_U

Sasuke is the only Uchiha alive and no one has Mokuton. Without either the Sharingan/Rinnegan/Mokuton the bijuu currently are no threat at all to this "New world"

Pretty much anyone can become jin, it will lead to walking bomb inside own village or powerful weapons against another.

Cool so sasuke will bring peace by waging war and creating conflict with 4 other nations.

How did you conclude that? I dont see any sign of that.

Well sasuke isn't obviously going to kill the other 4 villages leaders and leave all their citizens/shinobi to fend for themselves. Especially since some of them Shinobi will want to take revenge for sasuke's actions against their former leaders (which only leads to more conflict).

Sure, because sasuke will outright tease them instead saying that they died in crossfire with madz or kaguya U_U

If the citizens/shinobi don't accept sasuke as their leader, What do you think he will do exactly? Let them go?, Kill them?, Or make them accept him?. Because there his only options.

Of couse they will accept him, he has saved them from, kaguya, IT, Obito, Madara. With naruto out of the picture he will be the chosen one. U_U

 

[bencoby]

Sasuke left the village, Naruto went after him. Naruto lost the battle and went back to the village. 3 years later he goes on the search for Sasuke, now tell me who is the leader and follower?

Naruto was not chasing after Sasuke because he was his leader, he went after him because he was his friend what are you talking about?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Naruto was not chasing after Sasuke because he was his leader, he went after him because he was his friend what are you talking about?

What I am trying to say is that Sasuke was the mover of the story where as Naruto was follower of it. Therefore Sasuke had as much importance to the story as Naruto did. They should be seen as equals even as characters.

 

[bencoby]

That's absurd. Laughable at that. He will be a killer murdered but it has nothing to do with being tyrant.
Kids these days U_U

Now, now there is an expansion to what i wrote. You should not jump to conclusion you know.

You have been making absurd posts since you joined the thread.
Do you think Sasuke plans to leave a power vacuum once he eliminates the kages and Naruto?, he would surely want to rules the world.

Now how does he become a tyrant, he does that by killing every last person who would want revenge for the Kages and Naruto.
He would also kill everyone who tries to oppose him, and in the end he would rule over stones.

 

[King Of Pop]

=WalksInShadows;17177270]yes, he has so much insight, he got stark raving mad at Konoha for using Itachi when he was told Itachi chose to do what he did, sweared vengeance on an entire world for what a few ppl did, had to be told why Kaguya kept her MT victims alive, and failed to learn from others' mistakes...even when he had a front row seat to learn from them. Yeah, Sasuke possesses so much insight

from sasukes pov, danzo was the true culprit as he was the one who gave the order for his clans massacred. he was the one who put itachi in that position so sasuke is definitely not going to let it slide. not only did they use his own brother but they lied and covered everything up. in the eyes of everyone in the village itachi was a treatrous villain and he was hated and that angered him. sasuke was upset that they are all living and breathing itachis sacrifice, his whole revenge purpose was a lie so he wants them to pay starting with the elders. the reason he wanted to eliminate everyone is basically what we call eye for an eye, as no uchiha innocents were kept alive, danzo ordered all of them slaughtered so he was going to pay them back in similar manner. at the end his clan were sacrificed for the lives of the villagers and he wasnt happy about that. sasuke then wasnt taking itachis side of view into the equation hence he realized that later on and decided to protect the village. whos mistakes did he fail to learn from as i dont know what you are talking about there.

The thing that makes your opinion even more funny is that Naruto is ridiculed as being the dumb one, yet he has shown the ability to learn from others when given the same exact opportunity.

irrelevant as i never mentioned anything about naruto nor do i care about him.