Agree or nah? "Sasukes an idiot..."

Naruto X Hunter

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Kin
2,304💸
Kumi
1,263💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Yea pretty much, he makes horrible life choices and isn't the bright bulb around.

He betrayed his friends.
Killed his only brother.
Tried to attack all the kages at once.
Teamed up with Obito
Attacked Bee
Revived Orochimaru
Claimed he was going to destroy the Leaf village
Wanted to become Hokage (lel)
And now he want's to kill the kages again.

These are not the actions of a smart person.
Are you stupid? Itachi killed their whole family,which is why Sasuke wanted to kill him. He didn't "team up with Obito" he was using him which he said right before he fought bee,and i think it was chapter 481 or 482 after he fought Danzo Tobi said something like,"She knows too much about us" then Sasuke said,"Us?since when did we become allies.

He didn't attack all the Kages at once,he snuck in to get to Danzo then Zetsu told the Kages Sasuke was there,which is how they found out then the Raikage went to Sasuke then Gaara,after that he went to the meeting room to get Danzo,and was attacked.He even said to the Mizukage to get out of his way - obvoiusly cause he wasn't aiming to fight her.

He wanted to destory Konoha from his anger of his families massacre being secretely planned by the Leaders.Reviving Orochimaru was a great way for him to gain the answers that he wanted,and by becoming the Hokage he wanted to change Konoha and to make sure no one has to go through what his family did.

Now he wants to change the messed up Shinobi world,and messed up Shinobi system,and kill the leaders to the messed up Shinobi world and system.

Have you ever called the Akatsuki stupid for what they've done? Or the Cloud village who tried to kidnap little girls twice?(Kushina And Hinata) or the Sand and Sound Village who invaded Konoha in a attempt to destroy it?

Probably not,instead you biasly hate on Sasuke.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Natsu Shazneel

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
People are saying Sasuke is misguided!? Okay what... he had: Naruto talk to him a few times, Itachi talk to him, All previous Hokage talk to him, the Sage tell him the story of the two brothers, Saw Obito come to a 360 conclusion and he is related to him in some way, Kayuga herself (not directly) talk to him... He's had all of these points of view, all point to an obvious solution to problems in the shinobi world... and he goes for the total opposite of what needs to be done. He wants to be the main guy in charge and do everything his own way, he wants to run from talking to people, what he's always done since he was in part 1. The guy hasn't changed... he was starting to when he was asking for Itachi's answers and asking the Hokage what the meaning of things were... but he's just gone back to the same shit as always.

For that, he is an idiot.

He needs to put his ego aside and listen to people, he needs to work with Naruto and learn how to trust people. He can retain most of his way of thinking, but he needs to tone it down to where it's acceptable. Basically, he needs to grow up. I'm tired of people saying Naruto isn't grown up.. We haven't heard his plan for the system because he was half expecting Sasuke to come to his senses. Naruto knows what needs to be done, but Sasuke won't have any of it until Naruto changes it enough for him to comprehend it. This all being said...What people keep confusing is that Naruto has only stated his ideals, not his plan.

I will end on this note since I'm rambling off.. but yeah.
If anything, Naruto has matured far more, Sasuke is almost the exact same person from part 1, except now he's more like Madara than ever, Naruto, on the other hand, went from being a dumb brat to a brave man, capable of such kindness and compassion that he could turn old rivals into comrades, and change even the most broken souls (Obito and Nagato). Anyone that thinks that Sasuke has grown (even though his goal was pretty much revenge until now), but Naruto hasn't, is either blind or in denial.
 

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
If anything, Naruto has matured far more, Sasuke is almost the exact same person from part 1, except now he's more like Madara than ever, Naruto, on the other hand, went from being a dumb brat to a brave man, capable of such kindness and compassion that he could turn old rivals into comrades, and change even the most broken souls (Obito and Nagato). Anyone that thinks that Sasuke has grown (even though his goal was pretty much revenge until now), but Naruto hasn't, is either blind or in denial.
Sasuke the same exact person as part 1? Just...

You must be registered for see images
 

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Sasuke the same exact person as part 1? Just...

You must be registered for see images
How is he not, tell me. Just like in Part 1, for much of Part 2 he was obsessed with revenge and nothing else, didn't matter who he needed revenge against, or how little sense it made, it was all about vengeance. Now he's still controlling and cold hearted, thinking he knows best and not even bothering to listen to other people's opinions, just like part 1 Sasuke. Hell, he's gotten basically a giant story about how his way of thinking screwed up the shinobi world, yet still refuses to swallow his pride in the face or sense and wisdom, just like part 1 Sasuke.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WalksInShadows

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
How is he not, tell me. Just like in Part 1, for much of Part 2 he was obsessed with revenge and nothing else, didn't matter who he needed revenge against, or how little sense it made, it was all about vengeance. Now he's still controlling and cold hearted, thinking he knows best and not even bothering to listen to other people's opinions, just like part 1 Sasuke. Hell, he's gotten basically a giant story about how his way of thinking screwed up the shinobi world, yet still refuses to swallow his pride in the face or sense and wisdom, just like part 1 Sasuke.
He was obsessed with revenge against who? Yeah his brother. He killed his brother and what was next? Revenge against the leaf elders? Yup mhm he killed the leaf elder Danzo. So far two goals achieved. Third one was destroying the leaf, which he couldn't do because he needed more power. Point is the character Sasuke was before is not now. He has fallen too much in to darkness. If anything he is one character of this manga who actually achieved most of his goals and probably went through many forms of changes. If you do not see that than you are being biased.
 

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
He was obsessed with revenge against who? Yeah his brother. He killed his brother and what was next? Revenge against the leaf elders? Yup mhm he killed the leaf elder Danzo. So far two goals achieved. Third one was destroying the leaf, which he couldn't do because he needed more power. Point is the character Sasuke was before is not now. He has fallen too much in to darkness. If anything he is one character of this manga who actually achieved most of his goals and probably went through many forms of changes. If you do not see that than you are being biased.
You clearly failed to see my point, my point wasn't about who the object of his revenge was, but that he always sought revenge against someone/something. He has barely changed at all, he's still cold and cruel, still controlling, and still needs to destroy something (went from Konoha to the kages and bijuu), Sasuke's basically a mad dog, once he's killed one prey, he'll just find another, he can't be trusted, and can't be afforded freedom.
 

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
You clearly failed to see my point, my point wasn't about who the object of his revenge was, but that he always sought revenge against someone/something. He has barely changed at all, he's still cold and cruel, still controlling, and still needs to destroy something (went from Konoha to the kages and bijuu), Sasuke's basically a mad dog, once he's killed one prey, he'll just find another, he can't be trusted, and can't be afforded freedom.
Yeah well you fail to see the fact, that he was never always this way. There was number of things that happen to him that made him this way. Do you really expect a character to be like Naruto when he literally got mind ****ed by his bro not once but twice?
 

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Yeah well you fail to see the fact, that he was never always this way. There was number of things that happen to him that made him this way. Do you really expect a character to be like Naruto when he literally got mind ****ed by his bro not once but twice?
No, I expect him to be able to make sensible decisions as a near adult after he heard Itachi's story, Hashirama's story, Obito's story, and most importantly, Hagoromo's story, along with seeing Obito make a complete 180 in terms of visions and plans. Instead, he decides to do what friggin Indra tried generations ago, yeah, he's still childish, immature, and selfish, just like part 1 Sasuke.
 

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
No, I expect him to be able to make sensible decisions as a near adult after he heard Itachi's story, Hashirama's story, Obito's story, and most importantly, Hagoromo's story, along with seeing Obito make a complete 180 in terms of visions and plans. Instead, he decides to do what friggin Indra tried generations ago, yeah, he's still childish, immature, and selfish, just like part 1 Sasuke.
He's not a adult he is a teen. He's like what 16 or 17? He's no Madara dude and you expect him to be adult? Sasuke does not care about there stories, he will only follow what he wants to follow. That is a trait I like about him. Also no child can devise a plan of Revolution. Hell they would not even know the definition of that word.
 

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
He's not a adult he is a teen. He's like what 16 or 17? He's no Madara dude and you expect him to be adult? Sasuke does not care about there stories, he will only follow what he wants to follow. That is a trait I like about him. Also no child can devise a plan of Revolution. Hell they would not even know the definition of that word.
I'm 16 (I mentioned it earlier) and I know his plan is total crap, hell,if I had his experience, and ended up hearing all the stories about how crappy my plan is, and then see someone with an extremely similar plan accept their plan as crap (Obito) I'd grow the hell up and find a better solution to the world's problems. It doesn't matter, I stopped caring about Sasuke ever since Itachi died, by now he's basically a plot device to give us the fight Naruto fans have been whining for, and, believe it or not, he was once my favorite character.
 

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
I'm 16 (I mentioned it earlier) and I know his plan is total crap, hell,if I had his experience, and ended up hearing all the stories about how crappy my plan is, and then see someone with an extremely similar plan accept their plan as crap (Obito) I'd grow the hell up and find a better solution to the world's problems. It doesn't matter, I stopped caring about Sasuke ever since Itachi died, by now he's basically a plot device to give us the fight Naruto fans have been whining for, and, believe it or not, he was once my favorite character.
I see it like that to. This whole revolution thing is just a plot device to fight Naruto. I think that's a good of a reason enough to be honest.
 

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
I see it like that to. This whole revolution thing is just a plot device to fight Naruto. I think that's a good of a reason enough to be honest.
Honestly I ink Sasuke himself is a plot device, he's not really Sasuke, he's more like pseudo-Sasuke, who only exists to help fight Kaguya and to personally fight Naruto.
 

Darth Uchiha

Active member
Veteran
Joined
Apr 1, 2014
Messages
4,221
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Look he is Sasuke, and he has always been a plot device. Naruto is his follower while Sasuke is his leader.
Naruto isn't a follower and Sasuke isn't a leader, Naruto was the heart of the Shinobi Alliance and the unofficial leader in the battle, Sasuke has been an easily manipulated psycho for hire for most of Part 2, and a rogue agent during the War Arc.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kaiyokoon

Natsu Shazneel

Banned
Supreme
Joined
Jan 21, 2012
Messages
37,690
Kin
0💸
Kumi
0💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
Naruto isn't a follower and Sasuke isn't a leader, Naruto was the heart of the Shinobi Alliance and the unofficial leader in the battle, Sasuke has been an easily manipulated psycho for hire for most of Part 2, and a rogue agent during the War Arc.
Sasuke made Naruto who he is today. He is the one who pushed Naruto far enough to reach this level. It was only when the Kage Submit came where Sasuke started to acknowledge Naruto as his equal.
 

Naruto X Hunter

Active member
Legendary
Joined
Jul 13, 2014
Messages
10,191
Kin
2,304💸
Kumi
1,263💴
Trait Points
0⚔️
Awards
How is he not, tell me. Just like in Part 1, for much of Part 2 he was obsessed with revenge and nothing else, didn't matter who he needed revenge against, or how little sense it made, it was all about vengeance. Now he's still controlling and cold hearted, thinking he knows best and not even bothering to listen to other people's opinions, just like part 1 Sasuke. Hell, he's gotten basically a giant story about how his way of thinking screwed up the shinobi world, yet still refuses to swallow his pride in the face or sense and wisdom, just like part 1 Sasuke.
His revenge made little sense? If your brother killed your whole family,wouldn't you want to get revenge on him? If you found out your families massacre was planned by your nations leaders then wouldn't you want to get revenge on them? Lol someone steps on your shoe and you would probably get mad yet Sasuke wanting revenge for his families massacre makes little sense?

If he didn't listen to others opinions then why would he have changed his mind about Itachi from talking to Tobi? And listen to his story about Itachi,and the Uchiha/Senju?Why would he have summoned Orochimaru to get the answers to the questions he had ?why would he had listened to Hashirama explain his,Madara's,and the Uchiha's/Senju's History? Why would he have given thought to what Kakashi said in chapter 176,And 177.

If he didn't listen to others opinions then why would he have followed what Itachi said about needing to hate him to become strong? Why would he have thanked Sakura before he left Konoha? Why would he leave Konoha with the Sound five after Sakon told him that he would stay weak if he stayed in Konoha.Why would he have gone to Orochimaru for power like Orochimaru said ?

He said about Kiba and the others that he deosn't care,and why should he? They don't understand him.When they found out he joined the Akatsuki they questioned it,asking why he would join the organization his brother was in.During the Kage Summit Arc Kiba also questioned Sasuke again,asking whu he didn't return to Konoha after defeating Itachi - they don't know the truth about what happened to the Uchiha.So They don't understand him,Naruto knew this and was about to tell him the truth until Kakashi stopped him.

Why should Sasuke care what they think of him? Why should he be bothered with it?How did his way of thinking screw up the Shinobi world? The Akatsuki got the world into the war,Thwy capture almost all the Bijuu leading to the war,what did Sasuke do? Get rid of Infamous Missing Nin Orochimaru who had prevoisly led the Invasion of Konoha with his Sound Village and The sand village,resulting in the Death of the Hokage."Kill" Itachi - infamous S class,Missing Nin,known as the Person who killed his whole family,The Legendary Uchiha.Killed Deidara,infamous S Class missinf Nin Akatsuki member,who invaded the Sand,and kidnapped the Kazekage which led to yhe lost of the One Tailed Beast and Gaara's life temporarily,he also nearly destroyed the Sand.

He attacked Bee - which the Raikage got supetrustled over,even though he tried to kidnap a little girl(Hinata).Teenage boy invading a nation to kidbao Grown Man and Bigass Monster >>>>>>>>> Grown men trying to kidnap a little girl.

Now Sasuke wants to change the messed up Shinobi world and the messed up Shinobi system,and kill the leaders to the messed up Shinobi world and system.He wants to become Hokage so he can make sure no one has to go through what he and his family did,he wants to revolutionize the world and overthrow the messed up Shinobi system,which has gotten the world in 4 Wars.

Did you ever call the Akatsuki dumbasses? Or complan about them? They have done worse than Sasuke - Attepting to Kidnap Bee,and fight the Kages which he only did cause they attacked him.

Wasn't Obito,and Madara trying to force the whole world in Genjutsu? Didn't Kisame also want that?(last page of chapter 507) Didn't Nagato want to use the Bijuu to blow stuff up? (439,page 14,or 15)? Didn't Nagato destory the leaf? Didn't the whole Akatsuki invade nations,kidnap people,kill people etc.

Do you complain about them? Or is it just Sasuke the worst guy ever lol.Didn't the five great nations and their wonderful Shinobi system get in 4 wars? 3 of which they fought each other and shitted on small villages like the Rain which they used as their battlefield? (438,page 8,9) for their own personal gain?

Yeah blame Sasuke and not the already messed up world.It wasn't already messed up before - he was the one who messed it up.
 
Top