8th Gate vs Perfect Susanoo

[MightGai]

Madara's own attacks and chakra is not going to hurt him. Fail.



If its a separated technique, why did Madara dodge his own attack?

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Your argument is invalid, good day sir.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Lmao, KidGamer65 went offline and Naruto x man is refusing to reply to my post above. Looks like I won.

Uh, bullcrap, I replied. If you're referring to the other post, then let me shatter your hollow boasting.


You completely forgot one tiny little factor. Partical style only dissembles molecules inside of it. The only external usage is a beam, which gudou-dama has not demonstrated. It was also in a defensive mode. It still stands lol.



Edit: My scedual does not revolve around you and your posts. I have different threads to post in and things to do outside of the computer. Not responding immediately/=/giving up.

 

[Bronze]

Uh, bullcrap, I replied. If you're referring to the other post, then let me shatter your hollow boasting.


You completely forgot one tiny little factor. Partical style only dissembles molecules inside of it. The only external usage is a beam, which gudou-dama has not demonstrated. It was also in a defensive mode. It still stands lol.

You're going to need manga proof for that that it only dissembles from the inside.. Onmyoudon has shown to be used as an attack and defensive form negating Ninjutsu. It being in defensive mode, doesn't change the fact it can still molecule anything comes in contact, especially when Madara was in big danger. And Onmyoudon being used as beam, [

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[KidGamer65]

Lmao, KidGamer65 went offline and Naruto x man is refusing to reply to my post above. Looks like I won.

My point is that Gudo Dama isn't the same Onmyoton. Nothing in your post even begins to explain why this is false. Onmyoton is applied to the orbs and the Jin's body (As Ninjutsu doesn't work on them) so that's the most probable reason that he wasn't erased when he touched it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You're going to need manga proof for that that it only dissembles from the inside.. Onmyoudon has shown to be used as an attack and defensive form negating Ninjutsu. It being in defensive mode, doesn't change the fact it can still molecule anything comes in contact, especially when Madara was in big danger. And Onmyoudon being used as beam, [

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Oh my gosh. drop it! It's not omnyoudon, manga facts. Second, what the heck are you talking about? That's not a beam! That's shaping it into a pole for impact. Notice the circles on the end?


The only time it's really shown to truly engulf something inside of it was when it expanded, all other times, it's used as a shape to destroy and interact.


We're getting way off topic. We're now talking about whether or not it's a copy of particle style. It's all irrelevant as the black orb has been named gudou-dama, which means it's not omnyoudon. It's also said to surpass all bloodline limits including particle style, so you have no argument. Only denial of manga facts.

 

[Bronze]

My point is that Gudo Dama isn't the same Onmyoton. Nothing in your post even begins to explain why this is false. Onmyoton is applied to the orbs and the Jin's body (As Ninjutsu doesn't work on them) so that's the most probable reason that he wasn't erased when he touched it.

Hiruzen analyzed that black orbs erase anything comes in contact with in the same principle as Jinton. You claimed he was right. So why didn't Madara or Gai when they touched the black orb, why didn't they get erased, as Jinton would normally erase anything? And those black orbs Madara got by hit by contained Senjutsu as well.

Oh my gosh. drop it! It's not omnyoudon, manga facts. Second, what the heck are you talking about? That's not a beam! That's shaping it into a pole for impact. Notice the circles on the end?


The only time it's really shown to truly engulf something inside of it was when it expanded, all other times, it's used as a shape to destroy and interact.


We're getting way off topic. We're now talking about whether or not it's a copy of particle style. It's all irrelevant as the black orb has been named gudou-dama, which means it's not omnyoudon. It's also said to surpass all bloodline limits including particle style, so you have no argument. Only denial of manga facts.

The only thing you're impressing me with is your stupidity, denial, and the ability not read posts properly. Go take care what every shit you have, if you have any that is.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiruzen analyzed that black orbs erase anything comes in contact with in the same principle as Jinton. You claimed he was right. So why didn't Madara or Gai when they touched the black orb, why didn't they get erased, as Jinton would normally erase anything? And those black orbs Madara got by hit by contained Senjutsu as well.

I replied to your post and said the bold was wrong...which was just stuff about the Onmyoton.

 

[Bronze]

I replied to your post and said the bold was wrong...which was just stuff about the Onmyoton.

Okay, what about this one I just said?

 

[genii96]

FRS is mountain level whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

never said that

 

[Brooks]

That's because it was powered by senjutsu? The weakness of a juubi jin :|. Even a enton covered FRS didn't do crap to juubito

The Enton+Rasenshuriken didn't do to anything to Obito's body because he negated the effects of ninjutsu as all whole with Yin–Yang Release....not because his body was strong enough to tank those attacks.

Most people seems to have these idea of the Juubi jinchuuriki having a great durability because of their great Speed,Destructive Capacity and Physical Strength when in fact the Juubi Jinchuurikis were hurt by a lesser attacks than the Perfect Susanoo tanked.​

 

[Touken]

The Gudoudama needs to be in motion in order for it to destroy. If it's not in motion, it's harmless [

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[Champ]

Perfect Susano'o

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

Evening Elephant and Night Guy are mountain scale. Mini Perfect Susanoo withstood 1000 mountain sized, with only half of its cloak broken.

Perfect Susanoo takes both of them and laughs at them.

stop it madara rules before i find you and beat you to a bloody pulp

enough is enough man, i know youre smarter than that

 

[Brooks]

The Gudoudama needs to be in motion in order for it to destroy. If it's not in motion, it's harmless [

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Well, the Gudou Dama is what allows the Juubi Jinchūrikis to negate the effects of Ninjutsu through the use of Yin–Yang Release and destroys anything it touches.....because Naruto got his hands on the power of the Yang Release from Hagoromo....i'm guess this allowed Naruto to touch the Gudou Dama without getting destroyed.​

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[Touken]

Well, the Gudou Dama is what allows the Juubi Jinchūrikis to negate the effects of Ninjutsu through the use of Yin–Yang Release and destroys anything it touches.....because Naruto got his hands on the power of the Yang Release from Hagoromo....i'm guess this allowed Naruto to touch the Gudou Dama without getting destroyed.​

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The negation of ninjutsu is done by applying Onmyoudon to techniques. Even if there was no Onmyoudon, the Gudoudama itself should destroy anything it hits, which is what Hiruzen realized after he saw it in action [

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[slimreaper]

Damage? Cutting up rock and dirt is a feat?. Sure, here you go:

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The power of an Evening Elephant destroyed Onmyoudon. Please bring into the discussion anything done by Perfect Susano'o that can destroy matter that negates everything except Sage chakra.

Thanks

due to it being a ninjutsu nit wouldn't be able to touch. you have no evidence that he in fact is more powerful.

and that feat of cutting the arth was pathetic compared to PS

 

[Brooks]

The negation of ninjutsu is done by applying Onmyoudon to techniques. Even if there was no Onmyoudon, the Gudoudama itself should destroy anything it hits, which is what Hiruzen realized after he saw it in action [

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No, the Gudōdama itself is what negates the Ninjutsu....

"Truth-Seeking Balls (求道玉, Gudōdama) are black, malleable chakra spheres that can be created from the body of the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki. They comprise at least four different nature transformations and if the jinchūriki can fully control the Ten-Tails, the balls gain ninjutsu-negating attributes."

"These orbs of black chakra are highly versatile and can be used for offensive, defensive and supplementary purposes. Obito can have them pierce through the holes in his palms to become blades, wrap around him to act as a defensive shield, extend them to hit the enemy, destroying whatever it touches. It may also be used to grab opponents. This can also be formed into more sophisticated weapons such as a shakujō.[1] According to Hiruzen Sarutobi during his analysis of this ability, the technique acts on a similar basis to Dust Release, but on a greater level in terms of shape transformation, allowing it to be constantly used for either offensive or defensive purposes.[2] Hiruzen also notes that it is beyond both kekkei genkai and kekkei tōta."​

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[Touken]

No, the Gudōdama itself is what negates the Ninjutsu....

"Truth-Seeking Balls (求道玉, Gudōdama) are black, malleable chakra spheres that can be created from the body of the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki. They comprise at least four different nature transformations and if the jinchūriki can fully control the Ten-Tails, the balls gain ninjutsu-negating attributes."

"These orbs of black chakra are highly versatile and can be used for offensive, defensive and supplementary purposes. Obito can have them pierce through the holes in his palms to become blades, wrap around him to act as a defensive shield, extend them to hit the enemy, destroying whatever it touches. It may also be used to grab opponents. This can also be formed into more sophisticated weapons such as a shakujō.[1] According to Hiruzen Sarutobi during his analysis of this ability, the technique acts on a similar basis to Dust Release, but on a greater level in terms of shape transformation, allowing it to be constantly used for either offensive or defensive purposes.[2] Hiruzen also notes that it is beyond both kekkei genkai and kekkei tōta."​

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If that was the case then Hiruzen and Tobirama would not have regenerated after being hit by mindless Juubito. Refer to the first paragraph -

"Truth-Seeking Balls (求道玉, Gudōdama) are black, malleable chakra spheres that can be created from the body of the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki. They comprise at least four different nature transformations and if the jinchūriki can fully control the Ten-Tails, the balls gain ninjutsu-negating attributes."

 

[Brooks]

If that was the case then Hiruzen and Tobirama would not have regenerated after being hit by mindless Juubito. Refer to the first paragraph -

The first time Obito used the Gudōdama on Hiruzen....he absolutely had no idea how to control its power correctly and wasn't in the his true Juubi Jinchuuriki form(which is why Hiruzen survived).

In Tobirama's case.....it was just a mere clone.​

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[MightGai]

due to it being a ninjutsu nit wouldn't be able to touch. you have no evidence that he in fact is more powerful.

and that feat of cutting the arth was pathetic compared to PS

Yes, I do have evidence, right there in the scan. The power of an Evening Elephant was enough to crack open the Onmyoudon sphere. Still waiting for your evidence that proves that rock smashing is even a feat.

Best regards