I'm showing you how nonsensical it is to assume Juubi Jinchuuriki's body has "normal durability." If Kakashi can cut through multiple boulders with ease, it means he can cut through a normal human in half with ease. So via your argument, he should be able to cut Juubi Madara in half, since you seem to be under the ridiculous impression that Juubi Madara doesn't have significant durability, and Gai's attacks failed to do so to Juubi Madara.
Again, you need to understand that having nine tailed beasts inside of you coupled with Sage Mode enhancements means your physical durability is probably unrivaled.
I think you should do your homework on chakra. Juubi's body isn't a jutsu to be pumped with chakra. Its a human body with anatomy functions. So until there is proof that Madara's Jin body is more durable than Juubito's, they both have equal durability.
Not really sure what you're saying. It being a "human body with anatomy and functions" doesn't change the fact he has top tier durability. 3rd Raikage had a "human body with anatomy and functions" and that didn't stop him from being durable.
Unless you're trying to say that Madara's body is confined to the limits of other humans, which is nonsensical considering he has the Juubi's shroud manifested around him, which is fueled by far, far more Bijuu chakra than an unstabilized Obito.
That's different case, since Kyuubi's chakra is physically manifested. And prove to me that 4th tailed Kyuubi is incapable of doing what 6th tailed has done. They didn't have any difference in power nor anything at all.
It's the Kyuubi chakra physically manifested in human form. It is literally no different than Madara having the Juubi chakra shroud, barring the fact that Madara is in control rather than mindless.
I never compared KN4 and KN6. I compared "KN0 and KN1" to "KN4 and KN6". KN0 and KN1 were both pierced by Part I Sasuke's Chidori, whereas KN4 laughed at Kusanagi and KN6 took a point blank Bijuudama exploding in its face. Ascended chakra forms boosts everything, from speed and strength to durability.
A punch from Guy broke through a gudou-dama shield. When used in the same way, the gudou-dama shield perfectly withstood 4 Massive TBB explosions which were at least equivalent to a massive Juubi TBB. Evening elephant's air cannons are arguably good enough to one-shot PS due to their huge craters, and a direct punch destroys it for sure.
Gai only needs to make a hole to get the user. Can he destroy PS entirely in one shot? No. But, he doesn't need to in order to defeat a PS user.
The fact is that Gai would have killed Madara if he had used his final attack to hit his breastplate or head. If you seriously think Juubi Jin's body isn't more durable than PS, look back on some of the healing feats Naruto had (like regenerating a snapped neck at VoTE with 1-tailed cloak, which was actually 1/2 of 1 tail since it was half Kurama). And if PS would have been better suited for fighting him, don't you think Madara would have tried it?
] that destroyed Mokujin and mountain, while unstabalized half PS tanked it without damage [
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] and left Juubito destroyed in half.
Having more chakra, doesn't make Madara any durable than Juubito, unless you can show me that Juubi Jinchuuriki possessing more chakra has more durability.
That's not a mini TBB....:| That's an expanded gudou-dama.
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It's a completely different jutsu lol. Compare TBBs with gudou-dama.
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Take a look at the natures. TBBs end in flashes, gudou-dama maintains its black color. Therefore, it's not an explosion, but an expansion that destroys everything within it. You'll even find in the scan that it shrinks after the expansion.\
Now, an individual gudou-dama craps on TBBs in destructive power.
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A 3-element, particle style, can blow up an entire island even if it's not the intended target. Now, compare this to gudou-dama's number of elements.
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At least 4 elements. Now, in all likelihood, he has all 5 since he's the jinchuriki of the juubi, which is the origin of all chakra, and by extension, their natures.
A single element difference is massive. Fire style<<<< lava style. Particle style>>>>>> than wood style without senjutu enhancement. Need I get into how powerful gudou-dama is compared to particle style since it's 1-2 elements more? It's much stronger than particle style, which is cannon. It has much more power than full-Kurama's TBB.
That's not a mini TBB....:| That's an expanded gudou-dama.
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It's a completely different jutsu lol. Compare TBBs with gudou-dama.
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Take a look at the natures. TBBs end in flashes, gudou-dama maintains its black color. Therefore, it's not an explosion, but an expansion that destroys everything within it. You'll even find in the scan that it shrinks after the expansion.\
Now, an individual gudou-dama craps on TBBs in destructive power.
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A 3-element, particle style, can blow up an entire island even if it's not the intended target. Now, compare this to gudou-dama's number of elements.
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At least 4 elements. Now, in all likelihood, he has all 5 since he's the jinchuriki of the juubi, which is the origin of all chakra, and by extension, their natures.
A single element difference is massive. Fire style<<<< lava style. Particle style>>>>>> than wood style without senjutu enhancement. Need I get into how powerful gudou-dama is compared to particle style since it's 1-2 elements more? It's much stronger than particle style, which is cannon. It has much more power than full-Kurama's TBB.
Onmyoudon has no 4 elements within it. Hiruzen's analyze was incorrect. Tobirama confirmed its Yin Yang that negates anything has chakra except Senjutsu and physical attacks. So, no Jinton or anything. Therefore, this proves my point, that a weak mini technique can destroy limbs of Juubi jinchuuriki's body, while Susanoo can withstand more powerful ones without damage.
Not really sure what you're saying. It being a "human body with anatomy and functions" doesn't change the fact he has top tier durability. 3rd Raikage had a "human body with anatomy and functions" and that didn't stop him from being durable.
Unless you're trying to say that Madara's body is confined to the limits of other humans, which is nonsensical considering he has the Juubi's shroud manifested around him, which is fueled by far, far more Bijuu chakra than an unstabilized Obito.
It's the Kyuubi chakra physically manifested in human form. It is literally no different than Madara having the Juubi chakra shroud, barring the fact that Madara is in control rather than mindless.
I never compared KN4 and KN6. I compared "KN0 and KN1" to "KN4 and KN6". KN0 and KN1 were both pierced by Part I Sasuke's Chidori, whereas KN4 laughed at Kusanagi and KN6 took a point blank Bijuudama exploding in its face. Ascended chakra forms boosts everything, from speed and strength to durability.
Onmyoudon has no 4 elements within it. Hiruzen's analyze was incorrect. Tobirama confirmed its Yin Yang that negates anything has chakra except Senjutsu and physical attacks. So, no Jinton or anything. Therefore, this proves my point, that a weak mini technique can destroy limbs of Juubi jinchuuriki's body, while Susanoo can withstand more powerful ones without damage.
I am still not seeing a scan of manga stating jin Madara has more durability than Juubito.
No, the black orbs are not omnyoudon. It's already confirmed by the manga that they're different. Get over it people.
Black orbs made there appearance long before omnyoudon did and did not disable ninjutsu. However, it was not named, so when omnyoudon became part of a discussion.....
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...... People hastily assumed that this was naming the black orbs. However, the manga just confirmed that the name of the black orbs is gudou-dama.
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They have different names, therefore, this jutsu is not the same as omnyoudon and as such, was not what Tobirama was talking about. Hiruzen's assertion still stands.
No, the black orbs are not omnyoudon. It's already confirmed by the manga that they're different. Get over it people.
Black orbs made there appearance long before omnyoudon did and did not disable ninjutsu. However, it was not named, so when omnyoudon became part of a discussion.....
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...... People hastily assumed that this was naming the black orbs. However, the manga just confirmed that the name of the black orbs is gudou-dama.
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They have different names, therefore, this jutsu is not the same as omnyoudon and as such, was not what Tobirama was talking about. Hiruzen's assertion still stands.
Onmyoudon has no 4 elements within it. Hiruzen's analyze was incorrect. Tobirama confirmed its Yin Yang that negates anything has chakra except Senjutsu and physical attacks. So, no Jinton or anything. Therefore, this proves my point, that a weak mini technique can destroy limbs of Juubi jinchuuriki's body, while Susanoo can withstand more powerful ones without damage.
The bold is obviously wrong. Onmyoton is something that is applied to the Gudo Dama, completely separate technique. Gudo Dama by itself is what Hiruzen analyzed, Onmyoton was only in play after Obito gained control.
The reason why senjutsu works is because it's combating another user's natural energy against the juubi's natural energy. In other words, omnyoudon cannot delete an attack form the juubi jinchuriki since it's the same principle. It uses natural energy, therefore, it won't be deleted, and must be blocked.
The reason why senjutsu works is because it's combating another user's natural energy against the juubi's natural energy. In other words, omnyoudon cannot delete an attack form the juubi jinchuriki since it's the same principle. It uses natural energy, therefore, it won't be deleted, and must be blocked.
The bold is obviously wrong. Onmyoton is something that is applied to the Gudo Dama, completely separate technique. Gudo Dama by itself is what Hiruzen analyzed, Onmyoton was only in play after Obito gained control.
And also, if the black orbs works as the same principle as Jinton, how come when Gai touched it, it had no effect on him nor it did with Madara, despite it was poured with Senjutsu? Jinton is supposed to blast anything into molecule levels that it comes in contact with. Looks like Hiruzen's analyze was false after all .
Madara has control of the Juubi, so Onmyoton is applied to his orbs, meaning it will still hurt him if it hits him since his Onmyoton is applied to the orbs. If you don't have control, its only the Gudo Dama without the ability to erase Ninjutsu.
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