Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

[Rayder]

For one. Minatos reflexes are levels above Ays. You underestimate minatos strength greatly. With just a thrust of his kunai not to mention he was off balance he still managed to almost cut bees tentacle in half. Another thing. Wind >>> lightning. Any kind of wind nature chakra added to his kunai would easily penetrate Ays raiton armor.

Minato is the fastest man to ever live in the manga and he has the abnormal reflexes to go with his speed and FTG. He is untouchable. Your argument is worthless because IF ANYTHING AY CAN'T TOUCH MINATO. He simply isn't fast enough. But minato is obviously fast enough to land a blow on AY.

I shouldn't even be dicussing this. The manga already said who's better. This thread is useless.

Minato didn't even completely slice it and cutting off Killer Bee's tentacle is no big feat. Sasuke's Chidori Lance did it better and A tanked Sasuke's Chidori Lance with no damage. I doubt that even if Minato had wind nature that he could penetrate A's Lightning Armour BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE WIND NATURE SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
Yes Minato would be able to hit A but none of his attacks would hurt. The fight would drag out and A would be able to outlast him because he has better stamina and higher chakra levels.

 

[TheBrightSide]

What is with all this talk of rasengan being a wind technique? It is made of pure chakra. We have no evidence that A's armor can take a rasengan and we have no evidence that it cant. However your point of his armor electrocuting people is BS as we have never seen it happen and people have touched him without getting shocked.

 

[natzzz]

minato didn't even completely slice it and cutting off killer bee's tentacle is no big feat. Sasuke's chidori lance did it better and a tanked sasuke's chidori lance with no damage. I doubt that even if minato had wind nature that he could penetrate a's lightning armour but he doesn't have wind nature so it doesn't matter.
Yes minato would be able to hit a but none of his attacks would hurt. The fight would drag out and a would be able to outlast him because he has better stamina and higher chakra levels.

a wouldn't be able to hit minato either.

 

[-Vegeta-]

A already admitted inferiority to Minato. A already lost to Minato. Both of which happened in the manga and thus that's all that's needed to prove you wrong.

 

[natzzz]

A already admitted inferiority to Minato. A already lost to Minato. Both of which happened in the manga and thus that's all that's needed to prove you wrong.

YEAH.

 

[Rayder]

A already admitted inferiority to Minato. A already lost to Minato. Both of which happened in the manga and thus that's all that's needed to prove you wrong.

There is something called Praise. I like how you didn't counter any of my points but instead repeated that A said he was unsurpassable. A never lost to Minato. Minato lost that fight because he was the one that retreated(ran away).

 

[Bogard]

Slicing one of Bee's tentacles isn't that good a feat. Sasuke Chidori lance also cut Killer Bee's tentacle and A tanked Sasuke's Chidori Lance.

I didn't only mentioned the Bees limb, i also mentioned the crater it created with only one kunai. Look at the middle of the pic:

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And it's with that kunai that he was about to finish A if Bee didn't interved

A definitely wouldn't have been killed by Minato's kunai, Killer Bee just didn't want his brother to get hit and was prepared to give up his tentacle for it.(They grow back anyway)

And why didn't he wanted his brother to get hit if he wasn't in danger?

I added Minato's summoning jutsu in the ninjutsu section. If Minato tried to use Foodcart Destroyer then he would easily be able to dodge and it will just mean a waste of chakra for Minato.
I think that you are underrating A's speed.

I'm not underrating A speed. I only go the conclusion that if Minato was able to throw a kunai above A, teleport on a tree, and come back with a kunai on A's head, it means that while he is above A, i don't know why he can't use summoning jutsu on him, especially when you know it takes no time:

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He can even rasengan him before, just in order to put him on the floor from a second, the time he recovers, he already see food cart destroyer on him. But personally i don't believe A could handle Rasengan, especially Minatos version. Don't forget this jutsu was created by watching TBB, so it's no fodder technique

Also, even if it doesn't work at the moment, it's not a waste of chakra, since from that moment, there will be 2opponents against A. Gamabunta will help in close combat. He also has some powerful suiton attacks. You also forget that Minato can summon every toad he wants. He can summon for example Pa and Ma, and they put A in the toad genjutsu. He has a lot of ways to finish A

 

[Ryuu..]

You're making this more complicated than it has to be. The manga has made it clear who the superior ninja is. And no Minato did not lose to A and Bee because he 'ran away'.

 

[-Vegeta-]

There is something called Praise. I like how you didn't counter any of my points but instead repeated that A said he was unsurpassable. A never lost to Minato. Minato lost that fight because he was the one that retreated(ran away).

I don't need to counter any of your points because the manga and anime do it for me.

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Minato easily dodged A's full speed and managed to get his kunai above A and teleport right above him and strike him. A on the other hand needed Bee to save him. And Minato only retreated because he was given the order to do so.

 

[Shisui Namikaze]

Minato didn't even completely slice it and cutting off Killer Bee's tentacle is no big feat. Sasuke's Chidori Lance did it better and A tanked Sasuke's Chidori Lance with no damage. I doubt that even if Minato had wind nature that he could penetrate A's Lightning Armour BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE WIND NATURE SO IT DOESN'T MATTER.
Yes Minato would be able to hit A but none of his attacks would hurt. The fight would drag out and A would be able to outlast him because he has better stamina and higher chakra levels.

Re read what I put. He was off balance. He was in mid air and he thrusted his Kunai. Do you have any idea how difficult that is to pull off. And he still managed to almost cut it in half. And he does have wind nature. Reasons why. It's in his last name. And every jonin level ninja and above have a nature affinity. Stated by kakashi senpai. Minato also has tailed beast level chakra. Check his fight with kurama before he teleported him away. Read what he says. Not to mention FTG doesn't use chakra and rasengan seems to not affect any shinobi that uses it to the point where they are exhausted so as far as stamina goes he's fine.

 

[natzzz]

i don't need to counter any of your points because the manga and anime do it for me.

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minato easily dodged a's full speed and managed to get his kunai above a and teleport right above him and strike him. A on the other hand needed bee to save him. And minato only retreated because he was given the order to do so.

+rep for some real proof.manga>some failed thread.

 

[Rayder]

I didn't only mentioned the Bees limb, i also mentioned the crater it created with only one kunai. Look at the middle of the pic:

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And it's with that kunai that he was about to finish A if Bee didn't interved

I'm not denying Minato's strength but he is certainly not abnormally strong and there are quite a lot of ninja physically stronger than him. Most of that crater couldn't have been caused by Minato's kunai because he didn't even completely slice the tentacle and most of it was probably caused by Killer Bee's tentacle hitting the ground.

And why didn't he wanted his brother to get hit if he wasn't in danger?

A and B are one of the closest relationships in the series. Both of them would get incredibly upset if either one of them was injured or even attacked.(For example when A thought Akatsuki captured Killer Bee)

I'm not underrating A speed. I only go the conclusion that if Minato was able to throw a kunai above A, teleport on a tree, and come back with a kunai on A's head, it means that while he is above A, i don't know why he can't use summoning jutsu on him, especially when you know it takes no time:

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He can even rasengan him before, just in order to put him on the floor from a second, the time he recovers, he already see food cart destroyer on him. But personally i don't believe A could handle Rasengan, especially Minatos version. Don't forget this jutsu was created by watching TBB, so it's no fodder technique

Also, even if it doesn't work at the moment, it's not a waste of chakra, since from that moment, there will be 2opponents against A. Gamabunta will help in close combat. He also has some powerful suiton attacks. You also forget that Minato can summon every toad he wants. He can summon for example Pa and Ma, and they put A in the toad genjutsu. He has a lot of ways to finish A

Summoning jutsu does take time. The user needs to take some off their own blood and perform handseals and make the summoning seal on the ground(or in mid-air). By that time A would be well out of harms way. I already said in my thread how A can use Gamabunta against him. Gamabunta's water attacks are not that powerful since they are only a C-Rank. Gamabunta would be useless in close combat since A would be able to dodge all of his attacks with ease and he would only end up destroying Minato's kunai. I wrote most of this in the thread.

Also why is it always you that I end up having debates about A with ? >_>
We have had about 3 different debates about A.

 

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[Rayder]

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Its not a story.Bro :flaw:
I used evidence, facts and lots of true points. I would like to see you do the same.

 

[htmwall]

why would minato attack A if he knew can't harm him?

 

[Retsu]

I dunno, Minato was raping a and Bee with a kunai way too easily, Bee pushed A out the way, so I'd assume were it not for his tentacle, A would've been cleaved in half, and tbh we don't know Minatos full arsenal as of yet, but honestly once raikage is marked, he's dead.

 

[Direcorpse]

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Since when did Minato have Wind ?

rasengan is a WIND technique. do you even read the manga or watch the anime at all???

Ransengan is a jutsu made from the user's chakra.
It is a mixture of amount of, and the manipulation ( which is the sphere shape ) of the user's own chakra.
Minato developed the technique to compliment his fighting style, which was zip and attack in quick successions.
I'm not sure what kind of anime/manga you're watching or reading, but you made yourself look honestly ignorant.

Rasen-shuriken, is the S-Class jutsu that naruto developed AFTER his element affinity training.

OnTopic:

You've made your strong points, but you can't base your arguments ( much like any other ) depending on the moves you WISH for the character to make and/or avoid. It's evident that Minato is a very versatile and observant shinobi, A's no joke don't get me wrong, but Minato was a ninja capable of performing beyond anyone's expectations. I guess you can even say that he toyed with both A & Killer B from the start of that battle, that alone would prove how much of as a capable ninja he was.

I like A and he's a damn beast when it comes to brute force and speed with his heightened reflexes, but that fight could go either way since I see them as almost a match.

 

[blackstar9]

Good thread nobody has really countered your argument yet. We didnt see A use body flicker in that encounter either. If Minato could have easily beat A he would have done it in one of their many encounters. When minato retreated A was unharmed . Anybody saying minato could kill a with a kunai is bias. Im not sure raikage > minato . But he was definetly on par with minato.

 

[blackstar9]

Ransengan is a jutsu made from the user's chakra.
It is a mixture of amount of, and the manipulation ( which is the sphere shape ) of the user's own chakra.
Minato developed the technique to compliment his fighting style, which was zip and attack in quick successions.
I'm not sure what kind of anime/manga you're watching or reading, but you made yourself look honestly ignorant.

Rasen-shuriken, is the S-Class jutsu that naruto developed AFTER his element affinity training.

Rasengan is not wind affinity based jutsu.

 

[Bahama]

Minato doesn't need a kunai to teleport, didn't you watch the latest episode? He just needs the formula, he clearly tagged a formula on Bee and teleported to him. & Minato clearly outsmarted A because he TRIED to guess where he was going to teleport next and failed.