Proof that Second Tsuchikage > Fourth Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)
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naruttebayo
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Sorry on paper it seems right but i just dont think that the Tsuchikage will win and I have 1 major reason for that.
All Minato has to do is avoid the Tsuchikages attacks untill his back gives out and then its night night to the old geezer.
All Minato has to do is avoid the Tsuchikages attacks untill his back gives out and then its night night to the old geezer.
Hey, really good thread. You always convince me with your logic xd. I agree with you and probably always win although ONE THING. lol Yes, Mu > Minato although.. it would be tough for Mu to get Minato because he's fast. I think it'd go like this, Minato throws a kunai in the dust and Mu can't see so Minato teleports to this kunai and brings up a rasengan and jumps out of the dust. All of a sudden Mu gets scared but traps him in his jutsu. I'm not sure. Good thread and keep it up. Don't worry about trolls and Minato fans. Do what you do best xd
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If it was a matter of destructive power, Muu definately has Minato beat in that aspect, but Minato's intelligence is way too much for Muu, and Minato has amazing obervation skills. If they ever fought, i think Muu would under-estimate Minato and his speed, and Minato would do the same combo that he used on Tobi to beat Muu, because jinton is extremely powerful yes, but it lacks in speed and preporation
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i sort of agree with you and why does everyone hate on all your threads i bet they dont even read most of it or say stupid shit like i didnt read but your wrong lol
very good thread
but i think minato can win,with very hard difficulty,muu is best counter for minato
as we knw that muu has elemental advantage,but we knw that minato is basically wind release,as we can see his rasengan,we knw that muu has no immunity against wind,so its the advantage of minato
as u said that minato has great chances of winning in cave,thats 100% correct
u said that muu can fly to very high ranges,and he can attack from long ranges,so at that moment minato can use his summoning,which is very perfect
and u also gave answer that minato can counter muu flying and long range ability by his summonings
Effective use of Summoning Technique
As i mentioned earlier, Minato could summon Gambunta the toad and use his height to reduce the range of the battle even if the Second Tsuchikage is flying, he can jump off the toad's head as a boost then use FTG Kunai (multiple if needed) to get to Mu and land a successful hit or pressure him into splitting to hinder him for the rest of the fight. Also he would need to protect his summon from the devastating effects of Jinton by using a space time barrier to prevent a lethal hit landing on Gambunta.
and as for surprise attacks we knw that minato have seals or space time barriers,which is also good against an invisible,or surprise attacker(muu)
and if minato is able to land a seal on muu,for ftg,then it would be great for minato,and fight would be easy for him
we also knw that minato also have fast reflexes like muu,as we saw in manga,saving naruto,when tobi was gonna kill him
minato can also avoid surprise attacks by his speed,
so i think minato wins
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but i think minato can win,with very hard difficulty,muu is best counter for minato
as we knw that muu has elemental advantage,but we knw that minato is basically wind release,as we can see his rasengan,we knw that muu has no immunity against wind,so its the advantage of minato
as u said that minato has great chances of winning in cave,thats 100% correct
u said that muu can fly to very high ranges,and he can attack from long ranges,so at that moment minato can use his summoning,which is very perfect
and u also gave answer that minato can counter muu flying and long range ability by his summonings
Effective use of Summoning Technique
As i mentioned earlier, Minato could summon Gambunta the toad and use his height to reduce the range of the battle even if the Second Tsuchikage is flying, he can jump off the toad's head as a boost then use FTG Kunai (multiple if needed) to get to Mu and land a successful hit or pressure him into splitting to hinder him for the rest of the fight. Also he would need to protect his summon from the devastating effects of Jinton by using a space time barrier to prevent a lethal hit landing on Gambunta.
and as for surprise attacks we knw that minato have seals or space time barriers,which is also good against an invisible,or surprise attacker(muu)
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and if minato is able to land a seal on muu,for ftg,then it would be great for minato,and fight would be easy for him
we also knw that minato also have fast reflexes like muu,as we saw in manga,saving naruto,when tobi was gonna kill him
minato can also avoid surprise attacks by his speed,
so i think minato wins
u gets +rep for ur effort
the Second Tsuchikage has been presented to us as an immortal with limitless chakra, threw the Edo Tensi techniqu.
This is not his true lvl of power, and when compareing to an Uzumaki endurance becomes a real and true factor.
To compare him acrately we have to compare his chakra levels to a toad sage with excelerated healing and near limitles chakra like the fourth was. Who can summon and attach frogs simmilar to Jiriya to sustain sage mode.
So to compromise, In Edo Tensi mode.
The Hokage would crush. (he is a skilled sealing Ninja,,,, as in THE BEST IN HISTORY)
In natural mode, it depends on the Second Tsuchikage's chakra and endurance.
This is not his true lvl of power, and when compareing to an Uzumaki endurance becomes a real and true factor.
To compare him acrately we have to compare his chakra levels to a toad sage with excelerated healing and near limitles chakra like the fourth was. Who can summon and attach frogs simmilar to Jiriya to sustain sage mode.
So to compromise, In Edo Tensi mode.
The Hokage would crush. (he is a skilled sealing Ninja,,,, as in THE BEST IN HISTORY)
In natural mode, it depends on the Second Tsuchikage's chakra and endurance.
Y3llovv fla5h
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Hmm from what I see minato has the upper hand even tho we don't know ALL of Minatos jutsu arsenal!
He goes invisible, minato uses sensory and FTG Rasengan!
He splits he shadow clones, Sensory,FTG, Rasengan!
He uses genjutsu, he summons Gambunta and or am and pa to help with that.
He uses dust release Minato just avoids it or teleports it away via S/T tech.
You didn't put down whether the 2nd had great speed or not, so either way I don't see Minato losing this....his base speed is greater than rock lee without his weights Lol(Just an example)
Am I missing anything?
Please note: Negative Knight, this is not to flame u nor is this being biased as my name is the Y3llovv fla5h(yellow flash), this is me looking at this subjectively and making decision based on the info you've given and the scenarios that I thought of!
Thx and let me know what u think!!!!:ice:
He goes invisible, minato uses sensory and FTG Rasengan!
He splits he shadow clones, Sensory,FTG, Rasengan!
He uses genjutsu, he summons Gambunta and or am and pa to help with that.
He uses dust release Minato just avoids it or teleports it away via S/T tech.
You didn't put down whether the 2nd had great speed or not, so either way I don't see Minato losing this....his base speed is greater than rock lee without his weights Lol(Just an example)
Am I missing anything?
Please note: Negative Knight, this is not to flame u nor is this being biased as my name is the Y3llovv fla5h(yellow flash), this is me looking at this subjectively and making decision based on the info you've given and the scenarios that I thought of!
Thx and let me know what u think!!!!:ice:
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Thanks for all the comments and nice comments on how Minato can counter Muu's flying (Multiple FTG Kunai)
However using Kunai to fly either ends up wasting them or it takes time in between throwing, catching, aiming and then throwing again. Muu could easily use volleys of Wind techniques to send away the Kunai or hit minato as soon as he materializes (volleys ensure that at least one of the blasts hit).
I notice people saying Minato would win because of his intelligence but they seem to be underrating Muu has the same feats of intelligence. When he was detected by Gaara, in mere seconds he worked out how he was found out, could tell the chakra was similar to the Fourth Kazekage's and etc.
Also people only tend to be talking about Fire and Wind Techs possessed by Muu
Large Scale Earth Techniques can be used to warp the terrain itself, this would put insane pressure on Minato and his FTG Kunai (no time to throw, catch and throw). Muu was the Kage of the Hidden Rock and was most likely the best Earth User, this would mean he would be able to do complex Earth techniques on the level Tobirama's Water ninjutsu.
Muu can also use the terrain to his advantage e.g. uneven levels of ground so it would be impossible to summon Gambunta.
1) A Large scale earth technique to make the ground uneven (jagged spikes) so its impossible to summon Gambunta due to the terrain.
2) Muu could then put insane pressure from Minato as he has the ablity to attack from all directions e.g. Earth from the ground, fire from air, Wind from point blank and etc
3) While the Terrain is constanly warping Muu could use wind release in volleys or just a constant b last to blow away Minato's Kunai as soon as he throws them.
4) Alternatively Muu could put pressure on the terrain causing Minato to constantly move without having time to think and then combining it with Dust Release to pressure him to keep on moving and intercept one of his movements with the ongoing blast.
However using Kunai to fly either ends up wasting them or it takes time in between throwing, catching, aiming and then throwing again. Muu could easily use volleys of Wind techniques to send away the Kunai or hit minato as soon as he materializes (volleys ensure that at least one of the blasts hit).
I notice people saying Minato would win because of his intelligence but they seem to be underrating Muu has the same feats of intelligence. When he was detected by Gaara, in mere seconds he worked out how he was found out, could tell the chakra was similar to the Fourth Kazekage's and etc.
Also people only tend to be talking about Fire and Wind Techs possessed by Muu
Large Scale Earth Techniques can be used to warp the terrain itself, this would put insane pressure on Minato and his FTG Kunai (no time to throw, catch and throw). Muu was the Kage of the Hidden Rock and was most likely the best Earth User, this would mean he would be able to do complex Earth techniques on the level Tobirama's Water ninjutsu.
Muu can also use the terrain to his advantage e.g. uneven levels of ground so it would be impossible to summon Gambunta.
True but there are many things Muu can do to counter this
1) A Large scale earth technique to make the ground uneven (jagged spikes) so its impossible to summon Gambunta due to the terrain.
2) Muu could then put insane pressure from Minato as he has the ablity to attack from all directions e.g. Earth from the ground, fire from air, Wind from point blank and etc
3) While the Terrain is constanly warping Muu could use wind release in volleys or just a constant b last to blow away Minato's Kunai as soon as he throws them.
4) Alternatively Muu could put pressure on the terrain causing Minato to constantly move without having time to think and then combining it with Dust Release to pressure him to keep on moving and intercept one of his movements with the ongoing blast.
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UzumakiChencho
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Muu lightens himself to fly, Minato has air affinity, dont take a whole lotta wind to toss a leaf around. i think this is what we got to remember about flying around. you can lighten a meteor, but you cant lighten the wind.
Minato has chakra like his son "old frog pa said so" and probably takes a beating like him also. He IS Uzumaki kinda funny haveing a clan known for takeing a beating
lol.I can see Minato getting in a fight like this and specificaly targets the other ninjas endurance, tossing Jutsu back and forth with them just to deplete there pool.
Surely in terms of jutsu, ability, chakra nature and control second tsuchikage (kekkei touta shinobi) beats fourth hokage by a large margin, but don't forget in an actual battle (in close combat or mid range) minato gets the upper hand due to s/t techniques, minato would spam ftg combined with rasengan and muu would not be able to think from where it's coming (as he cannot compete with even a fraction of minato's speed), but in long-range combat due to camouflaging mastery there would be a window for second tsuchikage to use his powerful techniques if his timing is correct.
To sum up, even if Second Tsuchikage>Fourth Hokage, in many aspects, there is a fair chance that Hokage would win (as it was in the case of Fourth Raikage v/s Fourth Hokage).
Anybody agreeing with me??
To sum up, even if Second Tsuchikage>Fourth Hokage, in many aspects, there is a fair chance that Hokage would win (as it was in the case of Fourth Raikage v/s Fourth Hokage).
Anybody agreeing with me??
Y3llovv fla5h
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So to counter his earth techs....and this is assuming that minato has wind affinity(which everyone and there mother thinks he does), and I only say this because we haven't seen him use an affinity and naruto would be the closest example since he is his son, anyways he could use the wind tech to alter the terrain by slicing the spikes to a flat surface.
To counter the wind volleys, he would use his own wind volleys.
To counter katon, either FTG or wind volleys
Also to counter his kunai being hit by wind volleys, I think it's safe to assume that the 3rd lord hiruzen taught him the shuriken clone jutsu which he would be able to use with his FTG kunai and spam them everywhere.....multiple teleport places and he's so fast that by the time muu sensed him he would already be somewhere else....IMO
so u saying that muu will send his kunai away with his winds,dont forget minato also has wind so......
and this explains everything which i want to say
and u was saying that it will take time to catch throw,nonsense,minato speed is very high,how much time will it take .5 sec or close to it,Muu lightens himself to fly, Minato has air affinity, dont take a whole lotta wind to toss a leaf around. i think this is what we got to remember about flying around. you can lighten a meteor, but you cant lighten the wind.
Minato has chakra like his son "old frog pa said so" and probably takes a beating like him also. He IS Uzumaki kinda funny haveing a clan known for takeing a beating
I can see Minato getting in a fight like this and specificaly targets the other ninjas endurance, tossing Jutsu back and forth with them just to deplete there pool.
this is almost equal to blink of an eye
remember how he hit tobi,with his rasengan
muu goes invisible,but tobi goes intangible,but minato have counter for both
In the end over all my counters for Minato...
Muu > Minato
Experience is priceless.
A lifetime as a warrior creates an unstoppable machine of death. No young man can counter, Minato is intelligent, and would run to fight another day. He wouldnt attempt Muu alone.
there are countless examples of a younger more powerfull warrior getting crushed by experience.
If he had to, he would die. but the will of fire would live on.
Muu > Minato
Experience is priceless.
A lifetime as a warrior creates an unstoppable machine of death. No young man can counter, Minato is intelligent, and would run to fight another day. He wouldnt attempt Muu alone.
there are countless examples of a younger more powerfull warrior getting crushed by experience.
If he had to, he would die. but the will of fire would live on.
