Hiruzen Sarutobi: "The GOD of shinobi" arguments

[abeluchiha]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

NO WAY DUDE! harishmara all the way! kammon dude! wood style will chop him!

 

[The Sorrowful Prince]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

My explanation:
Madara stated that Hashirama was the strongest shinobi that ever lived. Although he did say that, that does NOT take into account all the shinobi that came after.
Hiruzen was stated in the very early manga chapters that he was the strongest Hokage, and even considered the "God of Shinobi." A title that only he, and Rikudou Sennin had.
Hiruzen > Hashirama

 

[0moi]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Guys going for Hiruzen (like me) don't say anything about Hiruzen's prime because those going for Hashirama will just use it against you. Also votes mean nothing the votes for this thread poll could have came from anywhere; people actually apart of this thread, trolls, a friend of someone who is apart of this thread just voting for their friends side, or a person apart of this thread who made another account just to vote 2x(stupid but true). Don't bring false or unknowably made facts to the table like; Hashirama vs Hiruzen, the 2 never fought independently against 1 another, Hiruzen's prime, I know the shinobi say alot about it but there isnt a flashback or anything to cite, Hashirama having the ability to contol bijuu naturally because he's a decendent of SO6P, he used scrolls that he obtained to learn the ways of how to contol bijuu. And please stay on topic!!!!

 

[kronoseth]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Well it's a tough one, but considering that the naruto episodes say that the first hokage handled the bijus like pets and that he even distributed them to the other nations it certaintly does say a lot, plus uchiha madara states that the hirashima had a far better healing jitsu than tsunade's he would be impossible to kill. But where i will give in is on taijitsu, where sarutobi beat both edos in his old age and in the number of jitsu's mastered by the third.

 

[0moi]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Well it's a tough one, but considering that the naruto episodes say that the first hokage handled the bijus like pets and that he even distributed them to the other nations it certaintly does say a lot, plus uchiha madara states that the hirashima had a far better healing jitsu than tsunade's he would be impossible to kill. But where i will give in is on taijitsu, where sarutobi beat both edos in his old age and in the number of jitsu's mastered by the third.

As I stated earlier the whole Hashirama controlled bijuu shouldn't be used. Yes its true Hashirama did control some, not all, the bijuu, it was only because of the scrolls he had obtained, scrolls that he had hidden away. If Hiruzen too had been allowed to see these hidden scrolls he too would have possessed the jutsu to control bijuu. Hashirama wouldn't have seemed so epic then now would he. If the "control bijuu" stat was stricken from the record what would make Hashirama so epic then?

 

[Amaterasengan]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Its hard to tell without solid evidence. But everyone was after the 1st's cells.

 

[0moi]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Its hard to tell without solid evidence. But everyone was after the 1st's cells.

From what I've read/seen only Orochimaru & Danzou wanted his cells....

 

[narutownsyouall]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

The only reason they want his cells is for the ability to control tailed beasts and chakra boosts along with Izanagi(complete) and he is a descendant of SO6P

 

[BasedBijuu]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

As I stated earlier the whole Hashirama controlled bijuu shouldn't be used. Yes its true Hashirama did control some, not all, the bijuu, it was only because of the scrolls he had obtained, scrolls that he had hidden away. If Hiruzen too had been allowed to see these hidden scrolls he too would have possessed the jutsu to control bijuu. Hashirama wouldn't have seemed so epic then now would he. If the "control bijuu" stat was stricken from the record what would make Hashirama so epic then?

You are making stuff up were the hell did the magic scrolls you speak of come from. Hashirama is better get over it and stop crying.

 

[Poseidonschild]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Hiroshima was one of the finders of the leaf and was the first to seal the nine tails and is the sage of six paths son ??

 

[0moi]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

The only reason they want his cells is for the ability to control tailed beasts and chakra boosts along with Izanagi(complete) and he is a descendant of SO6P

Hashirama learned to control bijuu from scrolls, I doubt if that's in his DNA, and Izanagi is an Uchiha technique what does Hashirama have to do with that? I agree with that part about him being of SO6P lineage though

Hiroshima was one of the finders of the leaf and was the first to seal the nine tails and is the sage of six path

Naw chief thats a bomb lmao :troll:

 

[webhero]

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The 1st power was so great most thought it was merely legend...the 3rd was beast but no Hashirama. And those talking about the pedomaru hiruzen fight, you must know that orochimaru was weaker then kabuto when it came to resurrecting and orchi knew jack s*** about hashirama's power

 

[Feen]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

There both hyped to the max in their prime but I give this to hasirama because he is more badass xd

 

[0moi]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

You are making stuff up were the hell did the magic scrolls you speak of come from. Hashirama is better get over it and stop crying.

Go read up on how Hashirama came to being able to control bijuu, he obtained the scrolls, learned sealing jutsu from Mito, used what he had learned to control multiple bijuu, distributed the bijuu to other newfound villages, hid the scrolls away, died, then decades later Orochimaru stole the scrolls. Who do you think sealed away Kurama when Madara attack Konohagakure the 1st time? To answer that question it was Mito who sealed Kurama within herself. Once Mito died it was passed down/sealed within Kushina. Once Kushina died it was sealed within Naruto. All of Kurama's jinchuuriki have been from the Uzumaki clan thus far. These are all facts not "made up stuff"....chief

 

[BasedBijuu]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Go read up on how Hashirama came to being able to control bijuu, he obtained the scrolls, learned sealing jutsu from Mito, used what he had learned to control multiple bijuu, distributed the bijuu to other newfound villages, hid the scrolls away, died, then decades later Orochimaru stole the scrolls. Who do you think sealed away Kurama when Madara attack Konohagakure the 1st time? To answer that question it was Mito who sealed Kurama within herself. Once Mito died it was passed down/sealed within Kushina. Once Kushina died it was sealed within Naruto. All of Kurama's jinchuuriki have been from the Uzumaki clan thus far. These are all facts not "made up stuff"....chief

He is controlling it through his power it is seen by yamato being able to control bijuu. Yamato only the first power and no knowledge of these scrolls. Stop crying because the only fact you have for hiruzen is one line from the manga.

 

[Stefan B]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

How can HiRuzen be stronger than Hashirima when Hiruzen couldn't even help out the fourth hokage take down one failed beast which was the nine tails while Hashirima could take all of the tailed beasts by himself. Ponder this thought for a moment

 

[-Lionheart-]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

shouldn't this be in Versus Sections ?

 

[MickNerks]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

How can HiRuzen be stronger than Hashirima when Hiruzen couldn't even help out the fourth hokage take down one failed beast which was the nine tails while Hashirima could take all of the tailed beasts by himself. Ponder this thought for a moment

Yes he did help.. He pushed the 9 tails out of the village... and lets please remember that hashirama only supressed their chakra, he didnt go 1vs5 tailed beast and BEAT them.. And he did this IN HIS PRIME while hiruzen helped defend the leaf from 9 tails at an OLD AGE..

shouldn't this be in Versus Sections ?

It was turned into a versus thread by posters, but it was oringinally just suppose to be a vote of who people thought was stronger.. Just opinions.. Now its become a war:sy:

 

[ntel]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

Iruka stated that the 3rd was the strongest Kage but he let alone had no idea about the 1st.

The 1st is stronger by facts.The 3rd was strong but coming near to the 1st nowhere close.

1st hokage>3rd hokage

 

[Barronator]

Re: Hiruzen Sarutobi: The GOD shinobi Vote!!!!

In my opinion there's no point saying Hiruzen was better "in his prime". We never saw his prime and what we did see of him was no where near the level of Hashirama so therefore I think you've got to say Hashirama was stronger.