unbelievable.., how can u see logic in sarutobi defeating hashirama?! - i never was much fan of hashi, but i think even 4 sarutobi's couldnt beat him
Hashirama in his prime man!!!!, duringt the fight w/ edo hash, hiruzen got wrapped in wood jutsu and escaped w/ enma.. im not saying that that is a spectacular feat but it does show that its gonna take more from hash then just wood release to beat hiruzen in prime.. and he could make as many shadow clones as naruto in his prime and has a crazy arsenal of jutsu.. and he and enma are masters of taijutsu and enma has long reach and breaks trees easily..
thats a good point, but the real hashirama was different and much stronger, look at madara he created a forrest 100 times larger than the edo hashi, im sure the real hashi was even better in wood release, besides that he was able to completely disable the kyubi with sheer power, while hiruzen couldnt do anything against it, hashi used tailed beasts as pets not because he had sharingan like madara but because he was simply strong!!
First off no double-posting, Secondly Hashirama obtained the scrolls to control bijuu then he hid them away, Hashirama didn't naturally have the jutsu to control bijuu, if Hiruzen had the scrolls he might very well had been able to control bijuu as well. I'm gonna cut you some slack because you're very new to this forum. When you're trying to make your argument and post and I quote,"only he thing he good for is taking people hands and summoning monkeys". It shows you really are taking side(being biased, no one will take you seriously) everyone who reads/watches NARUTO, knows Hiruzen Sarutobi was a astonishing shinobi and was known for waaaay more than just what you listed. Also WELCOME to NB!
i have to disagree with you about the control of the tailed beast but hear me out. It wasnt that hashirama could make the tailed beast his bitches or even that he could beat them, BUTT he could SUPRESS there chakra so that they were controllable.. if he didnt have that power to supress then he would have a way harder time dealing with them.. and hiruzen did push nine tails out of village.
It does say that during Hashiramas time, he had controll of tailed beasts.
i knew you would say that lol, while its true what you say, its also true that hashirama was able to defeat the kyubi in a straight fight which says something about how tough he was, also hashirama may have been famous for his wood release, but he also knew a ton of dangerous jutsus! - you ever heard of the first hokage's scrolls, even oro stole jutsus from him
