t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin

[polleteke]

First of all I would like to say that I am big fan of Jman ( you can guess that )
But i am also a big of Kakashi , he reminds of his sensei Minato

I don't think Kakashi or guy have surpassed Orochimaru or Jman but maybe Tsunade ( battle ) .
People saying that guy is really strong because he beat the great Hoshigaki Kisame with his gate 7 so he can beat almost everyone. That is wrong ! Kisame's style of fighting is based on soaking up all of the opponents chakra hense making him vulnerable. Guy is the perfect man to beat kisame because he uses only taijutsu so not needing chakra. And even his long range attacks don't need chakra ( Hiru Dora ).
Kakashi has improved alot stamina vise in Part 2 and is very smart but I still think Jman is still stronger ( sage mode etc )
Orochimaru is a genius and is practically unbeatble . His stamina is uncomparable too .

I think Orochimaru and Jman if they were fighting in this war for the allied forces would help alot more than guy and kakashi. They have this Aura , they ARE the Legendary Sannin ! I think they would be more important than the Kages. This is what they are ! You can't compare kakashi or GUy to Oro or Jman , not yet !

This pretty much explains it xd

I think the reason why Guy and Kakashi are able hold their own against the bijuu is because first of all Naruto, and Sasuke got way way way stronger so Kishi had to boost them up too, Also I would love to see Jiraiya back, I love his fighting style ( It probably won't happen )

P.S. to everyone who says Kamui would ***** up Jiraiya or Orochimaru, or Guy would defeat them with 7th gate is plausible but I still think Jiraiya and Orochimaru could win from K. and G. Because of their Immense Chakra and Stamina
Also Hanzo was defeated because he told his weakpoint to Mifune

 

[lazyshadow]

and why is it official?

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Jiraiya > Orochimaru > Kakashi > Gai > Tsunade

 

[CopyCatNinja]

i agree

 

[JakeLife510]

If Kakashi use Kamui then J-man is ****ed, same goes for Gai if he goes 7-gates.

Kamui has yet to hit someone other then Deidara's arm, in which he was a steadily floating target.

Frog Genjutsu can take them out easily.

Like the other person said, Kakashi with the help of Choji and Father took out 1 of 2 Peins while J-Man happened to take out 3 and then capture one.

Plus Hanzo was defeated by someone who he let live and knew how Hanzo fought as a Shinobi who trained for the perfect counter against Hanzo.
Hanzo lost to Pein because he disn't know the secret and his Primary skill in poisen wouldnt work upon the already dead paths of Pein.

 

[Oronagato]

Kamui has yet to hit someone other then Deidara's arm, in which he was a steadily floating target.

Frog Genjutsu can take them out easily.

Like the other person said, Kakashi with the help of Choji and Father took out 1 of 2 Peins while J-Man happened to take out 3 and then capture one.

Plus Hanzo was defeated by someone who he let live and knew how Hanzo fought as a Shinobi who trained for the perfect counter against Hanzo.
Hanzo lost to Pein because he disn't know the secret and his Primary skill in poisen wouldnt work upon the already dead paths of Pein.

2 words: PLUS REP

 

[itachi49]

Well, did you see how the sannin all have that air of arrogant attitude about everything when they were first introduced, Tsunade called Itachi and Kisame low-lifes when she herself lost to Kabuto.
In shippuden Itachi and Kisame would´ve owned her with ease.
J-man and oro almost died cuz of 4-tail naruto yet kakashi and Gai were holding their own against 5 full-bijuus.

Ps: You haven´t +rep´d me.

Nice point rep +

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Jiraya almost died against 4 tail naruto yet kakashi and gai are taking on multiple bijuu in their full forms, it´s obvious who´s better.
I was very surprised the first time because i found it strange like "shouldn´t the bijuus whoop them?" and now i finally remembered why i thought like that, it´s because both oro and j-man almost died against 4-tail naruto yet the eternal rivals are holding their own against alot of bijuus.
They´ve surpassed the sannins and anyone who says otherwise is trolling.

This is easily the dumbest logic ever written.First off, those same Bijus combine for a tail beast bomb that was diverted out of the way by the nine tails own tail beast bomb.Meaning, the nine tails power is far stronger than the combine power of the tail beast Gai and Kakashi are taking on.Furthermore, Orochimara was nearing death when he fought naruto and Jiraiya wasn't in Sage mode when he was training naruto.You failed hard with this stupidity, but thanks for trying.

 

[Oronagato]

This is easily the dumbest logic ever written.First off, those same Bijus combine for a tail beast bomb that was diverted out of the way by the nine tails own tail beast bomb.Meaning, the nine tails power is far stronger than the combine power of the tail beast Gai and Kakashi are taking on.Furthermore, Orochimara was nearing death when he fought naruto and Jiraiya wasn't in Sage mode when he was training naruto.You failed hard with this stupidity, but thanks for trying.

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[Better]

This is easily the dumbest logic ever written.First off, those same Bijus combine for a tail beast bomb that was diverted out of the way by the nine tails own tail beast bomb.Meaning, the nine tails power is far stronger than the combine power of the tail beast Gai and Kakashi are taking on.Furthermore, Orochimara was nearing death when he fought naruto and Jiraiya wasn't in Sage mode when he was training naruto.You failed hard with this stupidity, but thanks for trying.

forget the tbb, a single roar from the kyuubi sent all of them flying xd

 

[hokutoshinken]

This is easily the dumbest logic ever written.First off, those same Bijus combine for a tail beast bomb that was diverted out of the way by the nine tails own tail beast bomb.Meaning, the nine tails power is far stronger than the combine power of the tail beast Gai and Kakashi are taking on.Furthermore, Orochimara was nearing death when he fought naruto and Jiraiya wasn't in Sage mode when he was training naruto.You failed hard with this stupidity, but thanks for trying.

This is wrong.Naruto never had control on Kyubi when he fought Orochimaru and almost killer Jiraiya.Furthermore The Naruto was in junchiriki mode with only 4 tails and he had a small part of Kyubi's power.The Naruto in BM mode with the full power of Kyubi is at lights years above the 4 tails in cloack mode .Sorry but you failed hardly .

Well, did you see how the sannin all have that air of arrogant attitude about everything when they were first introduced, Tsunade called Itachi and Kisame low-lifes when she herself lost to Kabuto.
In shippuden Itachi and Kisame would´ve owned her with ease.
J-man and oro almost died cuz of 4-tail naruto yet kakashi and Gai were holding their own against 5 full-bijuus.

Ps: You haven´t +rep´d me.

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[Oronagato]

This is wrong.Naruto never had control on Kyubi when he fought Orochimaru and almost killerd Jiraiya.Furthermore The Naruto was in junchiriki mode with only 4 tails and he had a small part of Kyubi's power.The Naruto in BM mode have the full power of Kyubi.Sorru but you failed hardly .



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are you joking? oro's body was dying out, and j man was only trying to seal the kyuubi. 2, its kakashi, guy, AND 2 jinchurikies against the 5 bijuus, and who even said the bijuus are at their strongest? tobi's controlling them, it's not like they're fighting rampaging bijuu tailed beasts like oro and pain did. 3, they fought solo, while guy and kakashi are fightingg with 2 other kage level ninjas. so no, oros feat was far more impressive.

 

[hokutoshinken]

are you joking? oro's body was dying out, and j man was only trying to seal the kyuubi. 2, its kakashi, guy, AND 2 jinchurikies against the 5 bijuus, and who even said the bijuus are at their strongest? tobi's controlling them, it's not like they're fighting rampaging bijuu tailed beasts like oro and pain did. 3, they fought solo, while guy and kakashi are fightingg with 2 other kage level ninjas. so no, oros feat was far more impressive.

Yes Jiraiya tried to do it but it was too late,he couldn't handle a naruto with a small part of kyubi's power with only 4 part.

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It's Kakashi,Gai,Bee,Naruto vs Bijuus and Tobi

5 unbrided jinchurcki with rinnegan and sharingan that can go on bijuu mode is by far stronger by a Naruto who had only a small part of kyubi and got only to 4 tails mode.Not to mension that Orochimaru failed to cut Naruto's cloack when Kakashi cut the cloack of 7 v2 unbrided jinchuriki's arms .Kakashi and Gai defended better,they almost didn't get damage while Orochimaru wanted play the hero and go head to head since he realized that the 4 tails with small part of kyubi destroyed him easily.

 

[hokutoshinken]

Kamui has yet to hit someone other then Deidara's arm, in which he was a steadily floating target.

Frog Genjutsu can take them out easily.

Like the other person said, Kakashi with the help of Choji and Father took out 1 of 2 Peins while J-Man happened to take out 3 and then capture one.

Plus Hanzo was defeated by someone who he let live and knew how Hanzo fought as a Shinobi who trained for the perfect counter against Hanzo.
Hanzo lost to Pein because he disn't know the secret and his Primary skill in poisen wouldnt work upon the already dead paths of Pein.

I already counter all what you said .
Each time that he used it Kakashi never missed to hit his target,if he'd use it it's almost sure that he hit . Databook comfirm when the technique is invoked no defense is possible.Once that the target is in the space barrier,he can't get off of it .Databook also comfirm that it can warp a full body.Against Deidara it was a pretty hard situation since it's an far range on an escaping target with Kakashi who has not mastered kamui yet.See what it does when he mastered it without preparation against Pein and Susanoo arrow.

His genjutsu can works but i doubt that he has the time to use it,it require a lot of time of preparations contrary to kamui or 7th-8th gates.

Somoene explained it clearly that Kakashi didn't need Choji and Chozo,thanks to plot no jutsu.

3 of the weaker bodies. And this goes for EVERYONE in this thread.

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Demon Realm was paralysed by Kakashi's Raibushin, and because God Realm had just used Banshou Tenin he was unable to use any of his gravity powers for another 5 seconds. Not only this, but God Realm was completely unaware of Kakashi's location (as he was hiding withint the rubble) and both God Realm's and Demon Realm's back were turned to him. This means that neither Realm would have been able to see where Kakashi was coming from, and being that one was completely paralysed and the other was unable to use his jutsu, they would of had no way of evading Kakashi's surprise attack. We saw that even with Kakuzu (a ninja with far more experience than either Nagato or Kakashi), Kakashi was able to easily sneek up on him without the slightest detection from Kakuzu. I don't see God Realm and Demon Realm being able to detect Kakashi in such a situation. because Chouji and Chouza's attack was dodged by God Realm, that Kakashi's attack would be dodged as well is totally insufficient. Firstly, their attack came from above. With simple periphial vision, a person can tell if something as large as to huge ass fists are flying towards them. Reacting to a lightning fast attack that is coming completely from behind is something totally different.

And let's not forget Kakashi figured out the 5 second interval while fighting the most powerful bodies.

So when you break it down and not look at in such a sipmlistic fashion, you will relealise Kakashi was about to take out Deva path, and possibly Asura.

He still had half his chakra left at that point.

Keep in mind this Kakashi is weaker than current Kakashi. (By feats anyway)

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

This is wrong.Naruto never had control on Kyubi when he fought Orochimaru and almost killer Jiraiya.Furthermore The Naruto was in junchiriki mode with only 4 tails and he had a small part of Kyubi's power.The Naruto in BM mode with the full power of Kyubi is at lights years above the 4 tails in cloack mode .Sorry but you failed hardly .



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*Face Palm*

Who said anything about naruto having control over the Kyubi when he fought Orochimaru? You are not getting my point or you playing stupid.The nine tails power is stronger than that of all the Bijus Kakashi and Gai are currently fighting. Secondly, there is no such thing as jinchūriki mode.Jinchūriki is the name for people who have tail beast within them, it's not a mode.I think what you are trying to say is tail beast mode in a human form or as Killer Bee cause it version two.Which doesn't make a difference because naruto in that form was still able to fire off a tail beast bomb.The nine tail is in control so saying naruto had a small part of Kyubi's power is stupid.The nine tails is in control, thus the nine tails can use at much of it own power as he wants.Not to mention, naruto was in that form when he went after pain and we saw the power he displayed then.Now show me where either Kakashi or Gai had to dodge the power of a tail beast bomb.Show me where Kakashi are Gai had to dodge the projectiles pain(nagato) tried to push back with shinra tensei.

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Not that any of that even matters because exactly how was Kakashi and Gai holding their own.

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Naruto being capture after Kakashi and Gai were knock back by the Tail Beast.

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I don't know why I didn't reread the chapters before responding to this stupidity.Beside slowing down the tail beast once with Gai's Morning Peacock and Kakashi Lightning Cutter, Gai and Kakashi didn't do anything but run away.

 

[Pein67]

*Face Palm*

Who said anything about naruto having control over the Kyubi when he fought Orochimaru? You are not getting my point or you playing stupid.The nine tails power is stronger than that of all the Bijus Kakashi and Gai are currently fighting. Secondly, there is no such thing as jinchūriki mode.Jinchūriki is the name for people who have tail beast within them, it's not a mode.I think what you are trying to say is tail beast mode in a human form or as Killer Bee cause it version two.Which doesn't make a difference because naruto in that form was still able to fire off a tail beast bomb.The nine tail is in control so saying naruto had a small part of Kyubi's power is stupid.The nine tails is in control, thus the nine tails can use at much of it own power as he wants.Not to mention, naruto was in that form when he went after pain and we saw the power he displayed then.Now show me where either Kakashi or Gai had to dodge the power of a tail beast bomb.Show me where Kakashi are Gai had to dodge the projectiles pain(nagato) tried to push back with shinra tensei.

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Not that any of that even matters because exactly how was Kakashi and Gai holding their own.

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Naruto being capture after Kakashi and Gai were knock back by the Tail Beast.

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I don't know why I didn't reread the chapters before responding to this stupidity.Beside slowing down the tail beast once with Gai's Morning Peacock and Kakashi Lightning Cutter, Gai and Kakashi didn't do anything but run away.

A good advice,read the manga again no offense.

 

[Oronagato]

A good advice,read the manga again no offense.

a good advice, follow your own advice. he made a lot of good points, with a few errors, but still, most of it made sense. btw you still haven't responded to my last argument, you just posted a picture saying "Internet fight" and then made a comment saying "i won this debate".

 

[Thewargoeson]

"sannin level" is so overrated, the three were only given that name bcuz they were able to hold there own against hanzo. But if u look at the recent manga u can see tht a SamurAi was able to beat him. So sannin level really doesn't count for much anymore. But Kakashi and guy to people who took on 6 v2 bijuu, I'm sure that they.cud take on hanzo. So yes Kakashi and guy are past "sannin level"

 

[OGjello]

Just for the record, standing infront of 5 bijuus doesn't mean you're holding your own. They put out no offensive pressure on them at all. They saved Naruto and then that's about all they did. Gai and Kakashi were both going to have to use their strongest moves just to dodge the 5 bijuus combined ball.

That's not holding their own, that's using whatever you can to survive while you wait for Naruto to save you.

In current time, kakashi and gai are stronger than the 2 remaining sannin. That's just obvious.

But you also have to realize they are older and not exactly in their prime anymore. (Atleast not Jiraiya)

I would say in Power of the sannin it went like
Jiraiya
Oro
Tsunade.

In their prime as 3 kakashi and gai wouldnt stand a change. 1v1 kakashi would probably do the best vs jiraiya, and gaithe best vs oro but they would not win.

Kakashi and Gai are just now entering their prime. I still expect them to get a lot stronger, but as of now

oro and jiraiya prime > kakashi and gai

 

[Child of the Prophecy]

I disagree