t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin

[Hmph]

he manage to kill 3 by himself,
and kakashi ain't gonna take out deva path if he by himself in that fight, choza team just save his ass, and the one who hindered kakashi attack is ashura path

3 of the weaker bodies. And this goes for EVERYONE in this thread.

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Demon Realm was paralysed by Kakashi's Raibushin, and because God Realm had just used Banshou Tenin he was unable to use any of his gravity powers for another 5 seconds. Not only this, but God Realm was completely unaware of Kakashi's location (as he was hiding withint the rubble) and both God Realm's and Demon Realm's back were turned to him. This means that neither Realm would have been able to see where Kakashi was coming from, and being that one was completely paralysed and the other was unable to use his jutsu, they would of had no way of evading Kakashi's surprise attack. We saw that even with Kakuzu (a ninja with far more experience than either Nagato or Kakashi), Kakashi was able to easily sneek up on him without the slightest detection from Kakuzu. I don't see God Realm and Demon Realm being able to detect Kakashi in such a situation. because Chouji and Chouza's attack was dodged by God Realm, that Kakashi's attack would be dodged as well is totally insufficient. Firstly, their attack came from above. With simple periphial vision, a person can tell if something as large as to huge ass fists are flying towards them. Reacting to a lightning fast attack that is coming completely from behind is something totally different.

And let's not forget Kakashi figured out the 5 second interval while fighting the most powerful bodies.

So when you break it down and not look at in such a sipmlistic fashion, you will relealise Kakashi was about to take out Deva path, and possibly Asura.

He still had half his chakra left at that point.

Keep in mind this Kakashi is weaker than current Kakashi. (By feats anyway)

 

[Blaze Release]

Er no.
Any of the sannins would still beat gai or kakashi. They havent surpassed the sannins, lets not get ahead of ourselves

 

[Dooshbag]

Er no.
Any of the sannins would still beat gai or kakashi. They havent surpassed the sannins, lets not get a head of ourselves

What the hell? Gai spanked Kisame with his gates and Kakashi is smart and has MS.

 

[Hmph]

Do I need to refresh people's memories?

After fighting for a day

Kakashi and Gai still had enough energy to do the following against powerful opponents.

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oh, and Gai was ready to use the 8th gate and Kakashi was about to use Kamui.

 

[Blaze Release]

What the hell? Gai spanked Kisame with his gates and Kakashi is smart and has MS.

That fight was nothing more than plot no jutsu in motion.
Funny kisame wasnt at 100% with his chakra levels when he came out of samahada and needed to absorb chakra. Also didnt have samahada which grants him similar abilities to sm when he fuses. Lastly it was a bad match up. Nothing more, nothing less

Kakashi is smart and has the ms, so?. Obviously he would cause any of them problems but he wouldn't win against any one of them and yes that includes tsunade

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

3 of the weaker bodies. And this goes for EVERYONE in this thread.

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Demon Realm was paralysed by Kakashi's Raibushin, and because God Realm had just used Banshou Tenin he was unable to use any of his gravity powers for another 5 seconds. Not only this, but God Realm was completely unaware of Kakashi's location (as he was hiding withint the rubble) and both God Realm's and Demon Realm's back were turned to him. This means that neither Realm would have been able to see where Kakashi was coming from, and being that one was completely paralysed and the other was unable to use his jutsu, they would of had no way of evading Kakashi's surprise attack. We saw that even with Kakuzu (a ninja with far more experience than either Nagato or Kakashi), Kakashi was able to easily sneek up on him without the slightest detection from Kakuzu. I don't see God Realm and Demon Realm being able to detect Kakashi in such a situation. because Chouji and Chouza's attack was dodged by God Realm, that Kakashi's attack would be dodged as well is totally insufficient. Firstly, their attack came from above. With simple periphial vision, a person can tell if something as large as to huge ass fists are flying towards them. Reacting to a lightning fast attack that is coming completely from behind is something totally different.

And let's not forget Kakashi figured out the 5 second interval while fighting the most powerful bodies.

So when you break it down and not look at in such a sipmlistic fashion, you will relealise Kakashi was about to take out Deva path, and possibly Asura.

He still had half his chakra left at that point.

Keep in mind this Kakashi is weaker than current Kakashi. (By feats anyway)

-weaker body ? well i agree but in 3 vs 1 i doubt if you put kakashi in that fight with no info, he would have get crushed so easily by the 3 weak path,
heck even the animal path can take out kakashi with summoning spam,

-the reason why kakashi can fight deva path like that its because he have info about the rinnegan shared vision, if its not he will get spanked so easily by the deva path, not to mention deva path has no interest with kakashi at all that's why he want to immediately catch kakashi hence its why ashura path which is nearby come there and join the fray,

- and in the scene where kakashi use raiton kage bunshin, he did not yet figure out the 5 seconds interval, which is kakashi sneak attack will probably fail.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Current Kakashi and Gai vs J-man and Orochimaru.

Hmmm....I believe it would be a close bout.

I say J-man and Oro still, but with very hard difficulty.

 

[itachi49]

Kakashi > all the sannin of the times when they fought Hanzo 3 vs 1.

Actually Kakashi didn't surpasse Jiraiya prime and Orochimaru prime.He's very close.He's above Tsunade.

 

[kourosh]

jiraya>>>>>>>>>>kakashi & gai
orochimaru>>>>>>>>>>kakashi & gai
they cann't kill orochimaru . He won't die with 7th gate or kamui we clearly saw that if someone cut orochimaru into half he won't die. Jiraya in sage mode is fast enough to dodge their attack and he has alot of good jutsu to kill them

 

[Hmph]

-weaker body ? well i agree but in 3 vs 1 i doubt if you put kakashi in that fight with no info, he would have get crushed so easily by the 3 weak path,
heck even the animal path can take out kakashi with summoning spam,

One path is not enough to take Kakashi out. However if we put Kakashi in Jiraiya's position? Who will do better? Jiraiya of course, the guy has boss summons to contend with Paii's summons and better stamina.

-the reason why kakashi can fight deva path like that its because he have info about the rinnegan shared vision, if its not he will get spanked so easily by the deva path, not to mention deva path has no interest with kakashi at all that's why he want to immediately catch kakashi hence its why ashura path which is nearby come there and join the fray,

Wrong here.

Deva path stated
"he was hounoured to fight Kakashi"
he even stated

"if i don't kill you now you will pose problems to akatsuki in the future"

Kakashi tanked 3 shinra tensei and used multiple jutsu. In the end he died protecting Choji with Kamui.

Kakashi figuring out the interval against opponents who have shared vision is insane.

- and in the scene where kakashi use raiton kage bunshin, he did not yet figure out the 5 seconds interval, which is kakashi sneak attack will probably fail.

He was behind them, they had no way to detect him.

Asura was paralyzed.
Deva can't use his jutsu.

What can they do? We know how fast Kakashi is.

To support this

Kakashi even states

"I had a back up plan prepared"

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[Ryuu..]

There's no way in hell Jiraiya can stop Gai with 8 gates opened.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Wrong here.

Deva path stated
"he was hounoured to fight Kakashi"
he even stated

"if i don't kill you now you will pose problems to akatsuki in the future"

Kakashi tanked 3 shinra tensei and used multiple jutsu. In the end he died protecting Choji with Kamui.

Kakashi figuring out the interval against opponents who have shared vision is insane.

-well deva want to kill kakashi, but that's not pain priority he was looking for naruto and since kakashi is a high class jounin in konoha he should have known some info about naruto whereabouts, i presume he will catches kakashi and killed him like how human path kill shizune,

-and it took him 3 or 4 shinra tensei before realizing that, its not that impressive i dare say, but quite a helpful info

He was behind them, they had no way to detect him.

Asura was paralyzed.
Deva can't use his jutsu.

What can they do? We know how fast Kakashi is.

To support this

Kakashi even states

"I had a back up plan prepared"

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-what can they do ? kakashi did not know about the interval, that's how he will fail, not to mention deva manage to dodge chouza team attack from above and deva didn't even look,

-all his plan will fail once deva goes airbone and go all out like he did when fighting the 6th tail

 

[Hmph]

-well deva want to kill kakashi, but that's not pain priority he was looking for naruto and since kakashi is a high class jounin in konoha he should have known some info about naruto whereabouts, i presume he will catches kakashi and killed him like how human path kill shizune,

I know, but the point is he DID want to kill Kakashi since he refused to tell him about Naruto's location.

I know you're thinking in your mind "but if Pain used his strongest jutsu Kakashi would be dead"

But Naruto fights don't work like that, if they did I could say "But Kakashi could use Kamui and thats game over"

See my point? Just because Pain didn't dish out his strongest jutsu from the get go doesn't mean he was not trying.

Everyone knows who Kakashi is.

-what can they do ? kakashi did not know about the interval, that's how he will fail, not to mention deva manage to dodge chouza team attack from above and deva didn't even look,

-all his plan will fail once deva goes airbone and go all out like he did when fighting the 6th tail

Read this post again, I explain here why just because Pain evaded Choji and Chouza doesn't mean they will evade Kakashi hatake

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but it doesn't matter at that moment, since they had their back turned to him

one was paralyzed
the other could not use his jutsu

Kakashi=stealth master

he sneaked up on Tobi..and even Tobi praised his speed
Same thing happened to Kakazu

Kakashi could've Raikiri 9that was his plan) on Deva, and he still had around half his chakra around that point so a Kamui wouldn't be out of the question.

Kakashi outsmarted Pain on more one occasion.

 

[Vayne]

I agree to some extent.

 

[Luminousi]

Gai is atleast sannin level but, I don't know about Kakashi he isn't that strong tbh,

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I know, but the point is he DID want to kill Kakashi since he refused to tell him about Naruto's location.

I know you're thinking in your mind "but if Pain used his strongest jutsu Kakashi would be dead"

But Naruto fights don't work like that, if they did I could say "But Kakashi could use Kamui and thats game over"

See my point? Just because Pain didn't dish out his strongest jutsu from the get go doesn't mean he was not trying.

Everyone knows who Kakashi is.

am not thinking like that, LOL
and yeah deva is not even trying, if he was he would have move all the path to that location

Read this post again, I explain here why just because Pain evaded Choji and Chouza doesn't mean they will evade Kakashi hatake

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Also, Kakashi stated he figured out some of Pain's ability here

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but it doesn't matter at that moment, since they had their back turned to him

one was paralyzed
the other could not use his jutsu

Kakashi=stealth master

he sneaked up on Tobi..and even Tobi praised his speed
Same thing happened to Kakazu

Kakashi could've Raikiri 9that was his plan) on Deva, and he still had around half his chakra around that point so a Kamui wouldn't be out of the question.

Kakashi outsmarted Pain on more one occasion.

what kakashi mean by his figure out some of pain ability is the shared vision, which is he already know about that he just want to share some info to chouza team, he later figure out another one after seeing that fodders attack deva path,

outsmart pain is nothing special, not to mention naruto did that countless time in their fight.

 

[Hmph]

am not thinking like that, LOL
and yeah deva is not even trying, if he was he would have move all the path to that location

So because Deva didn't move all the paths to that location he wasn't trying. Flawless logic.

I remember Jiraiya taking out some bodies in the early part of his fight, but wait...Pain didn't decide to bring all his bodies in at first. I think he wasn't trying at all, and we should use that as a detriment to the feats he achieved

/sarcasm

what kakashi mean by his figure out some of pain ability is the shared vision, which is he already know about that he just want to share some info to chouza team, he later figure out another one after seeing that fodders attack deva path,

You can't prove he didn't have a good idea about the 5 second interval. Just a huge assumption on your part.

outsmart pain is nothing special, not to mention naruto did that countless time in their fight.

-Ousmarting the two most powerfu Pain bodies despite being weaker than naruto
-figuring out the 5 second cool down while fighting Deva and Asura

Naruto went into the fight with all of Kakashi's knowledge

Please don't compare Naruto's intelligence to a man who has been hyped up to have Shikimaru level intelligence on more than one occasion.

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And current Gai and Kakashi know how to counter Pain's abilities. Just a fun fact incase anyone missed it. (smirk)

 

[Dooshbag]

Gai is atleast sannin level but, I don't know about Kakashi he isn't that strong tbh,

kakashi not strong? what are you smoking lmao

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

So because Deva didn't move all the paths to that location he wasn't trying. Flawless logic.

I remember Jiraiya taking out some bodies in the early part of his fight, but wait...Pain didn't decide to bring all his bodies in. I think he wasn't trying at all, and we should use that as a detriment to the feats he achieved

/sarcasm

yes pain is not even trying, j-man even stated that nagato maybe underestimate him, but after entering SM, pain summon the other 2 and after that he finally acknowledge jiraiya by bringing all the path

You can't prove he didn't have a good idea about the 5 second interval. Just a huge assumption on your part.

right back at you

-Ousmarting the two most powerfu Pain bodies despite being weaker than naruto
-figuring out the 5 second cool down while fighting Deva and Asura

Naruto went into the fight with all of Kakashi's knowledge

Please don't compare Naruto's intelligence to a man who has been hyped up to have Shikimaru level intelligence on more than one occasion.

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And current Gai and Kakashi know how to counter Pain's abilities. Just a fun fact incase anyone missed it. (smirk)

-point number 2 is not right, kakashi is not alone when he figure out that 5 sec interval, the fodders help him to do that,

-and kakashi went to fight with j-man info

-so are you saying pain with full power will lose against kakashi and gai ?

 

[Hmph]

yes pain is not even trying, j-man even stated that nagato maybe underestimate him, but after entering SM, pain summon the other 2 and after that he finally acknowledge jiraiya by bringing all the path

You realise you've just bashed all of Jiraiya's feats?

Your logic is flawed, Pain tried to kill Kakashi one more than occasion

so if you continue this argument you're just supporting my clains. You do understand that, right?

right back at you

Nope. Kakashi figured most of it before they even arrived, he even confirmed it with Choji/Chouza.

-point number 2 is not right, kakashi is not alone when he figure out that 5 sec interval, the fodders help him to do that,

Read above. As I already explained Choji/Chouza hindered his attack, you have yet to refute this.

-and kakashi went to fight with j-man info

Did I deny this?

-so are you saying pain with full power will lose against kakashi and gai ?

Kakashi and Gai at the same time? They have a chance.

8 gates
plus Kamui spam
counters

=insane