Why Hashirama > BM Naruto

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

1. Random? It's ability is to supress bijuu chakra. What's random about that?

Fist of all his ability to subdue bijuus is only possible when the Bijuu itself is out in the field using Mokuton to bind it as long as they're wrapped around with the jutsu, just like chakra chains from tobi bounded the bijuus he has or like Kushina was able to for sometime with her weaker version of her chakra chains; OR the bijuu is trying to take over the jinchuriki's body in oder to materialize in the field; thus using his life force to push the chakra back inside the seal, and not really controlling it or suppressing its movements, just pushing the leaking chakra back into the seal.

So if you say that Bijuu mode COULD BE subdued by Mokuton release around its body... then what about Naruto just using Kurama's chakra now that he has full control of it and the seal isn't leaking and closed but rather mastered the dynamic of being a jinchuriki... what if he just uses the chakra just to replenish his own like when he was fighting Madara so that he can fight forever and not transform into bijuu mode? what then? your arguement is thrown out the window then because that way, naruto's access to kurama's chakra cannot be suppressed.

Base Hashirama > EMS Madara. Are you suggesting base Naruto > EMS Madara also?

dude you're forgetting that when naruto fought madara he had acces to more power, to mokuton and RINNEGAN + EMS. He got the rinnegan sometime rght before dying, so Harashima NEVER fought or has ever seen the Rinnegan in action.


base harashima... base naruto???? what the hell are you saying? there is no such a thing, all characters have their own powers and that's that; it's like saying base harashima --which would be mokuton powers but his taijutsu and base elements... or base naruto ---without sage mode, bijuu mode ect

so what about base madara? just sharingan but no ems? what're u saying

 

[Ryuu..]

There is no such thing as base Hashirama. There is just Hashirama.

As for Naruto, no you have no manga proof that says it was just Hashirama. There is however a manga quote that says that he gained control of the fox in their battle.

Do you know how much chakra it would take to keep the kyuubi suppressed while at the same time fighting EMS Madara? He couldn't have done it.

Just accept it, you lost. You don't have a solid argument, and everyone with a brain can see that.

EDIT: So you admit you lost. If he can't catch Naruto then he can't suppress his chakra. Your post above just ended this thread.

ahahah, how do you know Hashirama can't catch him? It's not stated how faxe Mokuton can actually be for someone who mastered it. That's just your opinion. So it can't be proved or disproved. You failed at winning this.

Fist of all his ability to subdue bijuus is only possible when the Bijuu itself is out in the field using Mokuton to bind it as long as they're wrapped around with the jutsu, just like chakra chains from tobi bounded the bijuus he has or like Kushina was able to for sometime with her weaker version of her chakra chains; OR the bijuu is trying to take over the jinchuriki's body in oder to materialize in the field; thus using his life force to push the chakra back inside the seal, and not really controlling it or suppressing its movements, just pushing the leaking chakra back into the seal.

So if you say that Bijuu mode COULD BE subdued by Mokuton release around its body... then what about Naruto just using Kurama's chakra now that he has full control of it and the seal isn't leaking and closed but rather mastered the dynamic of being a jinchuriki... what if he just uses the chakra just to replenish his own like when he was fighting Madara so that he can fight forever and not transform into bijuu mode? what then? your arguement is thrown out the window then because that way, naruto's access to kurama's chakra cannot be suppressed.

It can then, be repressed over and over, in an infinite cycle. What you must realise is that this is a HYPOTHETICAL battle my friend.

 

[Sasuno Tsawaki]

This seems legit

 

[Hexuze]

But Naruto would not be able to use Kurama during the fight. And so what if he's 16, what's that got to do with it. It only shows that he's not ready to challenge Hashirama, he's too young.

Sage Mode, I'm sure he can advance his sage mode even further since he teamed up with Kurama.

4th Hokage > Hashirama

And stop assuming so much we haven't even seen the battle yet, heck we don't even know if Madara lost on purpose or not.

 

[dareak]

The only problem here is that Kurama's chakra is a part of Naruto.
And not like before where Yamato could suppress it, Naruto is now a perfect jinchuuriki.

I love how you said "I see what you mean" and went on to argue like nothing happened.

Clown

 

[Ryuu..]

Sage Mode, I'm sure he can advance his sage mode even further since he teamed up with Kurama.

4th Hokage > Hashirama

And stop assuming so much we haven't even seen the battle yet, heck we don't even know if Madara lost on purpose or not.

It's a hypothetical battle, i'm allowed to assume. And what's this Minato > Hashirama nonesense??????????????

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

It's a hypothetical battle, i'm allowed to assume. And what's this Minato > Hashirama nonesense??????????????

each hokage is supposed to have surpass its predecessors right? that's not nonsense but fact.

IF that's an hypotetical battle and u're allowed to assume, so does he in saying which hokage is stronger.... otherwise your assumption would also fall into your own non-sense category.

 

[Ryuu..]

dude you're forgetting that when naruto fought madara he had acces to more power, to mokuton and RINNEGAN + EMS. He got the rinnegan sometime rght before dying, so Harashima NEVER fought or has ever seen the Rinnegan in action.


base harashima... base naruto???? what the hell are you saying? there is no such a thing, all characters have their own powers and that's that; it's like saying base harashima --which would be mokuton powers but his taijutsu and base elements... or base naruto ---without sage mode, bijuu mode ect

so what about base madara? just sharingan but no ems? what're u saying

You believe Naruto would defeat Hashirama. Hashirama defeated EMS Madara. I'm saying, do you believe that Naruto without Kyuubi chakra (Base Naruto) would defeat EMS Madara?

I have no clue why you're mentioning Rinnegan, I really don't.............

 

[Hexuze]

It's a hypothetical battle, i'm allowed to assume. And what's this Minato > Hashirama nonesense??????????????

FTG tech.... and hes done.

Don't even call me a minato fanboy lol, I'm not even much of a hokage fan

It was also stated in the manga and the anime that the 4th hokage was the "best of the best"

 

[Ryuu..]

each hokage is supposed to have surpass its predecessors right? that's not nonsense but fact.

IF that's an hypotetical battle and u're allowed to assume, so does he in saying which hokage is stronger.... otherwise your assumption would also fall into your own non-sense category.

SO you're saying Tsunade has surpassed Minato. :|

You've now lost all credibility LOL.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

It can then, be repressed over and over, in an infinite cycle. What you must realise is that this is a HYPOTHETICAL battle my friend.

there you go again, copping out once more, not answering to other people's arguments when you assume and demand that other people should respond to yours.

what i asked is, what would happen to your hypotetical assumption that he could suppress Bijuu mode if naruto just uses the bijuu chakra in the same way as he did to replenish his own when he was fighting madara.

that's not hypothetical as it has happened , what you must realize.

 

[dareak]

The only problem here is that Kurama's chakra is a part of Naruto.
And not like before where Yamato could suppress it, Naruto is now a perfect jinchuuriki.

I love how you said "I see what you mean" and went on to argue like nothing happened.

Clown

So by ignoring this, you admit that Hashirama cannot suppress Naruto's chakra?

 

[Hexuze]

SO you're saying Tsunade has surpassed Minato. :|

You've now lost all credibility LOL.

Jiraya was suppose to be hokage but he refused. Tsunade was the only one option left...

There weren't any "strong" ninja's to replace the 3rd hokage.

 

[Ryuu..]

there you go again, copping out once more, not answering to other people's arguments when you assume and demand that other people should respond to yours.

what i asked is, what would happen to your hypotetical assumption that he could suppress Bijuu mode if naruto just uses the bijuu chakra in the same way as he did to replenish his own when he was fighting madara.

that's not hypothetical as it has happened , what you must realize.

And I already told you, it would be supressed, Naruto would use it , it would be supressed, Naruto would use it......................it would be a cycle, so Naruto wouldn' t be able to use it no matter how many times he brings it back up.

 

[Ryuu..]

Jiraya was suppose to be hokage but he refused. Tsunade was the only one option left...

There weren't any "strong" ninja's to replace the 3rd hokage.

So you believe Jiraiya > Minato?

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[Virus..]

he done it againa god in prime ridoki madara

 

[Hexuze]

So you believe Jiraiya > Minato?

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Did I say Jiraya was stronger?

The elders had no choice but to ask Jiraya, cause no other ninja was stronger than him.

I don't think hes stronger, but it can change considering hes "coming back" and I'm positive that if he does come back he will have some OP powers that no one knows about.

 

[dareak]

You have admitted that Hashirama would lose to Naruto.

 

[Ryuu..]

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Did I say Jiraya was stronger?

The elders had no choice but to ask Jiraya, cause no other ninja was stronger than him.

I don't think hes stronger, but it can change considering hes "coming back" and I'm positive that if he does come back he will have some OP powers that no one knows about.

Ok, fair enough.

 

[Hexuze]

Yay I won ^_^