Excluding Kurama, does Naruto have more Chakra than EMS madara?

[MightGai]

I remember that Kakashi said that when he was explaining rasengan to Naruto, something about their chakra reserves, but did he said "You have 4 times more chakra than I without the Kyuubi"?I don't have that scan right now and I don't remember where to get the VIZ scans.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I remember that Kakashi said that when he was explaining rasengan to Naruto, something about their chakra reserves, but did he said "You have 4 times more chakra than I without the Kyuubi"?I don't have that scan right now and I don't remember where to get the VIZ scans.

That’s true. That being said, minatos seal allows the kyuubis chakra to slowly and permanently mix with narutos since birth. So it’s really unknown what his reserves would be solo. It’s also said it’s a lil bit of chakra that mixes. Anything would just be an educated guess. I’d put a guess on somewhere around double on his own, or a lil less than double. But again, there’s literally nothing to gauge it by as we don’t have specifics

 

[MightGai]

That’s true. That being said, minatos seal allows the kyuubis chakra to slowly and permanently mix with narutos since birth. So it’s really unknown what his reserves would be solo. It’s also said it’s a lil bit of chakra that mixes. Anything would just be an educated guess. I’d put a guess on somewhere around double on his own, or a lil less than double. But again, there’s literally nothing to gauge it by as we don’t have specifics

I'm just more interest in kakashi's statement since that's the starting point. I do remember him comparing his chakra with Naruto's, but I don't remember the exact wording

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I'm just more interest in kakashi's statement since that's the starting point. I do remember him comparing his chakra with Naruto's, but I don't remember the exact wording

He says it’s 4 times his own, and with the kyuubis chakra, more than a hundred? Except he says “4 fold” and “100 fold” in the viz iirc sally has the scan of the leakage since birth part

Edit: the convo about the 4/100 is in pt1 iirc I would assume chakra pool for adolescents would grow, but it’s just an assumption

 

[MightGai]

He says it’s 4 times his own, and with the kyuubis chakra, more than a hundred? Except he says “4 fold” and “100 fold” in the viz iirc sally has the scan of the leakage since birth part

Edit: the convo about the 4/100 is in pt1 iirc I would assume chakra pool for adolescents would grow, but it’s just an assumption

Ah, remembered now, Mangasee has the viz scans.

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Ok, so he has about 4 times kakashi's chakra without Kyuubi. Now:

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Assuming that higher stamina reserves = higher chakra reserves, then him being an Uzumaki with exceptional lifeforce + the training he received on his life should put him at least on equal standing with Madara.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Ah, remembered now, Mangasee has the viz scans.

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Ok, so he has about 4 times kakashi's chakra without Kyuubi. Now:

That's not correct that includes the chakra he's been receiving because of the 9 tails, he still gets that. The chakra he's been receiving has become a part of Naruto's reserves and is counted as his. I've posted the scans for that in the thread several times. Anyway he chakra Yamato is supressing is the chakra cloaks. Here's a part of the 3rd databook entry confirming what he supresses.

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[HowDidIGetPrem]

He says it’s 4 times his own, and with the kyuubis chakra, more than a hundred? Except he says “4 fold” and “100 fold” in the viz iirc sally has the scan of the leakage since birth part

Edit: the convo about the 4/100 is in pt1 iirc I would assume chakra pool for adolescents would grow, but it’s just an assumption

It's not just an assumption, Jiraiya told Kid Naruto that he was currently unable to summon a toad given his chakra amount at the time(when he could summon three no problem by the time Pain Arc arrived, if Kurama's chakra combined with Naruto's were only 4 times Kakashi's after over a decade, it certainly wasn't tripling to 12 times Kakashi's after just 2 years due to Kurama who's chakra leak seems to be consistent in output going by the word continuous.) & Kakashi's commentary of Sasuke using Fireball implies the increase occurs even within periods of months.

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Jiraiya also says that chakra can be increased through exercises.

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[MightGai]

That's not correct that includes the chakra he's been receiving because of the 9 tails, he still gets that. The chakra he's been receiving has become a part of Naruto's reserves and is counted as his. I've posted the scans for that in the thread several times. Anyway he chakra Yamato is supressing is the chakra cloaks. Here's a part of the 3rd databook entry confirming what he supresses.

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I meant without what he uses from the kyuubi, not what it's, at this point, his.

 

[salamander uchiha]

I meant without what he uses from the kyuubi, not what it's, at this point, his.

Okay, yeah without the cloaks he has 4 times Kakshi's chakra reserves.

It's not just an assumption, Jiraiya told Kid Naruto that he was currently unable to summon a toad given his chakra amount at the time(when he could summon three no problem by the time Pain Arc arrived, if Kurama's chakra combined with Naruto's were only 4 times Kakashi's after over a decade, it certainly wasn't tripling to 12 times Kakashi's after just 2 years due to Kurama who's chakra leak seems to be consistent in output going by the word continuous.) & Kakashi's commentary of Sasuke using Fireball implies the increase occurs even within periods of months.

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Jiraiya also says that chakra can be increased through exercises.

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Both these instances reference Kurama's chakra/cloak in some way. I think they can only be made more efficient or brought out to some degree. There are limits otherwise they could indefinitely increase their chakra reserves and Kakashi wouldn't be stuck on a 3(stamina sta) with average reserves.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

It's not just an assumption, Jiraiya told Kid Naruto that he was currently unable to summon a toad given his chakra amount at the time(when he could summon three no problem by the time Pain Arc arrived, if Kurama's chakra combined with Naruto's were only 4 times Kakashi's after over a decade, it certainly wasn't tripling to 12 times Kakashi's after just 2 years due to Kurama who's chakra leak seems to be consistent in output going by the word continuous.) & Kakashi's commentary of Sasuke using Fireball implies the increase occurs even within periods of months.

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Jiraiya also says that chakra can be increased through exercises.

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I miss that part 1 stuff. I was wrong tho, he tells naruto it’s 4 times in ship. So while he’s probably increased his chakra from the beginning of ship to war, I still don’t think a naruto with 4 times kakashis chakra(Let’s say 5 by war arc, and with Kurama tiny but mixed in) has as much chakra as madara did in the last hashi/madara vote fight.

The real oddity to me is how the only other jinc to really use it was bee. Yagura was a perfect jinc, but he got bamboozled. The rest were off paneled. Naruto and bee were the only ones that seemed as powerful as a jinc should be, at least imo.

 

[ninjarasengan]

I miss that part 1 stuff. I was wrong tho, he tells naruto it’s 4 times in ship. So while he’s probably increased his chakra from the beginning of ship to war, I still don’t think a naruto with 4 times kakashis chakra(Let’s say 5 by war arc, and with Kurama tiny but mixed in) has as much chakra as madara did in the last hashi/madara vote fight.

The real oddity to me is how the only other jinc to really use it was bee. Yagura was a perfect jinc, but he got bamboozled. The rest were off paneled. Naruto and bee were the only ones that seemed as powerful as a jinc should be, at least imo.

Was the thread talking about the Teen Naruto and Not the Adult who is actually around EMS Madara's age?

 

[Eos]

I miss that part 1 stuff. I was wrong tho, he tells naruto it’s 4 times in ship. So while he’s probably increased his chakra from the beginning of ship to war, I still don’t think a naruto with 4 times kakashis chakra(Let’s say 5 by war arc, and with Kurama tiny but mixed in) has as much chakra as madara did in the last hashi/madara vote fight.

The real oddity to me is how the only other jinc to really use it was bee. Yagura was a perfect jinc, but he got bamboozled. The rest were off paneled. Naruto and bee were the only ones that seemed as powerful as a jinc should be, at least imo.

This. This right here. And it's bugged me for so long. I was always so disappointed with the Gaara x Naruto fight. The Shukaku seemed so weak. I mean..Utakata barely even put up a fight again Pain.

Naruto was already said to have a good sized pool of chakra even without Kurama. Even if the seal wasn't slipping his chakra to Naruto I still feel he'd at least be on par with Madara's chakra pool even without Nine Tails.

Also don't the Uzumaki have larger chakra pools than Uchiha being descendants of Senju?
I thought Uchiha had large pools but less than Senju. Their chakra output was just more...potent... or stronger.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Was the thread talking about the Teen Naruto and Not the Adult who is actually around EMS Madara's age?

It doesn’t specify, I’m pretty sure most people consider war arc his peak so far

This. This right here. And it's bugged me for so long. I was always so disappointed with the Gaara x Naruto fight. The Shukaku seemed so weak. I mean..Utakata barely even put up a fight again Pain.

Naruto was already said to have a good sized pool of chakra even without Kurama. Even if the seal wasn't slipping his chakra to Naruto I still feel he'd at least be on par with Madara's chakra pool even without Nine Tails.

Also don't the Uzumaki have larger chakra pools than Uchiha being descendants of Senju?
I thought Uchiha had large pools but less than Senju. Their chakra output was just more...potent... or stronger.

They made most the jincs look like bitches save for gaara bee and naruto. Gaara was scary in pt1, then by trying to become a better person that part became less apparent, by the time he gets along with shukaku their no longer a duo.

It’s said they have great stamina, which corrolates to chakra. Although madara himself was an anomaly, as I’m sure it’s noted at some point he had a great amount of chakra, and that it was “sinister and evil”. I’d say nardo probably has more chakra than your average uchiha, but not madara

 

[Eos]

It doesn’t specify, I’m pretty sure most people consider war arc his peak so far



They made most the jincs look like bitches save for gaara bee and naruto. Gaara was scary in pt1, then by trying to become a better person that part became less apparent, by the time he gets along with shukaku their no longer a duo.

It’s said they have great stamina, which corrolates to chakra. Although madara himself was an anomaly, as I’m sure it’s noted at some point he had a great amount of chakra, and that it was “sinister and evil”. I’d say nardo probably has more chakra than your average uchiha, but not madara

I don't even think Gaara was that strong ... he was strong in general but I don't think it was ever because of the Shukaku. If the Shukaku had shown the power equal to Octo or Kurama, Naruto wouldn't have stood a chance in that fight...He seemed SOOO weak. The rest of them were all just completely lackluster.

Sasuke definitely had a higher than average chakra pool but it still pales to Naruto's. Idk. When Madara and Hashi fought it out it seemed like Madara had a large pool, maybe on par with Sasuke but I still don't see it being more than Naruto's natural pool. It's hard to say because we don't really know how much chakra Naruto got from Kurama over time that just blended in with his pool.

 

[SaskeyUchihahahaTard]

Naruto's natural chakra is around kakashi level if Kurama is completely removed. Those are the manga facts which rustle many.

lol that blatant lie though. kid naruto's natural chajra is 3x of kakashi.

 

[minamoto]

lol that blatant lie though. kid naruto's natural chajra is 3x of kakashi.

another saskey fabboy commenting...tute plz read scan where saski admitted his loss to naruto then learn how to admitt that to other NB memberz..

 

[salamander uchiha]

lol that blatant lie though. kid naruto's natural chajra is 3x of kakashi.

Damn another alt account read the manga and go through the thread, I and others have posted the scans many times.

 

[minamoto]

Damn another alt account read the manga and go through the thread, I and others have posted the scans many times.

sup hawmie!!..

 

[salamander uchiha]

sup hawmie!!..

Nothing much B

 

[Jinrou]

That’s true. That being said, minatos seal allows the kyuubis chakra to slowly and permanently mix with narutos since birth. So it’s really unknown what his reserves would be solo. It’s also said it’s a lil bit of chakra that mixes. Anything would just be an educated guess. I’d put a guess on somewhere around double on his own, or a lil less than double. But again, there’s literally nothing to gauge it by as we don’t have specifics

lol.. this is confusing. The bold does not seem possible because its stated that excess chakra cannot be reconverted back into stamina (

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) but rather goes to waste. Kurama chakra=/= stamina and it would be weird to think baby Nardo had the ability to convert chakra into stamina.