Excluding Kurama, does Naruto have more Chakra than EMS madara?

[Styles]

It would be redundant specifying that Naruto also cannot reconvert if its something that cannot be done at all. That said 40% goes to waste suggests that is the case and in the event that i'm incorrect (though i don't recollect the Tobirama scenario) its irrelevant to this topic as at that point, Naruto could not reconvert Chakra back into stamina and so Kurama's chakra can't expand his stamina as well. The seal was said to only let it leak through nothing about conversion.

Not to mention Kakashi doesn't even mention Kurama's chakra but Kurama's influence which could be anything tbh.



Agreed. But that does not mean we discredit the db entirely does it? Its also like how the scan Naruto X Hunter posted says Uchiha have enormous reserves but separate db's have Itachi and young Obito both with 2.5 in stamina. Granted Itachi had illness but compare 13 year old Obito (2nd db) with 12 year old Gaara's stamina in p1 (4) and its clear despite being an Uchiha, Obito didn't have large reserves pre senju implants but i'm not going to use that to discredit that NxH scan completely.

Also as per Karin, what makes her have low reserves? I think i read somewhere on this site that because Karin was going to get old from refueling Tsunade that meant she wasn't using chakra but vitality. That is the only tech Karin does 98% of the time in the entire manga iirc.. so how is it she has low reserves if she doesn't use chakra to heal?

Hm except IIrc the manga also said the Uchiha have unparalleled chakra along with their sharingan. Which makes the DB credible on that end.

karin always ran low on chakra from healing one time Sasuke vs Bee she ran out. And iirc Sasuke vs Danzo also during the war everyone got a chakra boost so at that time I guess we can say her reserves increased but she still only healed once and tsunade didn’t even get half her chakra back.

 

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Hm except IIrc the manga also said the Uchiha have unparalleled chakra along with their sharingan. Which makes the DB credible on that end.

So if the manga doesn't make a statement to corroborate the db it makes the db statement invalid?

karin always ran low on chakra from healing one time Sasuke vs Bee she ran out. And iirc Sasuke vs Danzo also during the war everyone got a chakra boost so at that time I guess we can say her reserves increased but she still only healed once and tsunade didn’t even get half her chakra back.

Healing of possible mortal injuries takes a lot of chakra though? Iirc, it took 4 regular medics (interchanging with another 4 making 8) and Shizune to heal Neji in p1? Also Byakugo was almost depleted according to Katsuyu and she refreshed Tsunade who should have big reserves and at least filled Byakugo to a reasonable point because Tsunade used Byakugo alongside Sakura to summon 10% Katsuyu and she wasn't visibly exhausted and even ended up taking down the small Mokujin thing.

 

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So if the manga doesn't make a statement to corroborate the db it makes the db statement invalid?



Healing of possible mortal injuries takes a lot of chakra though? Iirc, it took 4 regular medics (interchanging with another 4 making 8) and Shizune to heal Neji in p1? Also Byakugo was almost depleted according to Katsuyu and she refreshed Tsunade who should have big reserves and at least filled Byakugo to a reasonable point because Tsunade used Byakugo alongside Sakura to summon 10% Katsuyu and she wasn't visibly exhausted and even ended up taking down the small Mokujin thing.

That's the spirit! Jinrou with the Sakura wankery. :hugg::T_T:

 

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Healing of possible mortal injuries takes a lot of chakra though? Iirc, it took 4 regular medics (interchanging with another 4 making 8) and Shizune to heal Neji in p1? Also Byakugo was almost depleted according to Katsuyu and she refreshed Tsunade who should have big reserves and at least filled Byakugo to a reasonable point because Tsunade used Byakugo alongside Sakura to summon 10% Katsuyu and she wasn't visibly exhausted and even ended up taking down the small Mokujin thing.

Absolute nonsense as expected from a troll, you're trying to use a different medical jutsu like the one Shizune used to heal Neji to give Karin a false feat. When giving a simultude you use a like for like not what suits you.

On the point of Byakugou being depleted, Dan who has 4 stamina restored Tsunade's from being completely depleted whereas Karin was complaining about restoring it from still visible. That's not a feat if anything that proves her reserves at best Dan level or less. Taking down a mokujin isn't a feat of chakra intensity either her chains did that. Even then she had plenty of time between then and the fight with the Mokujin to recover chakra since restoring a visible Byakugou.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Karin’s reserves are enormous, enjoy

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[salamander uchiha]

Karin’s reserves are enormous, enjoy

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Mistranslated scan mate, me and styles have been arguing with Jinrou about this for a while now. And it doesn't tie in with the display in the manga.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Mistranslated scan mate, me and styles have been arguing with Jinrou about this for a while now. And it doesn't tie in with the display in the manga.

ok so what’s the actual translation?

 

[salamander uchiha]

Lol ok so what’s the actual translation?

Don't know, but if you look at the Japanese scan and look at the word enormous and all it's synonyms in Japanese. The characters for it don't exist in the original scan. Also any panels in a scan are always in relation to the manga page and what was said on it. If you want to compare objectively look at the 3rd databook scans where you have panels. It's always relevant to the event in the manga. It could be a fan boy translation like the one which claimed Nagato's rinnegan gave him immunity to visual genjutsu.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Don't know, but if you look at the Japanese scan and look at the word enormous and all it's synonyms in Japanese. The characters for it don't exist in the original scan. Also any panels in a scan are always in relation to the manga page and what was said on it. If you want to compare objectively look at the 3rd databook scans where you have panels. It's always relevant to the event in the manga. It could be a fan boy translation like the one which claimed Nagato's rinnegan gave him immunity to visual genjutsu.

Interesting

 

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Don't know, but if you look at the Japanese scan and look at the word enormous and all it's synonyms in Japanese. The characters for it don't exist in the original scan. Also any panels in a scan are always in relation to the manga page and what was said on it. If you want to compare objectively look at the 3rd databook scans where you have panels. It's always relevant to the event in the manga. It could be a fan boy translation like the one which claimed Nagato's rinnegan gave him immunity to visual genjutsu.

Interesting

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[salamander uchiha]

a quick Google translate revealed a bit...

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Yes but the word enormous or it's synonyms aren't there, we don't know what it's actually saying. And like I've said any panels mentioned are always in relation to the event in the manga. Read the officially translated Viz version of databook 3 and compare the panels and there text it's always in relation to the manga. And most importantly it doesn't tie in with her chakra demonstration in the manga (not very good).

Edit: Also the proof of Uzumaki blood according to the manga is red hair, powerful life force and fuinn jutsu(generally). If we were to take chakra as the measure as the bogus scan suggests then that leaves the door open to anybody with "enormous chakra" being Uzumaki blood. You see how that's flawed as we have many shinobi who aren't Uzumaki blood and have large chakra reserves. That alone dismisses the validity of the databook statement if right as being legitimate.

 

[Styles]

So if the manga doesn't make a statement to corroborate the db it makes the db statement invalid?



Healing of possible mortal injuries takes a lot of chakra though? Iirc, it took 4 regular medics (interchanging with another 4 making 8) and Shizune to heal Neji in p1? Also Byakugo was almost depleted according to Katsuyu and she refreshed Tsunade who should have big reserves and at least filled Byakugo to a reasonable point because Tsunade used Byakugo alongside Sakura to summon 10% Katsuyu and she wasn't visibly exhausted and even ended up taking down the small Mokujin thing.

Only if it contradicts then yea we go by the manga not the DB. Like for instance DB says naruto and Sasuke only have yin and yang separately but we know the manga Rinnegan give yin yang and yin yang release same as RSM. The DB says naruto used COAT but he don’t have yin release in the DB. See what I mean?

true but Sasuke vs Bee Sasuke wasn’t mortally wounded(Bee’s words) and she still ran really low on chakra. Neji’s case is different he was in a fatal state with a huge hole in his chest and iirc used gentle fist on himself.

karin didn’t really restore it tho considering Tsunade got to the war and helped Sakura summon katauyu and heal Shikamaru but said she had no chakra like few chapters later.

 

[Jinrou]

Only if it contradicts then yea we go by the manga not the DB. Like for instance DB says naruto and Sasuke only have yin and yang separately but we know the manga Rinnegan give yin yang and yin yang release same as RSM. The DB says naruto used COAT but he don’t have yin release in the DB. See what I mean?

true but Sasuke vs Bee Sasuke wasn’t mortally wounded(Bee’s words) and she still ran really low on chakra. Neji’s case is different he was in a fatal state with a huge hole in his chest and iirc used gentle fist on himself.

karin didn’t really restore it tho considering Tsunade got to the war and helped Sakura summon katauyu and heal Shikamaru but said she had no chakra like few chapters later.

First part makes sense. For the second did Bee really say that? Iirc, he lodged 7 swords in Sasuke and exclaimed he was going to finish him off with the last sword before Suigetsu intercepted.

I compare it to Neji because i see no reason bee wouldn't have targeted vital spots with the seven swords prior. In Neji's case it was one spot and even then Neji still used chakra to divert the arrow a little before it impacted him. Both cases required regeneration and in Neji's case it took like 9 people hours to patch him up while it basically took Karin no time to restore Sasuke despite having more spots to heal. And it wasn't in his chest. It was a hole closer to his shoulder iirc.

Lol you basically said Tsunade ran out few chapters later. That was because she was using the chakra through 10% Katsuyu to not only heal but replenish the entire alliance. I even recollect Sakura just about running out at the same time as Tsunade. I would edit this and put the scan in later.

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The fact though is that Tsunade being able to use Byakugo as much as she did shows Karin replenished it to a moderate level which is a feat considering she must have surrendered a lot of chakra to that and yet she showed no visible signs of fatigue and ended up wrecking the Mokujin that the kages were struggling with. Note that part of that chakra she gave Tsunade would also have been used to restore the other 4 kages.

 

[Styles]

First part makes sense. For the second did Bee really say that? Iirc, he lodged 7 swords in Sasuke and exclaimed he was going to finish him off with the last sword before Suigetsu intercepted.

I compare it to Neji because i see no reason bee wouldn't have targeted vital spots with the seven swords prior. In Neji's case it was one spot and even then Neji still used chakra to divert the arrow a little before it impacted him. Both cases required regeneration and in Neji's case it took like 9 people hours to patch him up while it basically took Karin no time to restore Sasuke despite having more spots to heal. And it wasn't in his chest. It was a hole closer to his shoulder iirc.

Lol you basically said Tsunade ran out few chapters later. That was because she was using the chakra through 10% Katsuyu to not only heal but replenish the entire alliance. I even recollect Sakura just about running out at the same time as Tsunade. I would edit this and put the scan in later.

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The fact though is that Tsunade being able to use Byakugo as much as she did shows Karin replenished it to a moderate level which is a feat considering she must have surrendered a lot of chakra to that and yet she showed no visible signs of fatigue and ended up wrecking the Mokujin that the kages were struggling with. Note that part of that chakra she gave Tsunade would also have been used to restore the other 4 kages.

Yea Sasuke used ration to deflect the attack and avoid fatal injury from Bee. Karin ran out of chakra from healing non fatal wounds.

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Neji’s was far different though his was life threatening and he had no chakra which supposedly in part 1 means death compared to Sasuke who wasn’t in that position what so ever.

ya her and Sakura summoned katsuyu and healed..... we don’t know for how long since the slime was gone like the next chapter then tsunade say she was out of chakra. The chakra helped but she was already keeping them alive on her own Karin cane just made the process faster due to her getting healed. We don’t know how much was replenished but it wasn’t half no where close actually.

Regarding Sakura shit is dumb she was out of chakra then vs Madara up and used Byakugou and had enough to open Kaguya’s dimensions for Obito.

 

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Yea Sasuke used ration to deflect the attack and avoid fatal injury from Bee. Karin ran out of chakra from healing non fatal wounds.

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Neji’s was far different though his was life threatening and he had no chakra which supposedly in part 1 means death compared to Sasuke who wasn’t in that position what so ever.

ya her and Sakura summoned katsuyu and healed..... we don’t know for how long since the slime was gone like the next chapter then tsunade say she was out of chakra. The chakra helped but she was already keeping them alive on her own Karin cane just made the process faster due to her getting healed. We don’t know how much was replenished but it wasn’t half no where close actually.

Regarding Sakura shit is dumb she was out of chakra then vs Madara up and used Byakugou and had enough to open Kaguya’s dimensions for Obito.

karin didn't run out of chakra while healing sasuke or tsunade, she

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like she did with sasuke(maybe healing wounds and just transferring chakra work on different scales(which makes even more sense when you facter that she bites herself to heal)).

With the chakra tsunade got from karin she healed to the point of reattaching her body and recovering her youth, then she heals the other 4 kage and then she

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and matched kn0 byakugou sakura to the point that they were running out of chakra at roughly the same time, despite healing an army well into the 10s of thousands. Mind you tsunade with years worth of byakugou chakra turned into a old hag after pain's attack, and this was sakura with 3 years for of chakra. Couple that with the fact that the main use of the 100 healing in this case was to

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and if thats not enough we can just look at kabuto's

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. Unless youre gonna pick hairs and say a tenacious lifeforce isn't synonymous with large amounts of chakra.

In Fact we've never seen karin run out of chakra and even when she didn't get the chance to heal and restore sasuke completely he was still able to use chadori twice on panel fight kakashi to a stand still, bust out v3 susanoo, and attempt to go v4 b4 blindness took him.

Her reserves aint nothing to scoff at.

 

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and if thats not enough we can just look at kabuto's

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. Unless youre gonna pick hairs and say a tenacious lifeforce isn't synonymous with large amounts of chakra.

Ignoring the BS Dan has a 4 in the stamina stat get he restored Tsunade's seal from 0 against Madara. As for lifeforce it isn't connected to chakra reserves.

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Dead Orochimaru's lifeforce is so strong that Kabuto fights against it not to be taken over. Yet Orochimaru had a 3.5 in the stamina stat according to the databook so I don't see the correlation.

In Fact we've never seen karin run out of chakra and even when she didn't get the chance to heal and restore sasuke completely he was still able to use chadori twice on panel fight kakashi to a stand still, bust out v3 susanoo, and attempt to go v4 b4 blindness took him.

Her reserves aint nothing to scoff at.

Sasuke still had an active sharingan and not his black eyes when Karin told him to bite her. So he wasn't out of chakra yet you can see his wound which Karin healed, how you took that to mean she restored his chakra is beyond me.

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Karin confirms she healed Sasuke there's no mention of restoring chakra.

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What surprises me is if Karin had these "large chakra reserves" then why didn't she heal herself. Or restore herself and escape while Sasuke was fighting the Konoha ninja? She had to be carried back to Konoha.

 

[Jinrou]

Yea Sasuke used ration to deflect the attack and avoid fatal injury from Bee. Karin ran out of chakra from healing non fatal wounds.

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Neji’s was far different though his was life threatening and he had no chakra which supposedly in part 1 means death compared to Sasuke who wasn’t in that position what so ever.

ya her and Sakura summoned katsuyu and healed..... we don’t know for how long since the slime was gone like the next chapter then tsunade say she was out of chakra. The chakra helped but she was already keeping them alive on her own Karin cane just made the process faster due to her getting healed. We don’t know how much was replenished but it wasn’t half no where close actually.

Regarding Sakura shit is dumb she was out of chakra then vs Madara up and used Byakugou and had enough to open Kaguya’s dimensions for Obito.

That didn't happen. Sasuke was tagged cleanly by Bee. He never used Raiton to deflect those swords. [

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What? lol.. he sent Gentle fist through Kido's webs and used Gentle fist to kill him except you think finger pokes only killed Kido? He was the way he was because of the injuries he received. Having chakra or not does not determine if you stay alive or die after being injured. The scenarios aren't entirely different. You think it would have taken that number of medics that long to heal him if Tsunade had been involved?

First, Katsuyu didn't disappear. She melted to become a foothold for healing and replenishing chakra [

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The chakra Tsunade uses to almost match Sakura is the chakra she got from Karin and you believe Byakugo wasn't filled even close to half? The Shinobi forces were above 80,000 in numbers iirc. Sure there were deaths.. but c'mon man lol

Actually, the fact you think Karin ran out from healing non fatal injuries doesn't make sense seeing as she was immediately back up scanning for Bee and wasn't visibly fatigued when she wanted to heal Sasuke again.

 

[salamander uchiha]

The chakra Tsunade uses to almost match Sakura is the chakra she got from Karin and you believe Byakugo wasn't filled even close to half? The Shinobi forces were above 80,000 in numbers iirc. Sure there were deaths.. but c'mon man lol

Not once is it said Karin restored Tsunade's Yin seal, the only thing which is confirmed is she healed Tsunade who couldn't use the seal to heal the Kage. Tsunade was debilitated(very weak) and was very weak since she's dying, trying to stay alive and heal the Kate at the same time. It''s also like been pointed out Dan restored the seal from 0 and he has a 4 stamina stat which you conveniently overlook.

The fact that Naruro healed everybody with his cloak, yet you imply that 80000 or so Shinobi were potentially healed by Katsyu. It seems you forgot the suction speed of the divine tree and how it functions the moment it absorbs you're pretty much dead. You wouldn't see such Shinobi running around and going back to the healing area to get healed. The lengths you go to to establish false feats for Karin and ignore her low chakra demonstrations.

It''s been seven years yet you still haven't stopped trolling.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Jinrou;21828230]That didn't happen. Sasuke was tagged cleanly by Bee. He never used Raiton to deflect those swords. [

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Bee did confirm Sasuke deflected his attacks through streaming lightning down his body thus avoiding a fatal wound

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In Fact we've never seen karin run out of chakra and even when she didn't get the chance to heal and restore sasuke completely he was still able to use chadori twice on panel fight kakashi to a stand still, bust out v3 susanoo, and attempt to go v4 b4 blindness took him.

Was sasuke out of chakra against danzo? I don't think so not sure why you give karin all the credit for the bold

 

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Bee did confirm Sasuke deflected his attacks through streaming lightning down his body thus avoiding a fatal wound

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Was sasuke out of chakra against danzo? I don't think so not sure why you give karin all the credit for the bold

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