[Discussion] Is Luffy way stronger than Zoro?

[Punk Hazard]

Yup. By current feats, Zoro would get stomped.

 

[Punk Hazard]

From wat we have seen luffy plays on a different league than zoro now. The mihawk dang is fun. His title r potrayed the greatest and not the strongest.

Wrong. He's called strongest and most powerful. Like, explicitly the opposite of this.

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Shanks title solos mihawk title. Mihawk got only a better sword skills.

If you're talking about the title of being one of the Yonko, it has been shown that the power in that title includes not just the Emperor's individual skill, but their crews and influence as well. Blackbeard, even after taking Whitebeard's power and showing substantial ability by injuring Sengoku during Marineford only got the title of Emperor once he claimed territories and built up his crew. Same with Luffy being referred to as the "Fifth Emperor."

The translation "Four strongest pirates" for the Yonko was a mistranslation; the actual phrase used in the Japanese manga was "four greatest pirate captains."

Haki strength shanks is superior than mihawks , very simple brate.

This has never been displayed. Also, Mihawk's title doesn't mean he's the most skilled at swordplay. It means if someone is a swordsman, he's more powerful. So even if Shanks has better individual stats like better Conqueror's or Armament Haki, he's still overall less powerful than Mihawk so long as he's a swordsman.

Manga showed that shanks is way above mihawk .

It never has.

Nothing wat mihawk showed so far make him a yonko in power levels.

Except for when he made sword slashes capable of cutting through ice made by Aokiji(a Yonko level character), matching the size of the tsunamis created by another Emperor(Whitebeard), which were way bigger than the moves created by another Emperor(Big Mom).

The age old Mihawk n Shanks debate
1)Mihawk is WSS n Shanks is Yonko(4strongest Pirate)
There title descriptions doesn't allow us put one over another

See above.

 

[Skull Knight]

Wrong. He's called strongest and most powerful. Like, explicitly the opposite of this.

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If you're talking about the title of being one of the Yonko, it has been shown that the power in that title includes not just the Emperor's individual skill, but their crews and influence as well. Blackbeard, even after taking Whitebeard's power and showing substantial ability by injuring Sengoku during Marineford only got the title of Emperor once he claimed territories and built up his crew. Same with Luffy being referred to as the "Fifth Emperor."

1) Luffy claimed Fishmen island he didn't got Yonko title
2) He made commanders at the end if Dressrosa,he didn't got Yonko title
3) 5th Emperor title was passed to him because he duel with a Yonko, survived BM in her backyard n bested 2 of her commanders.
Heck half if his crew wasn't there.

The translation "Four strongest pirates" for the Yonko was a mistranslation; the actual phrase used in the Japanese manga was "four greatest pirate captains."

Lol if Mihawk was a Yonko then Marines didn't needed so many Admirals pin one Yonko

This has never been displayed. Also, Mihawk's title doesn't mean he's the most skilled at swordplay. It means if someone is a swordsman, he's more powerful. So even if Shanks has better individual stats like better Conqueror's or Armament Haki, he's still overall less powerful than Mihawk so long as he's a swordsman.

Lol Mihawk has never bested Shanks. And titles means nothing like 4Greatest Pirate Captain- BM basically eats her crews(not so great ain't it)

It never has.

Even Mihawk has never shown he is above Shanks. You are only using title logic which holds no water as Luffy who isn't Yonko lvl is getting 5th Emperor title.

Except for when he made sword slashes capable of cutting through ice made by Aokiji(a Yonko level character), matching the size of the tsunamis created by another Emperor(Whitebeard), which were way bigger than the moves created by another Emperor(Big Mom)..

It was only ice. Pffff....even Chinjao use to cut ice.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

1) Luffy claimed Fishmen island he didn't got Yonko title
2) He made commanders at the end if Dressrosa,he didn't got Yonko title
3) 5th Emperor title was passed to him because he duel with a Yonko, survived BM in her backyard n bested 2 of her commanders.
Heck half if his crew wasn't there.

1. Sure..one territory is all it takes to become a yonko....the WG also don't know about Fishman Island.....
2. Because it neither Fujitora or WG knew about it at first...
3. One of he main reasons Luffy became an emperor was because his perceived military might.

Lol if Mihawk was a Yonko then Marines didn't needed so many Admirals pin one Yonko

Gross simplification. The admirals always stay at Marine HQ and lets not forget that they are the MILITARY fighting at their headquarters, with their opponent became someone who can easily destroy it. Sengoku himself said that victory and cutting down Ace was of the upmost importance. Guess what? One admiral was enough to overpower WB and the Marines had an overwhelming victory.

Lol Mihawk has never bested Shanks. And titles means nothing like 4Greatest Pirate Captain- BM basically eats her crews(not so great ain't it)

Shanks never bested Mihawk either. and they made many DUELS..if it was solely about skill, why does Oda himself call Fujitora a swordsman?..How come Zoro had a duel with Cabaji and call him swordsman despite the dude riding a unicycle?.....you are now denying the official manga translation.....

Even Mihawk has never shown he is above Shanks. You are only using title logic which holds no water as Luffy who isn't Yonko lvl is getting 5th Emperor title.

Even Shanks has never shown he is above Mihawk. You are only using a personal translation which holds no water as its contradicted by the official translation and guys like Kaku, Fujitora, Hyouzou, Ohm and Cabaji were still considered swordsman despite haki, crazy abilities etc..

It was only ice. Pffff....even Chinjao use to cut ice.

And all Shanks did was block Akainu's no named punch aimed at Coby. If this is a big deal, then Jinbe is almost equal to Shanks.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Jinbei would stomp Shanks.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Jinbei would stomp Shanks.

Humor me, because NB currently... or apparently so quiet.

 

[Skull Knight]

1. Sure..one territory is all it takes to become a yonko....the WG also don't know about Fishman Island.....
2. Because it neither Fujitora or WG knew about it at first...
3. One of he main reasons Luffy became an emperor was because his perceived military might.

Lol military might???
He bested 2 Yonko commanders which was the main reason Marines thinks 5th Commander has come

Gross simplification. The admirals always stay at Marine HQ and lets not forget that they are the MILITARY fighting at their headquarters, with their opponent became someone who can easily destroy it. Sengoku himself said that victory and cutting down Ace was of the upmost importance. Guess what? One admiral was enough to overpower WB and the Marines had an overwhelming victory.

1) Admirals don't stay at Marineford all the time that's y Luffy went there next day n nobody was there to protect it.
2)One admiral was enough pffff... Called 5Admirals n supposedly a Yonko to pin one old Yonko and then say they wanted overwhelming Victory which they pulled just because the hot head Ace went back to fight Akainu.

Shanks never bested Mihawk either. and they made many DUELS..if it was solely about skill, why does Oda himself call Fujitora a swordsman?..How come Zoro had a duel with Cabaji and call him swordsman despite the dude riding a unicycle?.....you are now denying the official manga translation.....

Yeah n there's guys who called themselves God n still got beaten by Mortals.

Even Shanks has never shown he is above Mihawk. You are only using a personal translation which holds no water as its contradicted by the official translation and guys like Kaku, Fujitora, Hyouzou, Ohm and Cabaji were still considered swordsman despite haki, crazy abilities etc..

The simple fact that Mihawk has territory n ghost girl n still doesn't count as Yonko is enough to prove that a large part of there power comes from Captains ability not from crews or allies(which majority thinks).

And all Shanks did was block Akainu's no named punch aimed at Coby. If this is a big deal, then Jinbe is almost equal to Shanks.

Lol Mihawks best attack didn't reach WB so???

 

[LBeezy]

Mihawk isn't guaranteed to be more powerful than anyone who has other means of attacking.. only as swordsmen does his title hold > than another character. (And still, that's only for now mind you, since we all know what happened at Marineford with WB and his "title")

If Shanks wants to punch him or shoot him or kick him in a fight, what happens now? If Mihawk doesn't have his sword, what happens now?
What good does the title do if there is no sword in play?

Exactly. The title can only be acknowledged when discussing swordsmanship. Nothing more. His title doesn't encompass DF abilities, haki, hand to hand combat, etc.

The Mihawk "fanbase" is beyond cancerous at this point.. ffs

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Humor me, because NB currently... or apparently so quiet.

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Don't even get me started on the real matchup. There's a reason Shanks and his goons are reluctant to eat DFs: they're afraid of being trapped underwater. If Jinbei can push back the Yonko that's known most for her defense, I'm sure he could push Shanks into some water and gain a significant advantage against an one armed, swimming man. Underwater, Shanks has two choices: to swing his sword or to move about. Both being inefficient in the face of Jinbei's marine speed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1) Luffy claimed Fishmen island he didn't got Yonko title
2) He made commanders at the end if Dressrosa,he didn't got Yonko title
3) 5th Emperor title was passed to him because he duel with a Yonko, survived BM in her backyard n bested 2 of her commanders.
Heck half if his crew wasn't there.

You have to claim substantial territory, gain substantial military might, AND gain significant power of your own to become an Emperor. You have to be ALL three at once, not just any one at some point in time. Not to mention that ALL of these things were mentioned when Luffy was informally called the Fifth Emperor, not just one. NONE of them were the "main" one, it was all of those things together.

Lol if Mihawk was a Yonko then Marines didn't needed so many Admirals pin one Yonko

The Marines were going for overkill. The main goal was to kill Ace, fighting Whitebeard was just something they had to do as a result of that, not their objective. So they got as much of their military might as possible for the war, and this was reflected in the fact that they won an overwhelming victory as Vandereich said.

Lol Mihawk has never bested Shanks. And titles means nothing like 4Greatest Pirate Captain- BM basically eats her crews(not so great ain't it)

Shanks has never bested Mihawk either. Also, are you slow? Being a great pirate doesn't mean "Oh, you're a fantastic person," it means great as in immense in scale. Everything that defines a pirate(crew, power, influence), Big Mom has it in immense amounts.

Even Mihawk has never shown he is above Shanks. You are only using title logic which holds no water as Luffy who isn't Yonko lvl is getting 5th Emperor title.

Except Mihawk's title is reinforced by Oda himself and the fact that it ties into Zoro's dream. To say Mihawk's title means nothing is to say that Zoro's character means nothing, and we both know that's not true.

It was only ice. Pffff....even Chinjao use to cut ice.

Ice created by an Admiral is more than likely gonna be stronger than just ordinary ice. And even if it's not, it's enough ice to measure up to a mountain, so cutting it is still an amazing power feat that's beyond anything Big Mom has shown.

Mihawk isn't guaranteed to be more powerful than anyone who has other means of attacking.. only as swordsmen does his title hold > than another character. (And still, that's only for now mind you, since we all know what happened at Marineford with WB and his "title")

If Shanks wants to punch him or shoot him or kick him in a fight, what happens now? If Mihawk doesn't have his sword, what happens now?
What good does the title do if there is no sword in play?

Exactly. The title can only be acknowledged when discussing swordsmanship. Nothing more. His title doesn't encompass DF abilities, haki, hand to hand combat, etc.

The Mihawk "fanbase" is beyond cancerous at this point.. ffs

Except at no point in the series have swordsmen ever been portrayed to have something stronger than their swordplay.

Shanks have a gun, a spear, a hammer, a whip, a cannon, and three Devil Fruits. With how swordsmen have been portrayed in One Piece, none of those things will be better than his swordplay. If you're a swordsman with gunplay and a martial art, portrayal in One Piece so far means that Mihawk's swordplay>your martial art and your gunplay.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

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Don't even get me started on the real matchup. There's a reason Shanks and his goons are reluctant to eat DFs: they're afraid of being trapped underwater. If Jinbei can push back the Yonko that's known most for her defense, I'm sure he could push Shanks into some water and gain a significant advantage against an one armed, swimming man. Underwater, Shanks has two choices: to swing his sword or to move about. Both being inefficient in the face of Jinbei's marine speed.

You said "Jinbe stomps Shanks" which obviously anyone would think of the 39 years old Shanks, not the 27 years old Shanks, that image were Shanks saved Luffy from the Sea King.

Akainu could kill Jinbe, but barely could step closer to Shanks.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Since we haven't seen Zoro go all out, using your gut instinct how far would you say the gap is between Luffy and Zoro?

If we use our foresight, they're both going to be Yonko level. Luffy for obvious reasons and Zoro because he's destined to become the worlds greatest swordsman, a title which places him on Mihawk's level who is >= Shanks. Also if we use hindsight, at the beginning of the series they were hovering around the same level and sparred evenly on Whiskey peak. They've both gotten way stronger together, but Luffy is still obviously the stronger man.

I've seen people say that Luffy's now way stronger than Zoro but considering what we've seen before, and where they're both destined to end up power wise, what would you say is the current gap between the two?

Except as far as combat ability goes Luffy is NOT Emporor level, and niether is Zoro, who isn’t stronger than him.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Zoro was trained by the stronger person, it would make sense he grew more if I'm not mistaken. Both are swordsman, and mihawk is the world's strongest

So mihawk > Rayleigh

Wrong, Rayleigh is stronger and more knlowledgeable than Mihawk, a man who drew with his former underlying. Rayleigh is Rogers first mate. Only thing Mihawk has over him is he’s younger.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

You said "Jinbe stomps Shanks" which obviously anyone would think of the 39 years old Shanks, not the 27 years old Shanks, that image were Shanks saved Luffy from the Sea King.

Akainu could kill Jinbe, but barely could step closer to Shanks.

Jinbei was just betting his innards on Luffy. That fist blazed hotter than the one that shredded WB's face. What do you think that says of Jinbei's durability?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Jinbei was just betting his innards on Luffy. That fist blazed hotter than the one that shredded WB's face. What do you think that says of Jinbei's durability?

It sure does say a lot, but are all Yonkou the same?

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It sure does say a lot, but are all Yonkou the same?

Nope. Unfortunately, WB just happened to be known as the strongest.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Nope. Unfortunately, WB just happened to be known as the strongest.

And now Kaidou is labeled not the strongest man, but creature, which it's kinda make it sounds like there are creatures stronger than Whitebeard when he was alive.

 

[LBeezy]

Except at no point in the series have swordsmen ever been portrayed to have something stronger than their swordplay.

Shanks have a gun, a spear, a hammer, a whip, a cannon, and three Devil Fruits. With how swordsmen have been portrayed in One Piece, none of those things will be better than his swordplay. If you're a swordsman with gunplay and a martial art, portrayal in One Piece so far means that Mihawk's swordplay>your martial art and your gunplay.

Only if said character sticks to their swordplay alone though..

Mihawk's title doesn't mean anything at all against any other form of fighting other than with a sword.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

And now Kaidou is labeled not the strongest man, but creature, which it's kinda make it sounds like there are creatures stronger than Whitebeard when he was alive.

"Now," after WB's death. Nothing to say he was called the strongest creature before then.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

"Now," after WB's death. Nothing to say he was called the strongest creature before then.

What's the difference between...

"Strongest Man In The World"

"Strongest Creature Alive"

Which one gives sense of strength more than the other?