[Tier] I remember when...

[Punk Hazard]

I didn't single out Katakuri.. I said any of her kids.

I didn't single out Observation Haki.. I said in general.. in anything.

Oda proved that this was indeed the case, with Katakuri and his observation haki..

This is manga facts as of chapter 862.

If you know how to read, it can't get any clearer my friend..

lol that's not what you said. You didn't say "Big Mom's kids could be better than her at Haki, or speed, or physical power."

You said Big Mom's kids could be stronger than her. Overall. I hope to god you're trolling, cause this is some hugely inept backpedaling.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Would give this 5/10

It's surprisingly okish

 

[LBeezy]

Would give this 5/10

It's surprisingly okish

Thanks

 

[Kushina89]

l*****y being dumbeezy

 

[Caliburn]

I remember when I said "hey my fellow One Piece fans, it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her."

and of course, alot of members doubted me and had some type of argument to disagree with me..

But manga facts say that Katakuri has shown better observation haki than his mother Big Mom.. so in fact, I was actually 100% right..

How crunchy do you haters feel?


All you hatin ass bıtches that tried to argue with me.. how do you feel?

I was right and yall was wrong.. sorry.. Oda proved me right and proved yall wrong.. GG tho.. xd hahaha xd

Yes. Exactly.. his observation haki is stronger than hers.


Holy crap.. do you know how to read?!?!?

I didn't single out Katakuri.. I said any of her kids.

I didn't single out Observation Haki.. I said in general.. in anything.

Oda proved that this was indeed the case, with Katakuri and his observation haki..

This is manga facts as of chapter 862.

If you know how to read, it can't get any clearer my friend..

And there's the boomerang. You better pray that Dogtooth beats the crap out of BM in one of the following chapters as pretty much everyone is now wondering whether you have the ability to properly read, write or think for that matter.

This is what you wrote yourself:

I remember when I said "hey my fellow One Piece fans, it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her."

and of course, alot of members doubted me and had some type of argument to disagree with me..

You followed that up with this:

But manga facts say that Katakuri has shown better observation haki than his mother Big Mom.. so in fact, I was actually 100% right..

There's only one way to interpret this, and that's that you are saying that because Dogtooth supposedly has better Observation Haki (which is not a 100% manga fact btw), he's stronger than Big Mum and that is a baseless claim as those two are not directly in relation to one another. These are your words, this is what you wrote and now you are trying to weasel yourself out of them with a crooked and non-sensical interpretation.

If the only thing you wanted to say was that it might be possible that some of BM's children are better than her in certain aspects (better and stronger are in most cases not the same thing), well you could have easily specified that instead of making such a huge, misplaced generalization. So you wrote something that's completely different to what you apparently wanted to say. You then failed to realize that, so your reading abilities aren't that terrific either and you then thought you could get away with an alternative twisted interpretation of your own words?

I'm convinced that some of you do not know how to read.

How does "Katakuri's observation haki is better than Big Mom's" = "Katakuri is physically stronger than Big Mom"?

Because that's almost exactly what you wrote, only what you wrote was even worse as you didn't mention the physical part, you made a huge generalization which could only be interpreted as that Katakuri is stronger than her overall. Read your own post. No one is going to interpret the words you wrote in the way you are interpreting them as that interpretation makes no sense.

I agree with Riker; I really hope you're trolling as if not, the only thing you are doing right now is mocking the level of your own intellect unknowingly and that's humiliating. It's one thing being completely oblivious to what you are exactly saying yourself, but it's another when you're going to bash and question the reading abilities of other people when they understand your own words better than you do.

 

[Itachi Minato]

My God this guy is a moron. Or the greatest troll this base has seen. You are basically saying katakuri is stronger than BM because he has better observation haki.

 

[LBeezy]

And there's the boomerang. You better pray that Dogtooth beats the crap out of BM in one of the following chapters as pretty much everyone is now wondering whether you have the ability to properly read, write or think for that matter.

Katakuri doesn't need to do this to prove anything..

The most recent chapter has shown that his observation haki is better (stronger, more efficient, etc. Whichever term you prefer)

I would love for you or anyone else to show me where I said Katakuri solos Big Mom in a 1v1 all out fight though.. because that's what the majority of you are implying I said, (or what this thread means) when it doesn't at all.

This is what you wrote yourself:



You followed that up with this:

What I "said" doesn't start in this thread only.. I am referring to a much older thread, when I had to argue with a few close minded members (seems to be quite a bit of them on NB if you haven't noticed already).

I specifically romanced the idea of Big Mom having a certain kid or even multiple children who could be stronger than her.

It was something I said might be possible.. I never stated it as a "fact".. just an idea.. a possibility.. the close minded members strolled in on their white horses with Oda on speaker phone and told me that it was impossible and unthinkable because Big Mom is a Yonko and her children are not.

Well.. guess what... Katakuri has just officially shown better observation haki feats than Big Mom.

These are feats now.. not just ideas and theories..

In this recent chapter Big Mom looked like a complete fool and didn't have nearly the slightest idea of what was going on compared to her son..

I made this thread because I love it when the manga proves these close minded members wrong. These members who love to feel like they're always right, especially when they attempt to belittle other members who are just discussing ideas and "what if" scenarios.. it's nice when Oda himself slaps them in the face.

There's only one way to interpret this, and that's that you are saying that because Dogtooth supposedly has better Observation Haki (which is not a 100% manga fact btw),

as far as chapter 862 is concerned his feats are > Big Mom's in that department.. so... yeah.. :bdpf:

he's stronger than Big Mum and that is a baseless claim as those two are not directly in relation to one another. These are your words, this is what you wrote and now you are trying to weasel yourself out of them with a crooked and non-sensical interpretation.

What I wrote is clearly being misinterpreted by you along with others..


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Spoiler

lol Cali pls

If the only thing you wanted to say was that it might be possible that some of BM's children are better than her in certain aspects (better and stronger are in most cases not the same thing), well you could have easily specified that instead of making such a huge, misplaced generalization. So you wrote something that's completely different to what you apparently wanted to say. You then failed to realize that, so your reading abilities aren't that terrific either and you then thought you could get away with an alternative twisted interpretation of your own words?

"Better" and "Stronger" are not always the same thing. This is true. But in the manga of One Piece, if your haki is stronger, it is better. If your haki is better, it is stronger.

:sdo:

Because that's almost exactly what you wrote, only what you wrote was even worse as you didn't mention the physical part, you made a huge generalization which could only be interpreted as that Katakuri is stronger than her overall. Read your own post. No one is going to interpret the words you wrote in the way you are interpreting them as that interpretation makes no sense.

Again.

That is not what I wrote.

And I'm very certain that YOU of all people, do in fact, know how to read.. damn near every post of yours in this section of the forum is always well written and insightful.. you're obviously an intelligent person.. which is why I truly have no clue how you can not see the difference between

"Katakuri's observation haki is better than Big Mom's"

and

"Katakuri solos Big Mom in a 1v1 cause he's physically stronger than her"

The latter being what some members are making my words out to be when they are not.. I'm not sure if they're doing this so they can feel better about themselves? or sleep easier at night? I have no clue..

But I'm clearly stating the former in this thread..

Until shown otherwise, manga feats, manga facts, whatever you want to call it, Katakuri has shown better observation haki than his mother Big Mom. Plain and simple.

If you can't comprehend that, then you seriously need to talk to Oda, because I can't make his manga any more black and white for you.

I agree with Riker; I really hope you're trolling as if not, the only thing you are doing right now is mocking the level of your own intellect unknowingly and that's humiliating. It's one thing being completely oblivious to what you are exactly saying yourself, but it's another when you're going to bash and question the reading abilities of other people when they understand your own words better than you do.

I really hope you're the one trolling at this point.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Ouch, i didn't contest you but good work being right. But do you really need to get rub it in peoples faces who you don't even know ? Lol

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ouch, i didn't contest you but good work being right. But do you really need to get rub it in peoples faces who you don't even know ? Lol

How was he right lmao? He didn't say Big Mom's kids might be better at one or two things than Big Mom, and we didn't say they can't be.

He said they'd beat her in a fight. He said Big Mom's kids might be stronger than her. Not only was what he's saying now NOT what he said before, nothing was confirmed this chapter. Don't feed this troll's ego

 

[WhistleBlower]

How was he right lmao? He didn't say Big Mom's kids might be better at one or two things than Big Mom, and we didn't say they can't be.

He said they'd beat her in a fight. He said Big Mom's kids might be stronger than her. Not only was what he's saying now NOT what he said before, nothing was confirmed this chapter. Don't feed this troll's ego

Lol, as smoker would say "trolls will always be trolls" .

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Lol, as smoker would say "trolls will always be trolls" .

In the link is posted int eh 2nd page, he directly says Luffy>Big Mom for 3 reasons:

1-Luffy has more brute strength
2-Captains aren't always the strongest in their crew so her children are stronger
3-Not only is she a woman, she's a mother and all mothers are weaker than their children

He declared all of this as a fact. Now all of a sudden he's trying to say that they are only better than in her in some aspects....AFTER directly saying that BM children are stronger than her & Katakuri proves it in his opening posts....Either he's trolling or very bad at generalizing & understanding his own words.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Don't feed this troll's ego

He's not trolling. He's just convinced by his own ideas, which it's crazy.

 

[WhistleBlower]

In the link is posted int eh 2nd page, he directly says Luffy>Big Mom for 3 reasons:

1-Luffy has more brute strength
2-Captains aren't always the strongest in their crew so her children are stronger
3-Not only is she a woman, she's a mother and all mothers are weaker than their children

He declared all of this as a fact. Now all of a sudden he's trying to say that they are only better than in her in some aspects....AFTER directly saying that BM children are stronger than her & Katakuri proves it in his opening posts....Either he's trolling or very bad at generalizing & understanding his own words.

Oh wow, yeah i didn't read the comments in between his original post and mine. My bad.

 

[Caliburn]

Katakuri doesn't need to do this to prove anything..

The most recent chapter has shown that his observation haki is better (stronger, more efficient, etc. Whichever term you prefer)

I would love for you or anyone else to show me where I said Katakuri solos Big Mom in a 1v1 all out fight though.. because that's what the majority of you are implying I said, (or what this thread means) when it doesn't at all.




What I "said" doesn't start in this thread only.. I am referring to a much older thread, when I had to argue with a few close minded members (seems to be quite a bit of them on NB if you haven't noticed already).

I specifically romanced the idea of Big Mom having a certain kid or even multiple children who could be stronger than her.

It was something I said might be possible.. I never stated it as a "fact".. just an idea.. a possibility.. the close minded members strolled in on their white horses with Oda on speaker phone and told me that it was impossible and unthinkable because Big Mom is a Yonko and her children are not.

Well.. guess what... Katakuri has just officially shown better observation haki feats than Big Mom.

These are feats now.. not just ideas and theories..

In this recent chapter Big Mom looked like a complete fool and didn't have nearly the slightest idea of what was going on compared to her son..

I made this thread because I love it when the manga proves these close minded members wrong. These members who love to feel like they're always right, especially when they attempt to belittle other members who are just discussing ideas and "what if" scenarios.. it's nice when Oda himself slaps them in the face.


as far as chapter 862 is concerned his feats are > Big Mom's in that department.. so... yeah.. :bdpf:

What I wrote is clearly being misinterpreted by you along with others..


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Spoiler

lol Cali pls

"Better" and "Stronger" are not always the same thing. This is true. But in the manga of One Piece, if your haki is stronger, it is better. If your haki is better, it is stronger.

:sdo:




Again.

That is not what I wrote.

And I'm very certain that YOU of all people, do in fact, know how to read.. damn near every post of yours in this section of the forum is always well written and insightful.. you're obviously an intelligent person.. which is why I truly have no clue how you can not see the difference between

"Katakuri's observation haki is better than Big Mom's"

and

"Katakuri solos Big Mom in a 1v1 cause he's physically stronger than her"

The latter being what some members are making my words out to be when they are not.. I'm not sure if they're doing this so they can feel better about themselves? or sleep easier at night? I have no clue..

But I'm clearly stating the former in this thread..

Until shown otherwise, manga feats, manga facts, whatever you want to call it, Katakuri has shown better observation haki than his mother Big Mom. Plain and simple.

If you can't comprehend that, then you seriously need to talk to Oda, because I can't make his manga any more black and white for you.





I really hope you're the one trolling at this point.

I was half and half being sarcastic. My point was that if Dogtooth actually beats BM, you suddenly have something that could save you from this antlion pit you have been sinking in this entire thread.

Read my first comment in this thread about the CoO as you're having a very linear perception of what is in fact a passive/supplementary ability. Unlike the CoA where, as Zoro and Pica demonstrated, a difference will end up in the weaker one being obliterated in a direct confrontation, the CoO is not a skill where you can directly pit characters against one another due to its non-confrontional nature and it has a variety of uses. Dogtooth can see a few seconds into the future while Fujitora for example solely sees through the usage of his CoO. There is no objective way to determine who here is now the best user as that almost completely depends on the situation it's used in and on personal preferences. So this chapter has proven absolutely nothing except that Dogtooth's precognition has quite a bit of flaws. And in regards to your statement of being better at haki automatically makes you stronger, weren't you only talking about observation Haki? You're seriously contradicting yourself here big time as that statement only holds ground taking someone's haki qualities as a whole into consideration, not just observation. And we know BM has the King's Disposition, which would lead to the most rational conclusion, not in the least because she is a Yonkou and Dogtooth her subordinate, that her haki is superior to his. It's very well possible her specialty lies with CoA and not with CoO. With that you just pushed your own arguments down the antlion pit with you.

However that was not my main point as I even said previously that even if you assume Dogtooth's observation is objectively better, it makes zero difference whatsoever as that does not mean he is stronger than Big Mum as that's a different matter altogether. That's a fact, still that's exactly what you said yourself in your very first post and it's that statement almost everyone in this thread (and probably the previous one, I don't know) was disagreeing with.

Dogtooth having better CoO than Big Mum is not the same thing as him being stronger than her, still that's exactly what you said in your first post. Seriously read your own first post, multiple times it has been shown to you and I shall quote it yet again:

I remember when I said "hey my fellow One Piece fans, it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her."

and of course, alot of members doubted me and had some type of argument to disagree with me..

But manga facts say that Katakuri has shown better observation haki than his mother Big Mom.. so in fact, I was actually 100% right..

Here you clearly say that Dogtooth is stronger than BM because his CoO is better. We're not implying anything here as that's the only way how you can interpret this post of yours. If that was not your intention, well then it's your fault for formulating your own statement in a confusing and wrong way and then it's also your fault that people are disagreeing with you as what your wrote and what you wanted to write are not the same freaking thing. However instead of apologizing and correcting your post, you are bashing them and pretend it's their fault. And you just did it again in this post: you say that because Dogtooth has better CoO, he's stronger than Big Mum. Are you that oblivious?

Being "stronger than" and "being better at" are not automatically the same thing. People disagreeing with you because you said that Dogtooth is stronger than BM is something different than people disagreeing with you because you said that Dogtooth is better at something specific. But you converged those two together. If everyone is disagreeing with you because they think you said the former, which you indeed did, then who are you actually bashing if you meant the latter?

Seriously I'm spoon-feeding you here. Also you are really not one to talk about being close-minded and belittling people when you just made a thread to mock people for disagreeing with a statement you made, but was in fact different from the actual statement you wanted to make and now you're indeed trying to weasel your way out of your own screw up by blaming it on interpretation issues.

I know how to read, most people in this thread know how to read. We read your post and we are now wondering whether you are screwing with us or that you are that oblivious to the meaning of your own words as despite people pointing out that what you wanted to say is not the same thing you explained in your first post, you are bashing them and questioning their reading abilities instead of admitting you formulated your statement in a wrong way and edit your post to avoid further confusion.

Frankly you pretty much made it clear what now the cause of this mess is of yours as you don't make something that is not black & white, black & white. That's how you create confusion and if OP is something not, it's definitely being black & white.


Let make it clear with examples what you just did:

"Chopper might be stronger than Zoro as manga facts have shown he has got prettier eyes."

"Usopp might be stronger than Blackbeard as manga facts have shown his nose is longer."

"Nami might be stronger than Kaidou as manga facts have shown she's much smarter."

The first half of those sentences have nothing to do with the 2nd half. So that first half of your post that we have been quoting endlessly has no business being there as it completely changes the meaning of what you tried to say. But instead of admitting your mistake and apologize, you tried to make us accept a forced and highly subjective interpretation of the English language that makes little to no sense as there is no difference between that and you saying:

"Dogtooth might be stronger than Big Mum as manga facts have shown his CoO is better".

 

[Love Cook]

Well you've had your fun for one week. Big Mom is here to put an end to this thread.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Well you've had your fun for one week. Big Mom is here to put an end to this thread.

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You just showed a page of Big mam's observation haki being inferior to Dogtooth because she did not see Luffy's motives like he did. I think the point LBreezy is trying to make is that dogtooth has the potential to surpass his mom and in given situations as well.

Personally I say Big mam is superior but dogtooth has all the makings to excel her with time and potential.

 

[Love Cook]

You just showed a page of Big mam's observation haki being inferior to Dogtooth because she did not see Luffy's motives like he did. I think the point LBreezy is trying to make is that dogtooth has the potential to surpass his mom and in given situations as well.

Personally I say Big mam is superior but dogtooth has all the makings to excel her with time and potential.

Wow this post would be excellent if this was on page 1, You hit all the right notes, you understand what this discussion is about.

HOWEVER

On page 3 you kind of missed the snark and sarcasm here towards Beezy. Because nobody is denying what you're saying here.

Also maybe less thinking and more reading because the point that Beezy wanted to make clear is stated in the opening post.

"it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her."

If you still want to back-up that statement, be my guest.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Wow this post would be excellent if this was on page 1, You hit all the right notes, you understand what this discussion is about.

HOWEVER

On page 3 you kind of missed the snark and sarcasm here towards Beezy. Because nobody is denying what you're saying here.

Also maybe less thinking and more reading because the point that Beezy wanted to make clear is stated in the opening post.

"it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her."

If you still want to back-up that statement, be my guest.

Well since it's a broad statement, he's not entirely wrong when one of the children are stronger in terms of observation haki. Mr. sarcastic dickhead.
Too many Riker's in this section I swear.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well since it's a broad statement, he's not entirely wrong when one of the children are stronger in terms of observation haki. Mr. sarcastic dickhead.
Too many Riker's in this section I swear.

Don't be an idiot. In the threads this started in, he was talking about overall strength.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

^You keep quit moron, and deal what happened in the last thread.