[Tier] I remember when...

[Vandenre1ch]

L*****y upset that know one believes his BS because he doesn't have a shred of evidence? Damn...how desperate can one person be...also, judging form your list of people who upset you, it seems I upset you the most. Not my fault you don't like how logic doesn't mix with your BS.

 

[Gintõki1]

No wonder people think the OP fanbase is only full of idiots.

 

[Wrappering_]

Katakuri is a scrub. You haven't seen a real Hacking mastery, yet.
The likes of Shanks, Roronoa and Hawkeye are way above & beyond that vagabond.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

WOW! You're a special kind of person aren't you?

I beieve I am.

The manga has clearly shown us 100% that Katakuri has better observation Haki than Big Mom.

Tell that to Enel who got his ass whoopin by a rubber guy.

This is fact. Not opinion.

I put my money on Sugar to defeat Kaidou, Big Mom and Shanks with a single touch. Not punch.

If this changes in a future chapter then OK cool.

No, it's not cool. Not cool at all.

But since I'm not Katakuri himself, I can't see into the future, so as of now, based on current manga feats, I was right.

Seriously, dude.

When I brought up this possibility weeks ago, there were members who acted like this was impossible and tried to argue and debate this.

All I can give them is my condolences for losing brain cells.

If you don't know already, these certain members are the ones who discuss One Piece as if they are Oda himself and everyone is wrong and they are right.

No body is Oda. Even Caliburn.

YOU HEAR ME, CAL? YOU ARE NOT ODA!

It's nice when the manga proves them wrong.

I know this feel.

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It's funny because you weren't always like these members, but you've slowly started to become just like them.. very dissapointing.. but oh well.. :bdpf:

Just because I disagreed with you, I'm like them now? You're so adorable.

Don't put me on the same scale as them.

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[Punk Hazard]

Law's Buso harder than Doffy's and Luffy's? No. That doesn't feel right.

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Luffy said his Haki isn't good enough to stop sharp attacks.

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This implies a direct correlation between strength of Busoshoku Haki and being able to stop sharp attacks.

We can see this again when Doflamingo cuts through Luffy's Haki.

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We can see that again when Doflamingo catches Law's sword and it cuts his hand, implying that like Luffy's, his Haki isn't strong enough to stand up to sharp attacks.

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But we can see Law's Haki is strong enough to withstand sharp objects here, indicating his is superior in quality.

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This makes sense too, considering that Luffy's specialty is Haoshoku, not Busoshoku. It's not like Luffy's Busoshoku HAS to be stronger than Law's.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Luffy said his Haki isn't good enough to stop sharp attacks.

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This implies a direct correlation between strength of Busoshoku Haki and being able to stop sharp attacks.

We can see this again when Doflamingo cuts through Luffy's Haki.

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We can see that again when Doflamingo catches Law's sword and it cuts his hand, implying that like Luffy's, his Haki isn't strong enough to stand up to sharp attacks.

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But we can see Law's Haki is strong enough to withstand sharp objects here, indicating his is superior in quality.

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This makes sense too, considering that Luffy's specialty is Haoshoku, not Busoshoku. It's not like Luffy's Busoshoku HAS to be stronger than Law's.

OK. Isn't Doffy's Athlete a cutting attack? If so, it's sharp, right? It didn't cut through Luffy's body in G4.

 

[Punk Hazard]

OK. Isn't Doffy's Athlete a cutting attack? If so, it's sharp, right? It didn't cut through Luffy's body in G4.

Which, as noted by Doflamingo, is the result of his enhanced elasticity. Notice he says he's bending like rubber.

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Cutting something is accomplished by the extremely small surface of a blade applying pressure down onto another surface, causing that surface to split. Because Luffy's body mass is much higher in Gear Fourth, he'd be more rubbery. His body can compress down further under the pressure of the slicing attack more than normal, far enough that the pressure doesn't cause his skin to split. We can see the effects of his enhanced rubbery-ness when he bounces off of the ground and all the walls around him and can't stay still because of it.

We can see this when Cracker slices into Luffy's arm[

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Notice that Luffy's body is even bigger in Tankman, and Cracker makes the same note that Doflamingo did, that he was still rubbery while coated.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Riker and Love Cook and Dannie and Vanderbıtch for sure.. although there were too many others.. lol xd thank you CloyEscapade!

Well this explains a lot. Especially the habitual trash can Riker. Akainu beating WB, BB not being a yonkou during timeskip, and a whole bunch of other nonsense. The other is just a hardcore fanboy while the other two are just bandwagon idiots.

Not saying that Big mom is weaker than her kids but anything is open to interpretation. It's a subjective matter and can be debated about depending on the conditions.

 

[Caliburn]

You do realize that this will most likely come back like a boomerang and smack you right in the face?

The claim that Dogtooth has better Observation Haki than BM is still very well questionable. There is a reasonable chance, however unlike Armament Haki which is very straightforward, the CoO is much more nuanced and variated in terms of sensitivity and scope. Rayleigh for instance was able to sense Luffy on the other side of an island and Fujitora practically "sees" with his Observation Haki. So this subjective 100% claim of yours is not that certain as you make it out to be

But lets assume that is indeed the case. That and being stronger than BM are two completely different matters. There have been several characters that had a strong affinity for the CoO, but that didn't automatically qualify them as being strong characters. For example queen Otohime was very adept at it, however her body was incredibly fragile and Aisa, the girl from Skypeia, was likewise very good at it, but she's a child.

So even if Dogtooth would have the strongest CoO in the world, that doesn't say anything about him potentially being stronger than BM. And saying that he's better in one specific department is pointless as for example Nami does better than BM in the beauty department while Brook is most likely a better musician. It's not like all the Yonkou are omnipotent beings.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well this explains a lot. Especially the habitual trash can Riker. Akainu beating WB

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BB not being a yonkou during timeskip

Huh? When did I say this?

and a whole bunch of other nonsense. The other is just a hardcore fanboy while the other two are just bandwagon idiots.

Still understanding the manga way better than some clown who refuses to debate with people that outclass him. Funny how you like to take your shots but don't have the balls to actually address any argument I make and you slink behind the ignore button instead.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Well this explains a lot. Especially the habitual trash can Riker. Akainu beating WB, BB not being a yonkou during timeskip, and a whole bunch of other nonsense. The other is just a hardcore fanboy while the other two are just bandwagon idiots.

Not saying that Big mom is weaker than her kids but anything is open to interpretation. It's a subjective matter and can be debated about depending on the conditions.

And you are? Seriously who are you? So I'm a bandwagon idiot for thinking that Akainu>Old WB when he clearly saw that he gets heart attacks, allowing for Akainu to punch a whole in him & fodder to land dozens of clean hits?

Who said BB wasn't a yonko during the timeskip? That was revealed almost 5 years ago so I have no idea what you're pulling out your ass. All you have to do is have at least a basic understanding of the manga. Taking shots because you're upset that people disagree with your cyanide will get you nowhere.

Was wondering why LB!tichy hates me, Riker & Dannie so much and I found this(good thing don't post here often so things are easy to find).

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The topic where LB!tchy kept claiming Luffy.Big Mom because she's a woman and that she's weaker than her subordinates for some reason. The 3 of us were the ones shutting down his dream and that is when he started the trolling persona.

 

[Dannie]

Riker and Love Cook and Dannie and Vanderbıtch for sure.. although there were too many others.. lol xd thank you CloyEscapade!

You should learn to keep my name out of your mouth. It isn't nice.

Well this explains a lot. Especially the habitual trash can Riker. Akainu beating WB, BB not being a yonkou during timeskip, and a whole bunch of other nonsense. The other is just a hardcore fanboy while the other two are just bandwagon idiots.

Who are you again? Oh right, you're one of those retards that belongs in NDS with the other trash discussions.

OT: This chapter didn't prove nothing, and the only thing this thread proves is that you like to make a fool out of yourself and you're probably around the age of like 10.

Having superior Observation haki =/= an indicator that Katakuri is stronger than BM nor does the notion of her asking Katakuri what happened an indicator.

And it's funny how you choose to ignore the fact that Mama was built like a balloon and hyped to tank any normal attacks and receive little damage, so why aren't we accepting and assuming the fact that BM is stronger than Katakuri because her armament haki is superior to Katakuri's?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

LBeezy vs scorezor vs babagareeb who makes the dumbest threads?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

LBeezy vs scorezor vs babagareeb who makes the dumbest threads?

No one. Someone claimed that title. Need a hint?

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[-Akuma-]

Does this mean Sanji is the strongest SH?

 

[LBeezy]

I'm convinced that some of you do not know how to read.

How does "Katakuri's observation haki is better than Big Mom's" = "Katakuri is physically stronger than Big Mom"?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I'm convinced that some of you do not know how to read.

How does "Katakuri's observation haki is better than Big Mom's" = "Katakuri is physically stronger than Big Mom"?

I remember when I said "hey my fellow One Piece fans, it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her."

and of course, alot of members doubted me and had some type of argument to disagree with me..

But manga facts say that Katakuri has shown better observation haki than his mother Big Mom.. so in fact, I was actually 100% right..

How crunchy do you haters feel?


All you hatin ass bıtches that tried to argue with me.. how do you feel?

I was right and yall was wrong.. sorry.. Oda proved me right and proved yall wrong.. GG tho.. xd hahaha xd

This.....................

 

[LBeezy]

This.....................

Yes. Exactly.. his observation haki is stronger than hers.


Holy crap.. do you know how to read?!?!?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Yes. Exactly.. his observation haki is stronger than hers.


Holy crap.. do you know how to read?!?!?

You said "it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her". You didn't mention Katakuri. You didn't mention Observation Haki.

 

[LBeezy]

You said "it is possible that some of Big Mom's children might be stronger than her". You didn't mention Katakuri. You didn't mention Observation Haki.

I didn't single out Katakuri.. I said any of her kids.

I didn't single out Observation Haki.. I said in general.. in anything.

Oda proved that this was indeed the case, with Katakuri and his observation haki..

This is manga facts as of chapter 862.

If you know how to read, it can't get any clearer my friend..