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Sasuke's Revolution plan was solid. The newest storylines are further proving it.

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Naruto X Hunter said:
Reread the comment. This time slowly.
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There is no need to be rude.

I am talking about your biased first post which is the central idea for this thread and you are wrong.

Sasuke Revolution was all about Older brother issues and cutting down the past (personally and Shinobi world wise). The whole plan was more emotional than logic. If you can't understand this then go read chapter 694 again because your boy clearly says that "connections make life painful". We are talking about an Uchiha, crazy as they come, acting all tough saying that he could handle all the hate...

God damn, Sasuke developed tyrant tendencies because of his trauma from having his parents killed. You as a fan can thank good old Naruto for some on-site therapy.
 
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What does Killing the Kage and the tailed beasts have to do with interdimensional threats?
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Killing the Kages and abolishing the Villages utterly ends the militancy threats once and for all. There would be no more mass-scale wars waged simply because the military funds are drying out, no cross-border terrorism, mass-genocides and needless wars; the kind these greedy Kages had fought thrice and left nothing but droves of displaced innocents and orphans in their wake with no financial aid for them as a remedy for the inhuman destruction they caused, which led to the formation of more militia groups that flourished on their funding to create a complete system that thrived on funding, unending corruption and extreme facism.

Ending this tradition means dismantling and ending the nexus of corruption. Killing the tailed-beasts ends the threats of utilizing them as weapons of mass destruction. These are two destructive forces out of the equation of global security; a world overseen by an immortal. If you cannot see merit in this, then it's laughable.

Whilst, Sasuke's plan wasn't articulated as well as it should have been (typical plot close-up issue), it was far more sound and logical than anything anyone in the manga has suggested. Especially, "care-bear, bunny no Jutsu" rubbish Naruto Wankers support. But, since they require extended maps to make it to their house-hold toilets, one cannot expect much from them.
 
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shelke said:
Killing the Kages and abolishing the Villages utterly ends the militancy threats once and for all. There would be no more mass-scale wars waged simply because the military funds are drying out, no cross-border terrorism, mass-genocides and needless wars; the kind these greedy Kages had fought thrice and left nothing but droves of displaced innocents and orphans in their wake with no financial aid for them as a remedy for the inhuman destruction they caused, which led to the formation of more militia groups that flourished on their funding to create a complete system that thrived on funding, unending corruption and extreme facism.

Ending this tradition means dismantling and ending the nexus of corruption. Killing the tailed-beasts ends the threats of utilizing them as weapons of mass destruction. These are two destructive forces out of the equation of global security; a world overseen by an immortal. If you cannot see merit in this, then it's laughable.

Whilst, Sasuke's plan wasn't articulated as well as it should have been (typical plot close-up issue), it was far more sound and logical than anything anyone in the manga has suggested. Especially, "care-bear, bunny no Jutsu" rubbish Naruto Wankers support. But, since they require extended maps to make it to their house-hold toilets, one cannot expect much from them.
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If you know it wasn't articulated well, why do you believe it would be successful? I can understand you wanting it to be successful due to the past, but as it stands the plan is terrible. It's about the same as Naruto's pursuit for absolute peace. If anything, Madara and Obito's plan were more sound than that. Except they didn't account for contingencies such as Zetsu using everyone to revive Kaguya. And their plan required decades of planning. Whereas as 17 year old only goals were to make everyone hate him, destroy the bijuu, and kill the kages. Believing that would cease fighting or focus efforts towards him and cease fighting amongst themselves.

It's funny that Sasuke realized how bad his ideals and plan were and yet threads like these still come about.
 
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Naruto X Hunter said:
And what was Naruto's plan? "Let's just hope everyone continues to get along after the war because they decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone" ? What if they seperated and began to oppose each other as they always had beforehand? What was Naruto's plan to handle this?
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looks like you didn't read 1 word the raikage and even tsuchikage said on the matter
 
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If you know it wasn't articulated well, why do you believe it would be successful? I can understand you wanting it to be successful due to the past, but as it stands the plan is terrible. It's about the same as Naruto's pursuit for absolute peace. If anything, Madara and Obito's plan were more sound than that. Except they didn't account for contingencies such as Zetsu using everyone to revive Kaguya. And their plan required decades of planning. Whereas as 17 year old only goals were to make everyone hate him, destroy the bijuu, and kill the kages. Believing that would cease fighting or focus efforts towards him and cease fighting amongst themselves.

It's funny that Sasuke realized how bad his ideals and plan were and yet threads like these still come about.
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Articulation and implementation are two different things. Learn the difference. Also, the rest has been explained, but it's not like genre constraints in story telling would be your forte.
 
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Laura Kinney said:
I understand Sasuke and his reasoning. I understand what his motives are and how he believes the world would work. I'm not saying it isn't possible. But with his plan. It wouldn't work. There's too many holes and contingencies. I know it sounds like I'm being vague or repeating myself but that's only because I want you to understand the faults your self rather than approach this as a argument or debate as I'm not up for it.

I will discuss it with you if you do come to the same conclusions. If you don't then I have nothing to say to you other than state my opinion and move on. If you didn't think of the holes while typing the original post then I doubt you'd even reach that point.
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Pretty sure Sasuke accounted for whatever holes you're imagining but haven't explained. Matter fact he didn't even explain everything to Naruto the first time - chapter 694. In chapter 696 Naruto asked what would happen once he dies, & Sasuke countered with ease. Saying how with his abilities he had the capability to always be around to watch over the world. Even if there are holes, Sasuke will spot them and adjust. Notice how he kept what The Sage & Black Zetsu had in mind (which Naruto didn't) and didn't mention it at that time despite already planning to investigate.

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There is no need to be rude.

I am talking about your biased first post which is the central idea for this thread and you are wrong.

Sasuke Revolution was all about Older brother issues and cutting down the past (personally and Shinobi world wise). The whole plan was more emotional than logic. If you can't understand this then go read chapter 694 again because your boy clearly says that "connections make life painful". We are talking about an Uchiha, crazy as they come, acting all tough saying that he could handle all the hate...

God damn, Sasuke developed tyrant tendencies because of his trauma from having his parents killed. You as a fan can thank good old Naruto for some on-site therapy.
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It was more logical than emotional. Again, it was based on the history of the Shinobi world. I know that you don't see this with Naruto, but Shinobi are infact supposed to sever their emotions so they can get the job done. This was highlighted in the first major arc. That is what Sasuke wanted to do in order to execute his plan efficiently.

Naruto's plan of let's all be buddies was based on emotion. Although i doubt you have a problem with that. So i will ask you the same question i did with another Naruto supporter.

And what was Naruto's plan? "Let's just hope everyone continues to get along after the war because they decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone" ? What if they seperated and began to oppose each other as they always had beforehand? What was Naruto's plan to handle this?
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Naruto presented no solution. Because he either didn't have one, and or naively believed 100 percent that they would stay united after the war.

Laura Kinney said:
If you know it wasn't articulated well, why do you believe it would be successful? I can understand you wanting it to be successful due to the past, but as it stands the plan is terrible. It's about the same as Naruto's pursuit for absolute peace. If anything, Madara and Obito's plan were more sound than that. Except they didn't account for contingencies such as Zetsu using everyone to revive Kaguya. And their plan required decades of planning. Whereas as 17 year old only goals were to make everyone hate him, destroy the bijuu, and kill the kages. Believing that would cease fighting or focus efforts towards him and cease fighting amongst themselves.

It's funny that Sasuke realized how bad his ideals and plan were and yet threads like these still come about.
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Naruto's actions and words convinced Sasuke into not trying to handle everything on his own, and instead work with his allies. Naruto proved himself to be a reliable ally who he could bear the responsibilities of maintaining peace with. I actually think a combination of Naruto and Sasuke's plan would probably be the best. I might make a thread on it.

Anyway, Sasuke never said anything like, "My plan definitely wouldn't have worked". And why would he? When part of it was based on an already proven successful method (common enemy) & eliminating sources that caused conflict (Bijuu, seperated villages). All he would have to do is make sure they maintain peace amongst themselves and deal with smaller threats like criminals acting on their own accord.

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looks like you didn't read 1 word the raikage and even tsuchikage said on the matter
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I did. When facing Madara they formed a bond and decided to continue to work together after the war. This further displays how a common enemy united them. If it wasn't for Madara/the Akatsuki they wouldn't have united to begin with, and cooperating together against this same enemy forged bonds between them that made them want to continue their cooperation after the war.

Like i said, what would Naruto have done had they eventually went back to their old ways? Doesn't matter right? After all the story had a few chapters left and we know things would end on good terms cause this is that type of story. This is why us readers can easily gloss over Naruto's shortcomings. I bet you never even thought about what Naruto would do until i mentioned it.
 
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I did. When facing Madara they formed a bond and decided to continue to work together after the war. This further displays how a common enemy united them. If it wasn't for Madara/the Akatsuki they wouldn't have united to begin with, and cooperating together against this same enemy forged bonds between them that made them want to continue their cooperation after the war.
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no you didn't...even in the war onoki was secretly using it to his benefit but that all changed once he heard gaara's words...even condemning his former sensei by suggesting he reap the spoils of war...of course fighting madara wasn't going to stop EVERY SINGLE action shinobi take against each other...but it DID stop any outbreak of future wars (at least among those who fought in the 4th)

Like i said, what would Naruto have done had they eventually went back to their old ways? Doesn't matter right? After all the story had a few chapters left and we know things would end on good terms cause this is that type of story. This is why us readers can easily gloss over Naruto's shortcomings. I bet you never even thought about what Naruto would do until i mentioned it.
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they wouldn't and he knew they wouldn't..."ifs" "ands" or "buts" don't matter...also "naruto's shortcomings"?...what did naruto uzumaki come up short at?...by the way that last sentence is 110.0% wrong..."until you mentioned it"...lmaoooo like narutobase is the only time I spend discussing THIS VERY SUBJECT
 
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Naruto X Hunter said:
Sasuke was planning on executing his Revolution plan and investigating Kaguya. So obviously he would have done both. Don't ignore logic, knowing he didn't have an ally such as Naruto to help him, then logically he would have trained even more to become stronger so he could handle them. And stop changing the meaining of his words. In this side of events, it took Naruto + Sasuke to defeat them. So yes, if one of them go down then everyone is doomed. He never said explicitly stated Naruto was better at protecting the village than he is.



Bad assumptions. Sasuke's plan and their battle had been built up well before he revealed his plan. What you did was state how you would prefer things. Sasuke didn't want a traditional Revolution, just as he didn't want to be a traditional Hokage. He wanted to handle everything alone, not work with others.



One of the main themes of this story is Teamwork. Ofcourse Sasuke wasn't going to be allowed to execute his plan of him handling everything alone. That doesn't mean that it couldn't have succeeded especially when he's already been proven right in some regards. All you guys can do now is much lousy statements like, "Sasuke isn't omnipresent!" he can't be everywhere at once!" Neither could Madara, still caused the Shinobi to unite for the first time, and they ended up staying united afterwards through the bonds they formed because they had a common enemy.

Sasuke wouldn't need to be everywhere because their wouldn't be trouble everywhere.



What wars? To defeat Sasuke? To fight a guy who they won't even be able to find unless he allows them too?



The guy whom Sasuke would have knowledge of & be preparing for years before he even arrived? How do you know he would even come to Earth without the Bijuu? If he did then why would he stay knowing they aren't there?



No one assisted Sasuke against Naruto.



And what was Naruto's plan? "Let's just hope everyone continues to get along after the war because they decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone" ? What if they seperated and began to oppose each other as they always had beforehand? What was Naruto's plan to handle this?



LOL I'm reading & replying to these comments inorder. Nice to see that someone is smart enough to make the same deductions as me. "Sasuke's plan was shit!" Yeah, and what was Naruto's plan to maintain peace if they had seperated and went back to their old ways after the war? Nothing. He never presented a solution.




Selective reading. Notice how he said that after Naruto had used multiple Bijuudama's, Clones, & Avatars. You speak as if Sasuke said that before they started fighting. Also, the mode Naruto was in requires their chakra.



Stop autmomatically supporting Naruto on everything and read what Intelligent people have to say on the matter. Hence me & Amentejikara's responses.
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The plan was shit, in every sense. There's no chance of it succeeding, only crazed theorists who smoked the same blunt sasuke was smoking.
 
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