Sasuke's Revolution plan was solid. The newest storylines are further proving it.

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One of the main themes of the story is teamwork. Obviously Sasuke wasn't going be allowed to execute his plan to ensure peace is maintained because he wanted ro handle everything alone. My point is that Sasuke's plan was solid and logically could have worked. You instead claim it was bad and say with certainty that it couldn't have worked.


Kaguya was said to have ended all wars through her might. Her downfall came about through her being corrupted by the chakra fruit. So yes, Kishimoto did show how one can bring about peace alone. But obviously given the theme of the story, this wasn't going to be the path that brought about peace in th end.


Sasuke wanted everyone to unite to oppose him so why would he kill off those who stand against him? He never said that he would. That's your bad assumption. What he did say is that he could control things from the shadows, instead of through battle.

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The only people he would likely kill are criminals such as the Akatsuki.


Really? Stop over exaggerating. How were the Five Great Shinobi Nations before the Fourth War against the Akatsuki? Were they living in fear and such? Yet Sasuke's Authority would be worse even though they would be united rather than always seperated like before, ready to backstab one another at any given moment.



Against whom? Shinobi villages would be united. So them against Sasuke? A guy who they won't even know where he is unless he let's them? A guy they stand no chance against? A guy who specifically stated he would do things from the shadows rather than battle? Stop acting as if he would be dropping meteors on villages & going around fighting everyone.


By eliminating the Kages - Their beloved Leaders (Leaders to the messed up Shinobi world), he would have turned the villages against him. But you seem to be under the impression that he would kill thousands of people for the purpose of making them hate him.

Anyway, answer the question. You are the third Naruto fan to evade it. What was Naruto's plan? "Let's just hope everyone continues to get along after the war because they decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone" ? What if they seperated and began to oppose each other as they always had beforehand? What was Naruto's plan to handle this?

Naruto presented no solution. Because he either didn't have one, and or naively believed 100 percent that they would stay united after the war.



The Five Great Shinobi Nations decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone.

Sasuke believed that after the war they would eventually seperate and begin to fight each other as they always had before.

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Having this in mind Sasuke formed his plan to ensure peace would be maintained after the war.

So how do you believe it could have worked? My point is, people will not be forced into a corner forever, eventually they will fight back, and if Sasuke is making everyone focus their attention at him then he is doing something that would disrupt their peace. At least madara's plan removed that option by putting everyone into a genjustsu forever, and that lead to death or whatever white zetsu is.

Kaguya inevitably failed as well, and her downfall came because people challenged her and brought her down. Again not everyone will give up their freedom so easily and submit to someone.

Then elaborate on how he was going to "control" those who opposed him?

Also Sasuke said he would be the judge and executioner; "judgments and executions, I'll do all of it".

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And by no means should a teenager be judge and executioner, especially one who is so emotionally unstable.

@bold that's only your assumption, and given that he planned to kill naruto, the bijuu, and the 5 kages I can see more killings.

They are already united, so there's no need for this point. Furthermore if there's someone in the shadows (sasuke) that can kill anyone if you step out of line, and will "control" everything from shadows then people will be afraid because they do not know when sasuke can act. Furthermore they can not live how the see fit, but only how sasuke sees fit. On top of that eventually people would resort to violence and war to remove the fear of sasuke's rule/control. As you saw with the war, people resorted to war and violence to oppose/bring down Madara/kabuto/obito.

Naruto's plan was for people to work together and handle their issues. The whole ninshuu thing is for cooperation.

They came together when hashirama tried to unite them before.

And they may eventually separate again under sasuke's plan too rofl. Unless sasuke is literally making everyone's lives at danger, then everyone will eventually return to their separate villages and realities. Everyone has their own interests, and it's easy to divide. You seem to think everyone will stay together, however their is no guarantee with either sasuke's revolution or naruto's way. People may separate and that's a reality.

 

[Umari Senju]

Let's just say Sasuke's notion of revolution wasn't unwarranted. How he intended to implement it, however, was madness.

You don't force change on an entire civilization and expect them to adhere to how you think the world should work. That is a garaunteed way of starting a rebellion. That applies to Naruto's views as well.

Sasuke notion of Revolution and Naruto's implementation of arriving to peace together is how you go about it. And it's not something that happens over night, or stays solid forever.

I don't know where you are getting the notion that either Naruto or Sasuke's ideals for "True Peace" somehow equates to "Eternal Peace" at no point did Kishi as the writer state they would bring peace for all time.

That is simply unrealistic even by Narutoverse standards. What he did state was that Naruto would bring peace to the Shinobi world. That's where it starts. Sasuke is indeed having his revolution by enforcing that peace.

They are on the right path but there will always be someone to oppose their ideals, whether it be Sasuke's or Naruto's.

As it stands the world is united. The events we are witnessing now are not from the Shinobi world but from alien influence.

 

[Zawerni]

Superb comment. You're obviously neutral, intelligent and provided proof to back up your claims.

Thanks.

 

[Detonator99]

Clearly did.

Clearly he din't lol he only though about momoshiki later down the road.

LOL completely false. Sasuke investigated himself amd told the Five Kage, including Naruto, whom wanted to go with him but Sasuke told him to stay in Konoha as the Hokage so he did.

At VOTE2 naruto said to sasuke that there are things you cant do alone and that kaguya is great example of that.
Meaning that theres is a possibilty that someone as strong as kaguya would to come forth eventually, of course naruto wasn't aware or was suspicious about it he just said as a possibility but the fact that sasuke decided to ignore that point shows he never bothered with the outside threats.

It's not certain that he wouldn't be able to defeat them alone. He knew about them years in advance. Obviously without Naruto, knowing he was the only one capable of defeating them, he would train even more.

He only realized of the possibility of the outside threats untill naruto became hokage witch after years of when he decided make his revolution plans. And training or not at the end of the day he was never capable of matching momoshiki and kinshiki alone.

Ah and lets not mention about the events that took place on the last with the moon falling in to earth, even though sasuke would end up defeating the people on earth who would definitely try to overthrow him... I mean the cloud ninjas even have a cannon that can destroy the moon :lol they ould definitely try to use that on him and sasuke would defintely had to fight back by killing most of them.

And then later it would have to be up to him to stop the moon from falling witch would be an absolute failure since he doesn't have anyone who would help him destroy the tenseigan altar or even prevent him from getting his chakra absorved by toneri.

So at the end of the day naruto's plan>>>>>sasuke's, because its only through cooperation that they were able to overcome the events that happened in the last and boruto where sasuke had to join forces with naruto and the kages to defeat momoshiki.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

So how do you believe it could have worked? My point is, people will not be forced into a corner forever, eventually they will fight back, and if Sasuke is making everyone focus their attention at him then he is doing something that would disrupt their peace.

Make them unite by being their common enemy, & do whatever he needs too, adjusting his actions accordingly, to ensure peace is maintained amongst them, as in them remaining united rather than eventually seperating & fighting each other.

How are they going to fight back? He is so beyond them and the only time they would know where he is is when he let's them.

At least madara's plan removed that option by putting everyone into a genjustsu forever, and that lead to death or whatever white zetsu is.

Kaguya inevitably failed as well, and her downfall came because people challenged her and brought her down.

Kaguya was said to have ended all wars. Her downfall came about when she was corrupted by the chakra fruit. She then became feared, known as a demon. The ones who stopped her was her sons. Not masses of people not liking and defeating her.

Again not everyone will give up their freedom so easily and submit to someone.

Then elaborate on how he was going to "control" those who opposed him?

As said earlier, guide them to remain united against him. Thus maintaining peace amongst themselves rather than eventually seperate and fight each other as they always did before.

The problems lied with the 5 Great Shinobi Villages. Them constantly fighting one another for resources even led to smaller nations like the Rain village to being screwed. Notice how once they united, peace was formed and maintained, hence the current era. All Sasuke would need to do is get them to remain united. That'll end conflicts.

You seem to be under the impression that Sasuke wanted to turn everyone in the world against him, and he would need to harm many to do so. Only a few Nations were a problem.

Also Sasuke said he would be the judge and executioner; "judgments and executions, I'll do all of it".

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And by no means should a teenager be judge and executioner, especially one who is so emotionally unstable.

This same teenager knows alot more about the history of the world than everyone else. Even before he did he was generally more mature than his peers. So get rid of that age nonsense. Emotionally unstable? I guess Pain was aswell. Sasuke's plan was logical and formed based on the history of the Shinobi World. An emotional decision would be Naruto's. Who believed that everyone would just continue to get along after the war despite their history.

@bold that's only your assumption, and given that he planned to kill naruto, the bijuu, and the 5 kages I can see more killings.

The Bijuu - who Shinobi always sought after to acquire their power so they could use to better enforce their authority over others. Kage - Leaders to the messed up Shinobi world. & Naruto - who would stand in his way. Yes, killing them was necessary. Killing them doesn't mean he would kill random fodders for opposing him...especially when that's what he wants.

They are already united, so there's no need for this point.

Stop being so naive. The Five Great Shinobi Nations decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone. Sasuke believed that after the war they would eventually seperate and begin to fight each other as they always had before. That's very logical, as in wanting to get rid of the Bijuu who were such a problem that an entire war was fought over them with the world being placed in Genjutsu.

Furthermore if there's someone in the shadows (sasuke) that can kill anyone if you step out of line, and will "control" everything from shadows then people will be afraid because they do not know when sasuke can act.

Reminds me of Death Note when Light successfully reduced 70% of the world's crimes through people being afraid of Kira. This didn't stop people from going to school, going to work, going to amusement parks, etc living their lives. But it sure did stop criminals/potential criminals & World Leaders' from acting up.

Furthermore they can not live how the see fit, but only how sasuke sees fit.

Yeah, like attempting to infiltrate & destroy villages and such, which Sasuke didn't want.

On top of that eventually people would resort to violence and war to remove the fear of sasuke's rule/control. As you saw with the war, people resorted to war and violence to oppose/bring down Madara/kabuto/obito.

The same people Sasuke defeated and saved the world from the Genjutsu they were trapped in. He is so beyond them. Surely they would know this.

Naruto's plan was for people to work together and handle their issues. The whole ninshuu thing is for cooperation.

They came together when hashirama tried to unite them before.

I know, my question was what if they didn't want to remain united and began to fight each other regardless of Naruto's kind method? Naruto never presented a solution to handle this.

And they may eventually separate again under sasuke's plan too rofl. Unless sasuke is literally making everyone's lives at danger, then everyone will eventually return to their separate villages and realities. Everyone has their own interests, and it's easy to divide. You seem to think everyone will stay together, however their is no guarantee with either sasuke's revolution or naruto's way. People may separate and that's a reality.

Sasuke intended to guide them to remain united. You don't know exactly what he would have done to make this happen overtime. As i said before overtime he could always improve his methods overtime. That's one of the best things about his plan that you guys seem to overlook. You are quick to point out supposed flaws, how things supposedly wouldn't work out good, yet overlook the fact that in said scenario he could notice said flaws and adjust his plan accordingly.

Everything wasn't set in stone. Just because he wanted to do things a certain way now doesn't mean that he wouldn't change his approach if needed. His plan actually offered him plenty of time to figure out how to do things. He had the capability to always be around.

Let's just say Sasuke's notion of revolution wasn't unwarranted. How he intended to implement it, however, was madness.

You don't force change on an entire civilization and expect them to adhere to how you think the world should work. That is a garaunteed way of starting a rebellion. That applies to Naruto's views as well.

Sasuke notion of Revolution and Naruto's implementation of arriving to peace together is how you go about it. And it's not something that happens over night, or stays solid forever.

I don't know where you are getting the notion that either Naruto or Sasuke's ideals for "True Peace" somehow equates to "Eternal Peace" at no point did Kishi as the writer state they would bring peace for all time.

That is simply unrealistic even by Narutoverse standards. What he did state was that Naruto would bring peace to the Shinobi world. That's where it starts. Sasuke is indeed having his revolution by enforcing that peace.

They are on the right path but there will always be someone to oppose their ideals, whether it be Sasuke's or Naruto's.

As it stands the world is united. The events we are witnessing now are not from the Shinobi world but from alien influence.

The Criminal Kawaki who destroyed Konoha is an alien? I spoke of two issues - The mysteries of Kaguya & Maintaining peace. You mixed them up. Sasuke's investigation of Kaguya led to the former being solved & the world being saved while his Revolution plan would led to the latter being handled.

Clearly he din't lol he only though about momoshiki later down the road.

Not really. It was only revealed that he had been doing his investigation later. It was never stated that he had just thought of/started it then.

At VOTE2 naruto said to sasuke that there are things you cant do alone and that kaguya is great example of that.

Nice try. He was referring to defeating her. Not solving her mysteries.

Meaning that theres is a possibilty that someone as strong as kaguya would to come forth eventually, of course naruto wasn't aware or was suspicious about it he just said as a possibility but the fact that sasuke decided to ignore that point shows he never bothered with the outside threats.

Fail. Perhaps if i was less knowledgeable about the series this would have fooled me.

He only realized of the possibility of the outside threats untill naruto became hokage witch after years of when he decided make his revolution plans.

I recall Sasuke stating that he always kept it mind. He specifically presented them info after he had already done his investigation and uncovered it. He may have started investigating before Naruto became Hokage, and presented them with info sometime after.

And training or not at the end of the day he was never capable of matching momoshiki and kinshiki alone.

Don't act like it's impossible because surely throughout this Boruto manga he and Naruto will become stronger to deal with the next Otsutsuuki threats. Perhaps showing that they could solo Momo & Kin.

Ah and lets not mention about the events that took place on the last with the moon falling in to earth, even though sasuke would end up defeating the people on earth who would definitely try to overthrow him... I mean the cloud ninjas even have a cannon that can destroy the moon :lol they ould definitely try to use that on him and sasuke would defintely had to fight back by killing most of them.

Or just destroy said canon.

And then later it would have to be up to him to stop the moon from falling witch would be an absolute failure since he doesn't have anyone who would help him destroy the tenseigan altar or even prevent him from getting his chakra absorved by toneri.

I see you like to overlook the possibility of Sasuke defeated Toneri before causes destruction.

So at the end of the day naruto's plan>>>>>sasuke's, because its only through cooperation that they were able to overcome the events that happened in the last and boruto where sasuke had to join forces with naruto and the kages to defeat momoshiki.

It is possible that he could have solo'd them.

 

[Detonator99]

Not really. It was only revealed that he had been doing his investigation later. It was never stated that he had just thought of/started it then.

Nope he revealed his hypotheses at the hokage conference he din't started the moment he got out of the village to atone his sins :lol

Nice try. He was referring to defeating her. Not solving her mysteries.

Lol thats exactly like i said naruto meant that sasuke might eventually need the help of others to defeat a possibly stronger enemy but nope he stood there quiet and then changed the subject that it doens't matter because their relationship would never work just like hashirama and madara or even his brother thus egnoring the subject at hand.

Fail. Perhaps if i was less knowledgeable about the series this would have fooled me.

How is that fail sasuke never never bothered with the outside threats untill later down the road its easy.

I recall Sasuke stating that he always kept it mind. He specifically presented them info after he had already done his investigation and uncovered it. He may have started investigating before Naruto became Hokage, and presented them with info sometime after.

Its an hypotheses that he introduced nothing else because he surely was still wondering around the earth even after in the last nobody knows when its that he had the idea but it wan't when he made his terrible revolution plan.

Don't act like it's impossible because surely throughout this Boruto manga he and Naruto will become stronger to deal with the next Otsutsuuki threats. Perhaps showing that they could solo Momo & Kin.

You don't get it do you? At the time momoshiki and kinshiki arrived sasuke was not strong enough to take on them alone its that simple.

Or just destroy said canon.

The cannon its not the only thing that its going to attack sasuke its just something on their arsenal that they were going use agasin't him.

I see you like to overlook the possibility of Sasuke defeated Toneri before causes destruction.

And i see that you decided to egnore the part were he fails to destroy the tenseigan altar since he doesn't have hamura's chakra :lol

And even after naruto defeated the toneri he still had his chakra absorved by him, but not that sasuke would even get the chance to fight toneri since he would definitely fail again'st destroying the tenseigan altar and die after having his chakra absorved for trying to destroy it.

It is possible that he could have solo'd them.

lel sasuke was having issues with kinshiki alone momoshiki while absorved kinshiki would be overkill.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Killing the Kages and abolishing the Villages utterly ends the militancy threats once and for all. There would be no more mass-scale wars waged simply because the military funds are drying out, no cross-border terrorism, mass-genocides and needless wars; the kind these greedy Kages had fought thrice and left nothing but droves of displaced innocents and orphans in their wake with no financial aid for them as a remedy for the inhuman destruction they caused, which led to the formation of more militia groups that flourished on their funding to create a complete system that thrived on funding, unending corruption and extreme facism.

Ending this tradition means dismantling and ending the nexus of corruption. Killing the tailed-beasts ends the threats of utilizing them as weapons of mass destruction. These are two destructive forces out of the equation of global security; a world overseen by an immortal. If you cannot see merit in this, then it's laughable.

Whilst, Sasuke's plan wasn't articulated as well as it should have been (typical plot close-up issue), it was far more sound and logical than anything anyone in the manga has suggested. Especially, "care-bear, bunny no Jutsu" rubbish Naruto Wankers support. But, since they require extended maps to make it to their house-hold toilets, one cannot expect much from them.

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Honestly can't blame them thou. Most people IRL defend their "government" crimes and still call them the supposed "good" guys. so it's only expected they'd blindly defend it's parallel fictional counterpart and it's boy wonder pawn. lol sasuke's quote was spot on, I can tell kishi put heart into the whole "corrupt justice system" something even one piece manga heavily reflects on.

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Make them unite by being their common enemy, & do whatever he needs too, adjusting his actions accordingly, to ensure peace is maintained amongst them, as in them remaining united rather than eventually seperating & fighting each other.

How are they going to fight back? He is so beyond them and the only time they would know where he is is when he let's them.




Kaguya was said to have ended all wars. Her downfall came about when she was corrupted by the chakra fruit. She then became feared, known as a demon. The ones who stopped her was her sons. Not masses of people not liking and defeating her.



As said earlier, guide them to remain united against him. Thus maintaining peace amongst themselves rather than eventually seperate and fight each other as they always did before.

The problems lied with the 5 Great Shinobi Villages. Them constantly fighting one another for resources even led to smaller nations like the Rain village to being screwed. Notice how once they united, peace was formed and maintained, hence the current era. All Sasuke would need to do is get them to remain united. That'll end conflicts.

You seem to be under the impression that Sasuke wanted to turn everyone in the world against him, and he would need to harm many to do so. Only a few Nations were a problem.



This same teenager knows alot more about the history of the world than everyone else. Even before he did he was generally more mature than his peers. So get rid of that age nonsense. Emotionally unstable? I guess Pain was aswell. Sasuke's plan was logical and formed based on the history of the Shinobi World. An emotional decision would be Naruto's. Who believed that everyone would just continue to get along after the war despite their history.



The Bijuu - who Shinobi always sought after to acquire their power so they could use to better enforce their authority over others. Kage - Leaders to the messed up Shinobi world. & Naruto - who would stand in his way. Yes, killing them was necessary. Killing them doesn't mean he would kill random fodders for opposing him...especially when that's what he wants.



Stop being so naive. The Five Great Shinobi Nations decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone. Sasuke believed that after the war they would eventually seperate and begin to fight each other as they always had before. That's very logical, as in wanting to get rid of the Bijuu who were such a problem that an entire war was fought over them with the world being placed in Genjutsu.




Reminds me of Death Note when Light successfully reduced 70% of the world's crimes through people being afraid of Kira. This didn't stop people from going to school, going to work, going to amusement parks, etc living their lives. But it sure did stop criminals/potential criminals & World Leaders' from acting up.




Yeah, like attempting to infiltrate & destroy villages and such, which Sasuke didn't want.



The same people Sasuke defeated and saved the world from the Genjutsu they were trapped in. He is so beyond them. Surely they would know this.



I know, my question was what if they didn't want to remain united and began to fight each other regardless of Naruto's kind method? Naruto never presented a solution to handle this.



Sasuke intended to guide them to remain united. You don't know exactly what he would have done to make this happen overtime. As i said before overtime he could always improve his methods overtime. That's one of the best things about his plan that you guys seem to overlook. You are quick to point out supposed flaws, how things supposedly wouldn't work out good, yet overlook the fact that in said scenario he could notice said flaws and adjust his plan accordingly.

Everything wasn't set in stone. Just because he wanted to do things a certain way now doesn't mean that he wouldn't change his approach if needed. His plan actually offered him plenty of time to figure out how to do things. He had the capability to always be around.



The Criminal Kawaki who destroyed Konoha is an alien? I spoke of two issues - The mysteries of Kaguya & Maintaining peace. You mixed them up. Sasuke's investigation of Kaguya led to the former being solved & the world being saved while his Revolution plan would led to the latter being handled.



Not really. It was only revealed that he had been doing his investigation later. It was never stated that he had just thought of/started it then.





Nice try. He was referring to defeating her. Not solving her mysteries.



Fail. Perhaps if i was less knowledgeable about the series this would have fooled me.




I recall Sasuke stating that he always kept it mind. He specifically presented them info after he had already done his investigation and uncovered it. He may have started investigating before Naruto became Hokage, and presented them with info sometime after.



Don't act like it's impossible because surely throughout this Boruto manga he and Naruto will become stronger to deal with the next Otsutsuuki threats. Perhaps showing that they could solo Momo & Kin.



Or just destroy said canon.



I see you like to overlook the possibility of Sasuke defeated Toneri before causes destruction.



It is possible that he could have solo'd them.

Again what would he do to make everyone treat him as a common enemy?
And people do fight back if the foe is stronger still...

Kaguya inevitably failed, my point still stands. She tried to do everything by herself and failed.

You're going to have explain on this guided part because that's the main issue. How exactly are you going to force everyone to be against you, yet expect them to not fight back?

Stop being delusional, the people were the problem, not the bijuu. The people wanted to use the bijuu as weapons, it's BS to kill of the bijuu who basically always wanted to live at peace. And who said random fodder? I said he would kill people who oppose him. Killing the kages is also wrong, especially gaara and tsunade who were more clean than the others....

Also how is this naive? They are united. Case closed. Your problem is that you're focusing too much on the far distant future instead of the present reality. They even stayed together in peace for presumably 10+ years and still are. So instead of trying to destroy the union why not maintain it.

Naruto solution was to work with them, even if they left. Basically same as it was with sasuke. Narutos plan is good until he dies, then it becomes a test for the future to carry on.

Because sasuke plan is vague while offering sweet nothings but does real harm with killing leaders, naruto, and the bijuu. On top of that the outcome is uncertain.

 

[Honord Sage]

One of the main themes of the story is teamwork. Obviously Sasuke wasn't going be allowed to execute his plan to ensure peace is maintained because he wanted ro handle everything alone. My point is that Sasuke's plan was solid and logically could have worked. You instead claim it was bad and say with certainty that it couldn't have worked.

Kaguya was said to have ended all wars through her might. Her downfall came about through her being corrupted by the chakra fruit. So yes, Kishimoto did show how one can bring about peace alone. But obviously given the theme of the story, this wasn't going to be the path that brought about peace in th end.



Sasuke wanted everyone to unite to oppose him so why would he kill off those who stand against him? He never said that he would. That's your bad assumption. What he did say is that he could control things from the shadows, instead of through battle.

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The only people he would likely kill are criminals such as the Akatsuki.



Really? Stop over exaggerating. How were the Five Great Shinobi Nations before the Fourth War against the Akatsuki? Were they living in fear and such? Yet Sasuke's Authority would be worse even though they would be united rather than always seperated like before, ready to backstab one another at any given moment.



Against whom? Shinobi villages would be united. So them against Sasuke? A guy who they won't even know where he is unless he let's them? A guy they stand no chance against? A guy who specifically stated he would do things from the shadows rather than battle? Stop acting as if he would be dropping meteors on villages & going around fighting everyone.



By eliminating the Kages - Their beloved Leaders (Leaders to the messed up Shinobi world), he would have turned the villages against him. But you seem to be under the impression that he would kill thousands of people for the purpose of making them hate him.

Anyway, answer the question. You are the third Naruto fan to evade it. What was Naruto's plan? "Let's just hope everyone continues to get along after the war because they decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone" ? What if they seperated and began to oppose each other as they always had beforehand? What was Naruto's plan to handle this?

Naruto presented no solution. Because he either didn't have one, and or naively believed 100 percent that they would stay united after the war.



The Five Great Shinobi Nations decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone. Sasuke believed that after the war they would eventually seperate and begin to fight each other as they always had before.

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Having this in mind Sasuke formed his plan to ensure peace would be maintained after the war.

What was Naruto's plan? "Let's just hope everyone continues to get along after the war because they decided to team for the first time in history for a couple days only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't defeat alone" ? What if they seperated and began to oppose each other as they always had beforehand? What was Naruto's plan to handle this?

Naruto presented no solution. Because he either didn't have one, and or naively believed 100 percent that they would stay united after the war.



Superb comment. You're obviously neutral, intelligent and provided proof to back up your claims.



Superb comment. You're obviously neutral, intelligent and provided proof to back up your claims. If Sasuke was intended to be a loser whilst Naruto the Godly Hero or whatever you believe then why would Naruto state that he is the Finest Shinobi? Why would Sasuke be the one who kept what the Sage & Black Zetsu said about Kaguya in mind which led to the world being saved whilst Naruto - who was kidnapped by the enemies Kaguya was weary of, didn't? One of the main themes of the story was teamwork. Naruto didn't accomplish things on his own and would have been dead without Sasuke. Sasuke saved the world from said Kaguya related enemies and helped improve Naruto's relationship with his son all in one movie. Stuff like this makes it hard for you to imagine Naruto is the Greatest of All Time. But nonethless, you try to believe so anyway.



As i said, Sasuke kept the mysteries of Kaguya in mind and was planning on executing his plan and investigating.



Bad reading comprehension. Sasuke's plan was clearly superior to Pain's.

Pain wanted to use the Bijuu to create the Ultimate weapon so he could blow stuff up. Causing mass destruction to inspire pain & fear. Ending all wars, leading the world to stability. Then, later on, whenever things became chaotic again people could use the Bijuu weapon to create peace again. This/the next two pages.

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Whereas, knowing Shinobi always sought after the Bijuu seeing them as nothing more than massive sources of power which they could use to better enforce their authority over others, leading up to an entire war with the world at stake being fought over them, Sasuke wanted to eliminate them so no one could ever abuse their power again (he didn't know the specifics of Pain's plan, this is referring to Shinobi across time).

The Five Great Shinobi nations united for the first time in history only because they had a common enemy that they couldn't possibly defeat alone - the Akatsuki, under the Leadership of Madara, whom had collected 7 of the 9 Bijuu & were going for the final 2. He believed that after the war they would eventually seperate & begin to fight each other as they always have before. He wanted become the enemy they stayed united to stand against. With his abilities he had the capability to always be around & could watch over the world controlling things from the shadows. Rather than leave it up to the people to use the Bijuu to attempt to maintain peace.

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Clearly did.



LOL completely false. Sasuke investigated himself amd told the Five Kage, including Naruto, whom wanted to go with him but Sasuke told him to stay in Konoha as the Hokage so he did.



It's not certain that he wouldn't be able to defeat them alone. He knew about them years in advance. Obviously without Naruto, knowing he was the only one capable of defeating them, he would train even more.



All you're doing is brainlessly supporting Naruto and opposing Sasuke. Like how you never answered the question i addressed to you, yet came back to click like for a Naruto supporters comment. If you're not going to address the topic & only want to d-ride then just do so without leaving several comments.

You obesely can't deal with Kishi reality of Sasuke and attempt very badly to re-wright the story and failed measurably in doing so. Fact Kishi created Sasuke to ultimately make Naruto look good when He takes Sasuke down. Remember for all eternity Sasuke said "I QUIT" and you can't change that.

 

[MomoSaka]

Orochimaru's plan solos.......:elmo:

 

[Ansatsuken]

So how do you believe it could have worked? My point is, people will not be forced into a corner forever, eventually they will fight back, and if Sasuke is making everyone focus their attention at him then he is doing something that would disrupt their peace. At least madara's plan removed that option by putting everyone into a genjustsu forever, and that lead to death or whatever white zetsu is.

Kaguya inevitably failed as well, and her downfall came because people challenged her and brought her down. Again not everyone will give up their freedom so easily and submit to someone.

Then elaborate on how he was going to "control" those who opposed him?

Also Sasuke said he would be the judge and executioner; "judgments and executions, I'll do all of it".

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And by no means should a teenager be judge and executioner, especially one who is so emotionally unstable.

@bold that's only your assumption, and given that he planned to kill naruto, the bijuu, and the 5 kages I can see more killings.

They are already united, so there's no need for this point. Furthermore if there's someone in the shadows (sasuke) that can kill anyone if you step out of line, and will "control" everything from shadows then people will be afraid because they do not know when sasuke can act. Furthermore they can not live how the see fit, but only how sasuke sees fit. On top of that eventually people would resort to violence and war to remove the fear of sasuke's rule/control. As you saw with the war, people resorted to war and violence to oppose/bring down Madara/kabuto/obito.

Naruto's plan was for people to work together and handle their issues. The whole ninshuu thing is for cooperation.

They came together when hashirama tried to unite them before.

And they may eventually separate again under sasuke's plan too rofl. Unless sasuke is literally making everyone's lives at danger, then everyone will eventually return to their separate villages and realities. Everyone has their own interests, and it's easy to divide. You seem to think everyone will stay together, however their is no guarantee with either sasuke's revolution or naruto's way. People may separate and that's a reality.

Not many people can challenge Kaguya, only her sons. If we put aside her sons, Kaguya cant be challenge into her downfall by millions of human who despise her. Her power compare to all human combine is like Heaven to earth.

Even in her second chance, people who challenged her need massive support from 'the writer'. This is not a joke. And Kaguya doesnt have downfall unless she is kill forever. She is like a ticking time bomb that once again can explode given that Otsutsuki still out there and help her escape.

But Sasuke is not Kaguya and his power still can be put into challenge given time.

Sometime we need to think about something before lumping Kaguya into any discussion.

Edit: And I dont think Sasuke want to act like a dictator. A dictator not working from a shadow something Sasuke having an idea in.

What he will do is eliminating anything that he saw will affect social harmony e.g, Corrupt governments, mafia or any bad organisations etc. He never chose to be a leader/hokage/political head but being a world law enforcer in his own way/idea.

 

[V h o]

Not many people can challenge Kaguya, only her sons. If we put aside her sons, Kaguya cant be challenge into her downfall by millions of human who despise her. Her power compare to all human combine is like Heaven to earth.

Even in her second chance, people who challenged her need massive support from 'the writer'. This is not a joke. And Kaguya doesnt have downfall unless she is kill forever. She is like a ticking time bomb that once again can explode given that Otsutsuki still out there and help her escape.

But Sasuke is not Kaguya and his power still can be put into challenge given time.

Sometime we need to think about something before lumping Kaguya into any discussion.

Edit: And I dont think Sasuke want to act like a dictator. A dictator not working from a shadow something Sasuke having an idea in.

What he will do is eliminating anything that he saw will affect social harmony e.g, Corrupt governments, mafia or any bad organisations etc. He never chose to be a leader/hokage/political head but being a world law enforcer in his own way/idea.

I say challenge as in fight, not fight and win. My point is that people will get tired of someone else controlling their lives instead of themselves. And I see no reason to ignore her sons from beating her. People were tired of living under her, but were powerless. Not to mention that these people were without chakra, vs someone who has the most chakra.

And yea sasuke isn't kaguya, but he is going down the same path as her by doing everything himself and trying force his way on the world.

I don't think Sasuke wanted to be a dictator as well, but him trying to kill off people to reshape the world to his way is wrong. One person should not dictate or "control" how everyone else should live. Another issue I had with sasuke's plan is that he would be the only one doing the controlling, there was no one to bounce ideas off or get their inputs.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I say challenge as in fight, not fight and win. My point is that people will get tired of someone else controlling their lives instead of themselves. And I see no reason to ignore her sons from beating her. People were tired of living under her, but were powerless. Not to mention that these people were without chakra, vs someone who has the most chakra.

And yea sasuke isn't kaguya, but he is going down the same path as her by doing everything himself and trying force his way on the world.

I don't think Sasuke wanted to be a dictator as well, but him trying to kill off people to reshape the world to his way is wrong. One person should not dictate or "control" how everyone else should live. Another issue I had with sasuke's plan is that he would be the only one doing the controlling, there was no one to bounce ideas off or get their inputs.

I think what he wanted to control is not how one country is govern or how people should lives their life but any inappropriate act done by one person or group that have a potential to cause harm. He became like that, I meant how he came to such mentality is bcus of what have he experienced before, what happen to his family, Itachi and Uchiha clan cause by numbers of people who control the country(Konoha)-corruption, world wars started by governments all around the world bcus they are greedy/thirst for power and control etc.

I think Sasuke is like Akuma. Both are anti-hero. Akuma have his code of warrior. Even though he like to fight, looking for someone strong enough to challenge him to death. But if he saw someone is not fit to challenge him, he will withdraw from the fight/cancel it. He is not like M. Bison a totally bad guy(villain to the core) who likes to cause misery to people of any level be it someone with power and strength or a normal civilian for his selfish reason.

Akuma will not looking for trouble or causing any trouble and he dislike M Bison bcus of all troubles he has commit. This what Sasuke would be. We all know why Sasuke became like this and its not as simple as Rin death to Obito or Madara looking for 'false peace' bcus his siblings were killed in the war.

Social unrest will not happen bcus Sasuke have kill the wrongdoers unless they all are mentally retard bcus try to defend a dictator/ a corrupt leader.

 

[To Whatever]

It seems people don't understand human nature...

 

[minamoto]

It seems people don't understand human nature...

you are a poeple too

 

[V h o]

I think what he wanted to control is not how one country is govern or how people should lives their life but any inappropriate act done by one person or group that have a potential to cause harm. He became like that, I meant how he came to such mentality is bcus of what have he experienced before, what happen to his family, Itachi and Uchiha clan cause by numbers of people who control the country(Konoha)-corruption, world wars started by governments all around the world bcus they are greedy/thirst for power and control etc.

I think Sasuke is like Akuma. Both are anti-hero. Akuma have his code of warrior. Even though he like to fight, looking for someone strong enough to challenge him to death. But if he saw someone is not fit to challenge him, he will withdraw from the fight/cancel it. He is not like M. Bison a totally bad guy(villain to the core) who likes to cause misery to people of any level be it someone with power and strength or a normal civilian for his selfish reason.

Akuma will not looking for trouble or causing any trouble and he dislike M Bison bcus of all troubles he has commit. This what Sasuke would be. We all know why Sasuke became like this and its not as simple as Rin death to Obito or Madara looking for 'false peace' bcus his siblings were killed in the war.

Social unrest will not happen bcus Sasuke have kill the wrongdoers unless they all are mentally retard bcus try to defend a dictator/ a corrupt leader.

Still don't like idea of him being the only one who decides right and wrong.

 

[Retsu]

It took both Naruto and sauce plus the kages to beat momo, if sauce was by himself and momo showed up he'd be dead.

 

[ninjarasengan]

I think what he wanted to control is not how one country is govern or how people should lives their life but any inappropriate act done by one person or group that have a potential to cause harm. He became like that, I meant how he came to such mentality is bcus of what have he experienced before, what happen to his family, Itachi and Uchiha clan cause by numbers of people who control the country(Konoha)-corruption, world wars started by governments all around the world bcus they are greedy/thirst for power and control etc.

I think Sasuke is like Akuma. Both are anti-hero. Akuma have his code of warrior. Even though he like to fight, looking for someone strong enough to challenge him to death. But if he saw someone is not fit to challenge him, he will withdraw from the fight/cancel it. He is not like M. Bison a totally bad guy(villain to the core) who likes to cause misery to people of any level be it someone with power and strength or a normal civilian for his selfish reason.

Akuma will not looking for trouble or causing any trouble and he dislike M Bison bcus of all troubles he has commit. This what Sasuke would be. We all know why Sasuke became like this and its not as simple as Rin death to Obito or Madara looking for 'false peace' bcus his siblings were killed in the war.

Social unrest will not happen bcus Sasuke have kill the wrongdoers unless they all are mentally retard bcus try to defend a dictator/ a corrupt leader.

At bold.
It is and his plan is worse:bdpf:

Magic induced peace>>>>so called 'realistic peace' (If Zetsu wasn't a thing)