Ok sure. Is that a clean cut though? No. Is that the same as what Orochimaru had to rip through? No. So in the end your point is still invalid. :lol And lmao what is this? Come on man. You can't call out my logic and then start saying stuff like the bold. Enma is many times more durable in his staff form yet he said that Kusanagi could leave him sore, i.e. damage him. So no, Enma in his monkey form is not strong enough to take Kusanagi at all. Period. Kusanagi was moving in a straight line and him catching it like that prevents it from cutting his hand off. If the blade is actually swung at him he gets his arm lobbed off. If the blade is fired towards him he gets run through. Zero effort. It being a Raiton sword wouldn't change that fact. His hands won't be cut like butter because the blade is not moving in a direction that'd allow it to cut deep enough into his hand to actually rip it apart or anything of that manner.
And no, put a Raiton enhanced blade into the ground and it stays just like a regular blade. :lol Why in the world would a Raiton Blade "sink" into that roof without actual force being applied to it? Oh wait, I know. There is no reason because what you are saying is a reach. You made it and the stuff about Enma up. It doesn't make sense and you and I both know that it doesn't. Tsunade being cut and pierced by the Kusanagi doesn't harm my argument in any way, shape or form.
How is the bold wrong? It's a fact that if Enma is pressing hard enough on the sword to prevent it from moving, then his hand is resisting its penetrative power given the only way to stop it from moving is
grip strength. Aka pressing hard on it. It didn't cut his fingers off cleanly so my point is clearly right. Enma takes little damage from it in diamond form because diamond's can't be scratched by things of lesser hardness. It doesn't mean he can't be destroyed by an extremely powerful attack, just like diamonds as well. Kusanagi was moving in a straight line but he stopped its movement by pressing his fingers against it with all his massive monkey strength
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. Again, if Kusanagi was extremely penetrative, he'd have had his fingers cut in half. If you slowly press a Raiton enhanced sword without much force against something, it'll probably cut it off
cleanly. Force isn't even that necessary at high levels of penetrative power i.e. Shuriken cutting off a metal sword
cleanly [
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Ok I overestimated the penetrative power of a Raiton enhanced sword now that I think about it. But Tsunade being cut so easily by the Kusanagi limits the scope of the feat you're overrating.
-B's lariat. [
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-Yasaka Magatma. [
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The damage to the environment are in the same general range with YM clearly having a lead.
Yasaka Magatama is obviously a more focused attack as it affects less area than Lariat. Pressure and physics. That's why Tepenchii can make a crater larger than Naruto and B's combined Bijuu Dama but not damage Madara's V2 Susanoo while Kirin can wreck V3 Susanoo. Thus taking YM with zero damage means that she can survive things far above YM in power if the focus is far worse. That along with being able to survive Mabui's transportation technique I see no reason to believe that low level C1 is going to take off her limbs without an unguarded direct hit like I stated in my first post.
This entire point was flawed in the first place, gauging durability by comparing the damage two diverse attacks do to different surroundings makes no sense. V2 KILLER BEE using Lariat against Kisame didn't even break the ground or the tree he hit against, so this entire argument is shit on because the superior form of Lariat would logically have done far more damage to the environment. You're comparing how an attack affects the deep earth vs a large rock. Not to mention the differing angles they flew at the environment (diagonal towards the flat ground in Lariat's case, instead of straight down
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)... It's a moot comparison. Yes, Tsunade smashing into the environment destroyed a chunk of the rock and made rocks go flying. Like saying Kakashi's durable because of the impact on the environment him crashing had [
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-I addressed Sasuke above.
-Naruto example is the only one that is legit.
-Neji and Team Gai example is also terrible because nothing in that scene even begins to hint that the real Deidara swapped out with a clone and ran away. The Deidara that they found from the jump was an exploding clone. If he was the original who had swapped out with a clone he wouldn't have said "I can't get away". :lol [
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-They find a clone.
-Clone runs to the clay bird.
-Blows itself up.
Sasuke came from ground level and struck at Deidara. When Deidara actually entered his bird is unknown and whether or not Sasuke was looking at him the entire time is also unknown. So you have nothing but poor logic and off panel feats to prove that Deidara can burrow underground faster than Tsunade and Sasuke can visually process despite this not being any type of Substitution Jutsu unlike what he did with his clones. :lol
-Ok.
-Yes, and it's more than enough so I don't see your point.
-In the VIZ he says "I won't be able to outrun them all" so that shits on your point [
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]. No reason to believe we were seeing a clone fighting the entire time, he swapped out in the middle of the fight. And yes, he definitely substituted away in the middle of that fight given he was surprised when Neji's Byakugan spotted him
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. I am very clearly right here. Byakugan must've spotted Deidara from an earlier point, so it would've been latched on to the real Deidara's that's been talking to himself in the bush
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. Still two points on this, one of which is him outwitting a Byakugan user.
And no. His explosions aren't smoke bombs. Whatever smoke they create won't last long enough for him to swap out with a clone and burrow underground (which will leave a hole as shown in the Kabuto scan you posted) before Tsunade can notice him do so, especially since he'll have to detonate the bomb away from his general area so it doesn't damage or kill him. So all Tsunade has to do is circle around him when he throws his bombs making this smoke screen strategy useless. Then a punch to the ground on the level of what Sakura did to the Juubi clones ends his life.
Hiding like a Mole happens extremely quickly
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. I've already established Nendo Bunshin substitution does too as per the Team Gai and Naruto situation, so that's not hindering him time wise. Who's talking about smoke bombs? Deidara had the centipede burrowed underground and behind Itachi by the time the explosion itself finished
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. Start accepting the vision hindering capabilities of it because it's canon, you avoiding it isn't doing anyone your argument any good here. Honestly you should learn more about Deidara before you say some of this stuff. Deidara has canonically thrown a smaller variant C1 bomb an extremely close distance to himself and escaped
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. I don't see why he would suddenly die doing this against Tsunade. And anyways, if this is the first strategy Deidara does then Tsunade
won't even try to do anything because she won't even know he makes explosions. Fight starts ---- 1. Same strategy he used vs Itachi. 2. Tsunade is ignorant to centipede given it burrowed during the timeframe of the explosion. Centipede latches onto her leg. 3. Tsunade says bye bye to her leg.
I didn't ignore that fact. That fact is irrelevant because the conditions that allow him to set said attack up without killing himself aren't valid. Deidara isn't getting 30m below ground level before Tsunade acts. She doesn't need to know his precise location because in the short time between her see him enter and him entering he won't get far enough to outrun the AoE of her strike. If the blast from her punch sets C4 off it won't matter because Deidara himself will be dead.
This is just grasping at straws now buddy. Deidara merely needs to do this
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and substitute with a Nendo Bunshin while he burrows underground. He'd then pop up 15+ meters away from her and out of her sight while the Nendo Bunshin is buying time. Assuming Deidara goes the C4 route, he'd just need to do this
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. Tsunade won't even think to attack something so large (by the time she realises something's happening behind her) since she'd expect it to explode. Not to mention she won't know where the real Deidara is given C4 appears in front of him
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and once it appears he's right back under the ground.
And if he's using miniature C1 then the area of effect of the jutsu is much smaller than in canon regardless of him being able to spread it out somewhat using a C1 bird. So all she'd need to do is get out of that general area and wait for Deidara to surface so she can kill him.
Never mind he doesn't need the C1 bird.
Tsunade doesn't need to be a sensor to dodge underground attacks. Those feats can be compared because to actually dodge said attack You keep going on about how Tsunade can't react yet instead of posting one of these amazing speed feats that prevents her reacting you say "lol underground attack man" and then you cite an attack from Gaara's Sand of all things. :lol Gaara's Sand is not Deidara's ground based clay creations. Tsunade's sense of hearing is great enough hear Orochimaru's heartbeat from 2-5 meters away. Deidara's centipede isn't sneaking up on her, especially if he still has her guard up from realizing she killed a clone and not the original.
The only thing that gives your argument any kind of credit in this section of your post is the fact that these attacks can be surprises. No surprise=You don't have an argument=Deidara gets his shit kicked in.
No it can't lmfao. You're grasping wayyyyy too hard man. She fuking knew it was coming so why the hell wouldn't she be able to react. The place you'll least expect an attack from is underneath you as Kakashi has already stated before. She knew it was coming so the moment she heard a sound she knew
what that sound was. You'd have a point about Gaara's sand but Mu was able to dodge it because he knew it was coming as a sensor. Centipede works in a very similar way because you'll only realise it's there when it finally latches onto you. And this has little to do with reaction speed and much more to do with
not knowing. I've already given you the speed feat of the centipede:
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. By the time the explosion finished it had already reached Itach's location and followed to where he dodged. Sound is a good form of sensing but it's useless against someone whose entire kit is based on
explosives. Why would she have killed a Clay Clone already. This is literally happening in second 1-5 of the fight, she knows nothing at all about Deidara let alone is clay's ability to move by itself and come from beneath the ground. She loses.
That's just what Deidara's entire fighting style is about. The 3 fights he had prove how every single thing Deidara does is to further the next, especially the Gaara fight.
give him reputation points if you feel so strongly. Oh, wait, you're content with being an alt. You have little to no reputation power, do you?
