[Predictions] Naruto Manga 503 Discussion and 504 Predictions

What did you think of this week's Manga?

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From what I can remember... If the host dies then the tailed beast dies with it. Leaving me to believe(since minato says" he didnt want the nine tails reviving w/o a jinchuriki) that even if a tailed beast dies , it will form again as this natural disaster that we heard it was in the beginning.
Also i believe that when half of the 9tails was sealed in naruto, the other half died or dispersed. I may be wrong but there was a special or something where this otherguy had some of the ninetails chakara sealed within him. If the seal was ever released and the nine tails escaped from naruto , all the nine tails full power would be returned, but without all of its chakara outside a jinchuriki, it would be impossible for the ninetails to fully materialize.
Madara/Tobi dude is awesome in by all rights I believe should be the last bad guy. Im wondering how powerful Sauske is gonna have to become to surpass him..not saying that Sauske will be the last bad guy. I really dont think that.

Minato??? What can I say... Hes Narutos dad what did you expect. Naruto had toget his strategizing in the heat of battle from somewhere... I think Madara and Minato both have a lot more tricks and techniques but Madara is lookingat the bigger picture so after he lost control of the 9tails he knew his present plan had failed so he retreated. I think if the battle would have continued on to a decided winner that this manga would have been done!!!!!!They both r way too powerful and how could you ever top techniques like Minato making a seal on Madaras body somewhere so wherever Madara teleported to Minato would be on his a**. I dont know if you guys feel me but im like wtf.

And who knows what Madara still had left. He still didnt seem to worried he still had time to stand around making threats even after Minato had 1 uped him.

These last few chapters have been epic and explains alot that we' ve all wondered abt
so i am rambling on. but the last thing I have to say is I havent seen Madara use MS to its full extent and how Minato skills were so on par that he was able to fight so well seemingly not to worry abt it.
Itachi use of it made it seem almost invincible.

let me know what you think.....
 

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Alright dude I know its just your theory but just think carefully and then you will understand that this theory will never work. Why on earth Madara will attack with the intention just to change the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi. Madara's plan was to attack and destroy Konoha, when Minato tried to stop the Kyuubi Madara interfered and had a fight with the Fourth and Minato was not only able to defeat him but also free the Kyuubi from Madara's control. Madara knew that he lost his chance and he went back he retreated. Minato then realized that such powerful ninja will obviously come back to destroy Konoha again. So the best thing to save the village and also the entire world from Madara he chose to seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto. And there is no info that Madara had created Akatsuki before this incident. Isn't it obvious after this he wanted revenge so badly that he joined Itachi in the Uchiha massacre then he created Akatsuki to again continue his plan of world and most probably after being defeated by Minato Madara changed his plan of just using the Kyuubi. But to revive the Juubi and becoming its Jinchuuriki and thus being the most powerful ninja. Dude I have to say you just tend to give Madara too much credit I know it was just your theory but if this is the case Madara doing it on purpose doesn't really make any sense at all
Madara did indeed attack Konoha to destroy the village, but he actually had several reasons for doing it. Firstly, Madara wanted to rekindle the flames of war, and intended to have the Uchiha framed for the attack so war could break out. But he might also have wanted to get Minato out of the way so his plans run more smoothly. After all, Madara, at the Five Kage summit, did say that he sent Sasuke with the objective to weaken the five Kages so he could take them hostage.



And Minato, who realized that Madara would attack the village again, sealed the Nine-Tails in Naruto, giving him the power necessary to defeat Madara should he attack Konoha again. As I said, in the Demon Sealing Statue the Nine-Tails must be sealed last, so even if the Nine-Tails were not sealed, Madara is going to have to keep the fox under control until it is sealed (otherwise it will be free to roam around of its own accord). Perhaps Madara wanted to remove Minato from the equation, and also find a new host for when the time comes of the sealing of the fox. Madara himself says "someday [the fox] will be mine again;" that time has finally come.

But I do think Akatsuki was created long before Madara ever unleashed the Nine-Tails on Konoha, because of what Itachi says in chapter 386.



After Madara was defeated by Hashirama Senju at the Valley of the End, it was imperative that he keep his identity hidden (imagine that consequences if someone found out Madara was still alive), and thus he created Akatsuki so he could hide himself "in its shadow."



Madara says he faded from everyone's memories, including history, and that just furthers my reason to believe Akatsuki was created a short time after Madara's loss to Hashirama. How many members it had in the beginning is unknown, but over time it grew to the ten members we once knew it to be (now three). Besides, from what Madara said to Minato before departing, it sounds like the Moon's Eye Plan has been something Madara has been engineering for a great deal of time. Now he intends to actualize that vision.



And it still all remains to be seen.
 

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wtf, did anyone notice this: ???

look at tobi's left hand, he kind lost it or its made of water, did minato cut off his hand? lol its "out" of tobi's body, only the chains are holding it.
 

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Hey, everyone. Go find Sarutobi's body. You will find the 1st, 2nd, 3rd,d and Oro's arms in 3rd's body. According to him..

No.

The seal is to invoke the power of the shinigami. So far it seems to be 'wish granting at the cost of your soul' kinda with summoning the death god. The seal that is left behind by invoking of the jutsu is an aftereffect. A marking.
Just a marking? are you serious? so naruto's seal on his stomach is just a marking? So far we have seen in naruto series that where those seal markings were, that's were the object or thing was sealed. Those markings are a sign that says that something has been sealed in that particular location. Naruto's seal in his stomach tells us that he has the nine tail demon fox inside of him. Sasuke's seal marking on his neck told us that some power was sealed into him and also it told us that orochimaru powers was sealed into him.

Even when summoning, wherever you place the seal, that's where the summon animal will appear. Surely those markings aren't just marking.
 

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wtf, did anyone notice this: ???

look at tobi's left hand, he kind lost it or its made of water, did minato cut off his hand? lol its "out" of tobi's body, only the chains are holding it.
rolf yeah, I noticed that too

Man I really want to know who or what this madara/tobi/mask man really is...
 

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I really dont think Akatsuki had been formed at the time of the attack on the leaf w/the 9tails. We do know that one of Madaras main objectives was to destroy the leaf. Wouldnt he have taken Akatsuki there with him to ensure that it would be destroyed , it just my guess but this is probably during the time that geezer sage spent training pain and his crew. Pain is not that old , i think i do remember that when Jaraiya left Pain and went back to the leaf The 4th was Hokage. I may be wrong tho..
 

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rolf yeah, I noticed that too

Man I really want to know who or what this madara/tobi/mask man really is...
Tobi is Madara. Once you think of the whole picture... it is what it is. Everyone is just making it out to be a big mystery, but I think it's obvious now. It is Madara, and he is connected to Zetsu in some way that we don't know (the hand is falling off Zetsu-like style).

But this chapter was the greatest. The 4th was wicked. What I want to know is how can Madara move so fast after being hit by the rasengan, that's supposed to be a 1 hit kill tech. Even after that, he got stabbed in the chest area, How the fk can he still teleport? Maybe he has sharingans on his body somewhere like Danzo?? and uses Izanagi frequently?
It was nice seeing everyone young, I think even the elders were there haha nice. Kurenai's dad looked strong; at first I thought it was Sakumo Hatake hahaha
Bess chapter
 

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Just a marking? are you serious? so naruto's seal on his stomach is just a marking? So far we have seen in naruto series that where those seal markings were, that's were the object or thing was sealed. Those markings are a sign that says that something has been sealed in that particular location. Naruto's seal in his stomach tells us that he has the nine tail demon fox inside of him. Sasuke's seal marking on his neck told us that some power was sealed into him and also it told us that orochimaru powers was sealed into him.

Even when summoning, wherever you place the seal, that's where the summon animal will appear. Surely those markings aren't just marking.

Forgive me, it's a bit late so brain isn't 100%. I meant the 'aftereffect' to be more in Sarutobi's case when everything was said in done. Obviously, Minato wanted stuff to go on with the Naruto as baby in regards to his seal. There is also death god reaching through stomach and crap. Specific design and all that crap.

Oro's cursed seal was so user can forcibly draw out more chakra and sterf than body normally couldn't. Also helped to prepare it for Oro's 'reincarnation' jutsu thinger in some way. Oro's power was from him attempting to take control of sasuke's body and failing the first attempt. Oro dead all the extra seals ( besides Juugo's since he was 'original' ) went bye bye.

Summoning seal disappears after summon happens.

Even then, Summoning =/= Death God jutsu. Oro's cursed seal =/= Death god jutsu. They have no place here.
 
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5/5 Great chapter.
I suppose Minato did defeat Tobi / Madara in this battle.
Anyways, in page 4 did anyone notice madara's left hand after recieving the rasengan, it appeared rather odd, ass though it were elastic of some sort. May it have something to do with Zetsu? I hope not.

Nevertheless, excellent chapter.
 

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Madara did indeed attack Konoha to destroy the village, but he actually had several reasons for doing it. Firstly, Madara wanted to rekindle the flames of war, and intended to have the Uchiha framed for the attack so war could break out. But he might also have wanted to get Minato out of the way so his plans run more smoothly. After all, Madara, at the Five Kage summit, did say that he sent Sasuke with the objective to weaken the five Kages so he could take them hostage.



And Minato, who realized that Madara would attack the village again, sealed the Nine-Tails in Naruto, giving him the power necessary to defeat Madara should he attack Konoha again. As I said, in the Demon Sealing Statue the Nine-Tails must be sealed last, so even if the Nine-Tails were not sealed, Madara is going to have to keep the fox under control until it is sealed (otherwise it will be free to roam around of its own accord). Perhaps Madara wanted to remove Minato from the equation, and also find a new host for when the time comes of the sealing of the fox. Madara himself says "someday [the fox] will be mine again;" that time has finally come.

But I do think Akatsuki was created long before Madara ever unleashed the Nine-Tails on Konoha, because of what Itachi says in chapter 386.



After Madara was defeated by Hashirama Senju at the Valley of the End, it was imperative that he keep his identity hidden (imagine that consequences if someone found out Madara was still alive), and thus he created Akatsuki so he could hide himself "in its shadow."



Madara says he faded from everyone's memories, including history, and that just furthers my reason to believe Akatsuki was created a short time after Madara's loss to Hashirama. How many members it had in the beginning is unknown, but over time it grew to the ten members we once knew it to be (now three). Besides, from what Madara said to Minato before departing, it sounds like the Moon's Eye Plan has been something Madara has been engineering for a great deal of time. Now he intends to actualize that vision.



And it still all remains to be seen.

These are my answer to your earlier post, but I don't think you read it so I post it again.

Give it up already. Why is this obsession with Madara? Are you saying Madara is stupid? Consider these facts, will you?
1. Akatsuki's member were looking for all the tail beasts where abouts in about the time skip (fact)
2. Madara waited for a long time to control the 9 tails. (fact, he said so, not me)
3. Madara said he wanted to destroy Konoha. (fact, he said so, not me)
4. There are quiet a lot !!!??? in Madara's portions in chapter 502 & 503. (facts) Must we explain it to you what is the meaning of !!!??? in a manga?
5. Madara has lured Minato away from the 9 tails. (fact, he tried to finish Minato quickly)
6. Madara said Minato can injured him and release the 9 tails in one move (fact, he said so, not me)

I think I must explain all the points above in plain English so there won't be any misundertanding.

Madara's intention for controlling the 9 tails and had it attacked Konoha was for complete destruction of Konoha. He has not been planning to extract the tail beasts from its host, hell no Akatsuki has not been formed, maybe Pain has not mastered the rinnegan yet so it means Madara has not met Pain yet. No Pain no extraction. If anything his failure at Minato's hand inspired him to form Akatsuki and came out with the extraction idea once he met Pain. Madara is a smart and patient man and also outstanding strategist.

Let's pretend I were Madara, so you suggested I would do something stupid like, it's not good if Kushina was the host let's force Minato to seal the 9 tails into his son, and lost half of the 9 tails power in the process, and hopefully I could get rid of Minato. After accomplished all those and successfully alerted Konoha of my existence and purposefully injured myself then let's find the other 8 tail beasts 13-14 years later and in total I'll wait for 16 years to get my hands on the 9 tails. Brilliant!!!!

"back then...he saw through everything I did," of course Madara did, if not he is really stupid. Before his attack he had all the infos about Minato's jutsus, he planned all the possibilities of Minato's reaction and be prepared. What Minato meant was just for the 1st of their encounters (not all the time), that's why we didn't see all those !!!??? on Madara, he had anticipated all of Minato's moves back then. That's the key to your 'back then'.

About Akatsuki, let's find out. Go get these facts, will you?
1. Aside from Pain, Konan, Itachi and maybe Zetsu and Orochimaru, the rest of Akatsuki regarded Pain as the founder and leader.
2. Tobi was not officially a member of Akatsuki before Sasori's dead.
3. Kisame not even aware of who Tobi really is before Tobi unmasked to him.
4. In the Kakhasi Gaiden, at the time of the war, Minato was already a jounin and a teacher to Kakhasi, Obito and Rin. Hell even Kakhasi was already a jounin.
5. In my estimation, Jiraiya supposed to teach Nagato, Konan and Yahiko at around the same time with Kakhasi Gaiden, meaning Nagato is younger than Minato and maybe the same age as Kakhasi.
6. When Jiraiya taught Nagato and company, he wrote the book whose hero was called Naruto.
7. Minato read the book when Jiraiya came back, at the same time Kushina got pregnant.
8. When Jiraiya left Nagato, he has not mastered the rinnegan, and it's years after that when Yahiko died and Nagato killed Hanzo.

Tell me then from all those facts, when Akatsuki was formed?
 
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About Akatsuki, let's find out. Go get these facts, will you?
1. Aside from Pain, Konan, Itachi and maybe Zetsu and Orochimaru, the rest of Akatsuki regarded Pain as the founder and leader.
2. Tobi was not officially a member of Akatsuki before Sasori's dead.
3. Kisame not even aware of who Tobi really is before Tobi unmasked to him.
4. In the Kakhasi Gaiden, at the time of the war, Minato was already a jounin and a teacher to Kakhasi, Obito and Rin.
5. In my estimation, Jiraiya supposed to teach Nagato, Konan and Yahiko at around the same time with Kakhasi Gaiden, meaning Nagato is younger than Minato.
6. When Jiraiya taught Nagato and company, he wrote the book whose hero was called Naruto.
7. Minato read the book when Jiraiya came back, at the same time Kushina got pregnant.
8. When Jiraiya left Nagato, he has not mastered the rinnegan, and it's years after that when Yahiko died and Nagato killed Hanzo.

Tell me then from all those facts, when Akatsuki was formed?[/QUOTE]

When Yahiko died nagato and conan, created akatsuki to bring peace....
 

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wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a fantastic chapter............ Minato really is damn coooooooooooooool................ No wonder he was praised so much. indeed greatest hokage!!!!!
 

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This was way better than i expected:D

Anyway, only one thing that`s not saying itself in this chapter and that really needs to be discussed as i see, and that is:

Minato said a host can`t use this tech(Death reaper seal).
I can only see two reasons:

1: The host simply can`t.
2: The host will drag the Bijuu with him/her and that can`t be allowed or something.

What do you think? I`m betting on the second one..

Im guessing the death reaper seal tech cant extract a bijuu cs it has too much chakra, thats why Minato said he can only seal half of it.
He also said that "its to great and physically and conceptually impossible to completely seal it all it all"

 

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Kurenai's father had the Rinnegan or was that just a wierd illustration? That's what it looked like to me. Maybe when Tobi talked about "taking out the Rinnegan" he meant Kurenai and Asuma's son?
Madara having his arm ripped off was awesome. The only thing that came to mind when I saw that was Izanagi.
On a side note...Everyone always says the "whiskers" on Naruto's cheeks were from having the Nine-Tails in him, but he had them before that. Anyone know the deal with the whiskers?
well, he is the son of the former Kyuubi jinchiriki.... and i remember vaguely someone mentioned that the chakra used for sealing the kyuubi during pregnancy is mostly used for the nutrition of the baby...
 
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