[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions

[yondaimeminato]

Last comment : Itachi Uchiha > Madara Etc. The Truth Is His Susanoo was unbeatable with the shield and sword absolutely NO one can beat it

sadly he is dead

 

[silenceofthelambs]

First of all, Hashirama didn't need to seal the fox away to allow his victory over Madara. If he had control of it, and was able to put it off aside for Mito to seal it, that does not mean he had help. He could have used the fox against Madara, but he didn't. He faught Madara 1 on 1, there was no assistance at all. Also, the sharingan can't release the tailed-beast. He can control it to do what he wants. It's not Sharingan releases, and Mokuton seals.

Secondly, your questions are idiotic, sorry to say. We have not seen the end of this fight. Also, Minato told Naruto who the masked man was when they met in Naruto's mind. Now, he would have only told Naruto this on two reasons. 1.) From viewing inside Naruto, he noticed the masked man was alive still after he thought he killed him that night, which is incorrect, or 2.) He knew this man couldn't be killed, he was somehow immortal, thus he would give Naruto the power of the fox, who too is immortal and physical attacks don't harm it. Minato was probably waging that the attacks from the fox might be able to inflict actual damage upon Madara. In which case, he needed the user to be able to use the fox's power. Unfortunately, Kushina's seals wouldn't allow that, so he created his own.

As for why was he forced to come back to the village to stop the fox? Are you stupid? Ok yea, Madara gave up his plan to get rid of Minato and instead forced Minato to go back to the village and save it cause Madara realised what he did was wrong. Obviously that's dumb. Minato wasn't FORCED to go back to save the village, he was the HOKAGE, it was his DUTY to SAVE the VILLAGE. He came back on his own free will, gave up his life on his own free will, saved his village ON HIS OWN FREE WILL. Now, the question is, how could he have done that when Madara can use this Space/Time jutsu and snag Minato. The answer is obvious, Minato succeeded in getting rid of Madara for enough time to seal the fox. Most of all, he sealed it SECRETLY. Madara never came back, why? Cause he didn't know who the fox was sealed in. It wasn't till years later he would have known it was Naruto, but he had time and Konoha had powerful ninjas prepping for his return such as Danzou, Jiraiya, etc.

Hashirama might not have needed to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox away to ensure his victory, but what would have happened if he didn't? Would he have just let the Nine-Tails run loose, and possibly let it fall right back into Madara's hands (considering he did not die from the clash he had with Hashirama)? While Hashirama might have taken control of the Nine-Tails, there was someone ready to have it sealed within them - Mito Uzumaki helped Hashirama by having the fox sealed inside her, the chakra she possessed well-suited to taming the Nine-Tailed Fox. You don't consider this help? Also, I'm pretty sure the Sharingan can release a tailed beast from its host.

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That is why I developed the theory that the Sharingan releases the Nine-Tails, and the Mokuton suppresses it. It would make sense because all the times we've seen Mokuton techniques in the manga, they have been used to suppress the Nine-Tailed Fox.

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Minato never told Naruto who exactly the masked man was. Look at chapter 440 again. He never mentions Madara's name to Naruto. If Minato knew that it was Madara behind the mask, why wouldn't he tell Naruto? Because it was just that - he didn't.

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Also, even if the Nine-Tailed Fox is immortal, does that make Naruto an everlasting person as well? No, but in the manga, Madara has been stated (though most likely incorrectly) that he is an "immortal," so to speak. So your argument about Naruto and Madara's immortality doesn't make sense - once again, the Nine-Tails might be a creature that cannot be harmed by physical attacks, but just because it is sealed into a host does not make the host invincible as well.

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The specifics of Madara's immortality have yet to be touched upon, but he implies the longevity of his chakra has something to do with it. As far as the fox's attacks harming Madara, I don't know about that statement either. If Madara were to keep his body permeable, no physical attack of any size or proportion would harm him. Simple as that.

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How do you know Madara gave up his plan of getting rid of Minato? Perhaps Madara's plan, along with the destruction of Konoha, was to remove Minato from the equation. After all, it would not be the first time he's tried to remove a Kage from influence, so as to make Madara's plans run more smoothly.

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And while it is almost like unwritten law that a Hokage sacrifice themselves for the village, Minato said he would have to trust Sarutobi with the village, and stop Madara "here." Well, why didn't he follow that plan?

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He knew that stopping Madara was a more pressing matter, yet for some reason he chose not to see it through, instead deciding to seal the Nine-Tailed Fox. What is the reason for that? While it is most likely because of a Hokage's duty to the village, don't you think that defeating Madara was also part of Minato's "duty" as Hokage?

Besides, Minato never sealed the fox "secretly." All the adults of Konoha knew that Naruto was the host of the Nine-Tails; Sarutobi made it law that the adults of Konoha be forbidden from telling this piece of information to their children, so as not to ostracize Naruto.

As the fight is not over yet, it's still not clear how events are going to play out, but I think Minato just rushed to the village's aid himself without finishing his fight Madara because he knew that circumstances would be much worse if the Nine-Tails was not sealed, and fast. He recognized that he wouldn't be able to defeat Madara (as you said, he was "somehow immortal"), not without a "special power," and sealed the Nine-Tailed Fox into Naruto hoping he would be able to use it to defeat Madara once and for all. Minato says that himself.

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Minato believed Naruto "could use [the Nine-Tails' power]," and take down Madara, "a very powerful ninja," with this "special power" that Minato sealed inside him. You don't know whether Madara "came back" to the village or not, as that only an assumption now. Perhaps it will be made true in the upcoming chapters, but we still don't know for sure. And no one has been preparing for Madara's return, because first of all, Minato never had enough time to tell anyone that he was fighting Madara, and secondly, he did not know positively that it even was Madara. He has only made his identity known to everyone fairly recently, that is to the ninja outside Akatsuki. But now that they know, everyone is going to be much more cautious, as the five Kages were at the summit, hoping to defeat him using the collective power of the ninja alliance.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

what makes you think that madara had this powers when he fought the first hokage?

You're asking me what makes me think Madara had his powers when he fought with the First Hokage, I presume?

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That's what. As you can see, Madara has his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, and controls the Nine-Tailed Fox to a greater degree than he does in chapters 501 and 502. This alone suggests that Madara was at full strength when fighting Hashirama.

 

[yondaimeminato]

The First Hokage did indeed defeat Madara, but it looks as if Hashirama had assistance from the outside. His wife, Mito Uzumaki, sealed the Nine-Tails inside herself when Hashirama took control of the Nine-Tails. If Mito were not there, both Hashirama and Madara would have ended up killing each other. Madara wants to create war because he wants to beat the Senju clan down to the ground, as revenge for the defeat he suffered all those years ago. I think that the Sharingan can only release a tailed beast, not suppress it, while Hashirama's Mokuton techniques can only suppress a tailed beast, not release it.

I know that sometimes being on the defensive presents an advantage for a person, but I was asking if Minato were to fight Madara (who has the Nine-Tailed Fox at his side), wouldn't Minato spend most if not all of the battle evading the Nine-Tails' attacks? Eventually Minato would make to make an attack if he would want to defeat Madara, would he not? It is true that we don't know much about Minato, even now, but if Minato were that powerful, why didn't he kill Madara? Minato said that he "[had] to stop to this guy," so why didn't he? Much still is not known about Minato sealing the Nine-Tailed Fox, but he said he would have to trust Sarutobi to take care of the village while he took care of Madara. What forced Minato to leave and seal the fox into Naruto?

Whatever Minato might have done to Madara that night, it's not showing now, because Madara has always stated in the manga that he is in this weakened state because of the fight with the First Hokage he had at the Valley of the End. Also, the facts you gave about Minato are not the only things we know about him, let me list a few others: Minato's Flying Thunder God technique was crucial for Konoha's victory in the Third Shinobi War, he created the Rasengan (and left it unfinished due to his early death), and sealed only a portion of the Nine-Tails' chakra into his son Naruto using the Shiki Fuujin. While there are more, these are some of the most important.

It is possible to make an assessment of Minato and his abilities, but the more information we get, the better the judgment becomes. And these next chapters will give us exactly that - more information on what exactly happened during that fateful night.

remember that kushina said that she taught him some seals. Since the seals of kushina helped suppressing the nine tail demon then I would assume minato knew some supressing seals. FGT, sealing power of the nine tail demon/ death reaper seal. There are just some. Who knows how many more minato knows. Uzumaki clan were feared by their sealing techniques. Due to this information, it would be right to assume that minato would have known a suppressing seal.

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"a whole bunch of different seals"

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from the link above, it seems that it wasn't just the first vs madara but also uzumaki mito aiding him in that battle.

there are still more we need to know about minato.

 

[yondaimeminato]

You're asking me what makes me think Madara had his powers when he fought with the First Hokage, I presume?

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That's what. As you can see, Madara has his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, and controls the Nine-Tailed Fox to a greater degree than he does in chapters 501 and 502. This alone suggests that Madara was at full strength when fighting Hashirama.

I know this, I am asking about his powers of teleportation, making his body transparent, susano and amatersu.

How do you know madara/tobi/mask man had all this powers when he fought against the first?

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Amaterasu and Susanoo? where have you seen madara using any of these? the answer is simple, no where. We have only seen sasuke and itachi use them. sasuke has itachi's MS powers because they are siblings and because itachi gave them to him. As far as I can remember each MS has it's own abilities. Like kakashi's MS kumai ability. Sasuke or itachi doesn't have it.

The Mangekyou Sharingan grants the user three abilities - Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo. The reason Kakashi's Mangekyou Sharingan is different is because it was not "built into him," so to speak; he is not an Uchiha, and developed his own Mangekyou Sharingan, instead of unlocking it like Itachi and Madara did.

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Look at what Sasuke says at the end of the chapter: "only those who can control the double Mangekyou can use this power...the third power...Susanoo." This suggests that Susanoo is one of the abilities awakened by a user as their Mangekyou Sharingan is taken further and further, to new heights. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo are all abilities that anyone with a Mangekyou Sharingan can awaken, but some never manage to activate some of these because they don't have the stimulus needed. For example, as Sasuke's hatred grew, his Susanoo reached completion as well.

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And this is why Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo are techniques present for anyone who awakens their Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[Jinchuuriki of Juubi]

lol, you guys are noobs, didn't you guys know this was an april fools joke??? this entire interview is fake. I know this because I remember exactly when it happened, BECAUSE MY BIRTHDAY IS APRIL FOOLS.

I think you are the fool.it is in naruto printed books and other such naruto related things.think before you make ridiculous comments.I've been reading naruto for nearly ten years so put it to rest 'noob'.just because I never prescribed to this forum untill recently means absolutely nothing.and to be honest these discussions are growing tiresome

 

[yondaimeminato]

The Mangekyou Sharingan grants the user three abilities - Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo. The reason Kakashi's Mangekyou Sharingan is different is because it was not "built into him," so to speak; he is not an Uchiha, and developed his own Mangekyou Sharingan, instead of unlocking it like Itachi and Madara did.

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Look at what Sasuke says at the end of the chapter: "only those who can control the double Mangekyou can use this power...the third power...Susanoo." This suggests that Susanoo is one of the abilities awakened by a user as their Mangekyou Sharingan is taken further and further, to new heights. Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo are all abilities that anyone with a Mangekyou Sharingan can awaken, but some never manage to activate some of these because they don't have the stimulus needed. For example, as Sasuke's hatred grew, his Susanoo reached completion as well.

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And this is why Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo are techniques present for anyone who awakens their Mangekyou Sharingan.

Anyone who has the ability to awaken susanoo, they would need to be able to have control of their double mangekyou in order to use it.

"awaken" and "use" are different.

first you will need to have the ability in order to use. Sasuke awakened/has this eye ability and he has double mangekyou so he can use it.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

remember that kushina said that she taught him some seals. Since the seals of kushina helped suppressing the nine tail demon then I would assume minato knew some supressing seals. FGT, sealing power of the nine tail demon/ death reaper seal. There are just some. Who knows how many more minato knows. Uzumaki clan were feared by their sealing techniques. Due to this information, it would be right to assume that minato would have known a suppressing seal.

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"a whole bunch of different seals"

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from the link above, it seems that it wasn't just the first vs madara but also uzumaki mito aiding him in that battle.

there are still more we need to know about minato.

Yes, Kushina taught Minato several different sealing techniques, but nothing in the manga states that Kushina taught Minato seals to suppress the Nine-Tailed Fox? If Minato some seals like that, why didn't he use them to stop the fox's rampage? Madara said that only two things can really control the Nine-Tailed Fox; "the powers of both Uchiha and Hashirama."

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Since Mito Uzumaki was aiding Hashirama in his battle with Madara, it might be the reason why Madara lost the battle. If Hashirama had taken control of the Nine-Tailed Fox, he could do nothing with it, and then Madara and Hashirama might have ended up killing each other, instead of Hashirama emerging victorious in their battle. Turns out that Hashirama actually had assistance from the outside. What if Mito weren't there? What would Hashirama have done? As I said, both of them would most likely have died, for a number of reasons: both deliver fatal blows to each other at the same time, chakra overuse, or extreme fatigue as a result of their titanic battle.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

Madara was praised as the strongest shinobi in the world, yet the First defeated him. There's a huge difference on being praised as the strongest and actually being the strongest. Madara loved killing and fighting, he led his clan into wars. The senjuu warriors also rivaled in wars but they weren't keen in killing, they tried to settle matters peacefully. Ofcourse everyone will say Madara is stronger when they see him fighting so often. Everyone will also think Hashirama is a scared *****, avoiding fights. Well, when it comes down to a face off, it appears the scared ***** won. Not to mention his power to control the tailed beasts far surpasses that of even the EMS.

Also, your assessment is pretty far off. Being on the defensive isn't always bad, it's actually at times better. As we saw, with such lightning speed, he also managed to think play-by-play strategy to take the offence while also at the same time figuring out the masked mans true identity. If you notice here, Minato is fighting Madara, he is trying to find a way to get rid of Madara or get away to save the village, and before this story of Minato, all we knew about was that he sealed Half the Fox inside Naruto. There's alot missing in between. How did he manage to get enough time to stop the fox, save the village, and create his own sealing technique to seal it in Naruto. Furthermore, the whole point of Madara's attack was to get Minato out of the way, release the fox, destroy Konoha. Why would Madara just let Minato re-seal it? Why, after Minato's death, did Madara not re-release the fox now that no one was able to stop him with Minato gone? I mean, Minato sacrificing himself eased the work on Madara having to rid him himself, doesn't it? No, there's alot missing there. My assessment would be your way off, Minato did do something to get rid/defeat Madara that night but not permenantly. I doubt Madara could take on Minato easily either even if Madara was at full power.

Your assessment has come from a character we heard so much about, learned so much of his power, the story of his age to grow up, his brother, his clan, his fight with the first. The you compared it to a man that all we knew about was he sealed the fox and saved Konoha 16 years ago. We don't know much about his lineage, nothing of his true potential, all we got we're "he looks just like his father", "Minato was younger the Kakashi when he became Hokage!", "He was a once in a life time genius.". That's not enough to make a good assessment, sorry mate.

The 1st was most respected. Madara said so himself, he admired the 1st and acknowledged he stood on top of the ninja world during that time.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

I know this, I am asking about his powers of teleportation, making his body transparent, susano and amatersu.

How do you know madara/tobi/mask man had all this powers when he fought against the first?

As I said in a different post, the Mangekyou Sharingan grants the user access to three abilities - Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo. Since Madara got as far as having an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, we can assume that he did indeed have these abilities, since every Uchiha with a Mangekyou does. As far as Madara's space-time ninjutsu, that could be something he developed along with the use of Mangekyou Sharingan, so I'm not exactly sure about that. But did Madara lose his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan during his fight with the First Hokage? Or is he using his mask to cover what is really there?

 

[yondaimeminato]

Yes, Kushina taught Minato several different sealing techniques, but nothing in the manga states that Kushina taught Minato seals to suppress the Nine-Tailed Fox? If Minato some seals like that, why didn't he use them to stop the fox's rampage? Madara said that only two things can really control the Nine-Tailed Fox; "the powers of both Uchiha and Hashirama."

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Since Mito Uzumaki was aiding Hashirama in his battle with Madara, it might be the reason why Madara lost the battle. If Hashirama had taken control of the Nine-Tailed Fox, he could do nothing with it, and then Madara and Hashirama might have ended up killing each other, instead of Hashirama emerging victorious in their battle. Turns out that Hashirama actually had assistance from the outside. What if Mito weren't there? What would Hashirama have done? As I said, both of them would most likely have died, for a number of reasons: both deliver fatal blows to each other at the same time, chakra overuse, or extreme fatigue as a result of their titanic battle.

the fact that minato sealed the nine tail demon into naruto suggest that he was able to suppress the nine tail demon. Do you think the nine tail demon fox would just say, here come seal me into your son. First minato would have to find a way to suppress the nine tail demon before he could be able to use his death reaper jutsu

why do you think madara/tobi/mask man doesn't want minato close to the nine tail demon fox. Madara/tobi/mask man forced minato to use his FGT and right now he is keeping him busy with him


you say that madara has his susanoo, amatersu, making himself transparent, teleporting etc etc. This is by far the best thing one could have, why still lose? even without the nine tail demon fox, he still had advantage over the first hokage.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

The First Hokage did indeed defeat Madara, but it looks as if Hashirama had assistance from the outside. His wife, Mito Uzumaki, sealed the Nine-Tails inside herself when Hashirama took control of the Nine-Tails. If Mito were not there, both Hashirama and Madara would have ended up killing each other. Madara wants to create war because he wants to beat the Senju clan down to the ground, as revenge for the defeat he suffered all those years ago. I think that the Sharingan can only release a tailed beast, not suppress it, while Hashirama's Mokuton techniques can only suppress a tailed beast, not release it.

I know that sometimes being on the defensive presents an advantage for a person, but I was asking if Minato were to fight Madara (who has the Nine-Tailed Fox at his side), wouldn't Minato spend most if not all of the battle evading the Nine-Tails' attacks? Eventually Minato would make to make an attack if he would want to defeat Madara, would he not? It is true that we don't know much about Minato, even now, but if Minato were that powerful, why didn't he kill Madara? Minato said that he "[had] to stop to this guy," so why didn't he? Much still is not known about Minato sealing the Nine-Tailed Fox, but he said he would have to trust Sarutobi to take care of the village while he took care of Madara. What forced Minato to leave and seal the fox into Naruto?

Whatever Minato might have done to Madara that night, it's not showing now, because Madara has always stated in the manga that he is in this weakened state because of the fight with the First Hokage he had at the Valley of the End. Also, the facts you gave about Minato are not the only things we know about him, let me list a few others: Minato's Flying Thunder God technique was crucial for Konoha's victory in the Third Shinobi War, he created the Rasengan (and left it unfinished due to his early death), and sealed only a portion of the Nine-Tails' chakra into his son Naruto using the Shiki Fuujin. While there are more, these are some of the most important.

It is possible to make an assessment of Minato and his abilities, but the more information we get, the better the judgment becomes. And these next chapters will give us exactly that - more information on what exactly happened during that fateful night.

Minato had the 3rd help him. While Minato fights Madara the 3rd is fighting the fox. Its the same then, the fox is not part of the who' stronger debate or anything related. Minato did have FTG but as you can see, it can be used against you, Madara already proved that. So far the fox has not done anything against Minato since he warped the blast.

 

[donnic]

awesome chapter!!!!! KICK HIS ASS 4TH!!!!!!:

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Alright just changing the topic when Hinata almost threw away her life for Naruto and when the fight with Pain was over I was sure that Kishi will continue this angle but ever since that nothing happened I mean Naruto should have at least talked with Hinata or Hinata should have approached Naruto but nothing happened. And when I think when Sakura after acting all so tough failed to kill Sasuke and then said "all I can do is believe in THEM" its just ridiculous, them I mean she should and must believe in Naruto not Sasuke. People are forgetting that Sasuke tried to sacrifice Karin who was his teammate, Sasuke has become a ridiculous mad villain and Sakura still keeps on saying all those ridiculous stuff about him. I really hope that Sakura dies I really hope that such a weak character which just keeps on acting tough deserves to die. I don't care who kills her but Sakura MUST DIE for the sake of the manga. Hell I like Sasuke when compared to Sakura at least Sasuke sticks to his words. Just let her die Kishi and let Hinata and Naruto be a happy couplexd

 

[yondaimeminato]

Alright just changing the topic when Hinata almost threw away her life for Naruto and when the fight with Pain was over I was sure that Kishi will continue this angle but ever since that nothing happened I mean Naruto should have at least talked with Hinata or Hinata should have approached Naruto but nothing happened. And when I think when Sakura after acting all so tough failed to kill Sasuke and then said "all I can do is believe in THEM" its just ridiculous, them I mean she should and must believe in Naruto not Sasuke. People are forgetting that Sasuke tried to sacrifice Karin who was his teammate, Sasuke has become a ridiculous mad villain and Sakura still keeps on saying all those ridiculous stuff about him. I really hope that Sakura dies I really hope that such a weak character which just keeps on acting tough deserves to die. I don't care who kills her but Sakura MUST DIE for the sake of the manga. Hell I like Sasuke when compared to Sakura at least Sasuke sticks to his words. Just let her die Kishi and let Hinata and Naruto be a happy couplexd

I always say

suspense makes things more interesting, saving the best for last.

gn

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

I always say

suspense makes things more interesting, saving the best for last.

gn

Suspense but the she is just a BURDEN come on Sasuke kill herxd and Madara you can just suck her up as well the same you did with Fu and Torune and by the way what happened to those guys are they dead or alive, or still stuck in that dimension if so they won't survive long if Madara doesn't suck them up quicklyxd

 

[cfordy3]

did minato die from using the reaper death seal? if this is true then my

prediction is that after minato sealed the kyubi inside naruto, he used this

technique on the masked man/madara/tobi and only sealed away part of him.

this explains why the masked man/madara/tobi is looking to restore his power

with the moons eye plan/ awaken the bijuu conglomeration to f some shiz up.

 

[yondaimeminato]

did minato die from using the reaper death seal? if this is true then my

prediction is that after minato sealed the kyubi inside naruto, he used this

technique on the masked man/madara/tobi and only sealed away part of him.

this explains why the masked man/madara/tobi is looking to restore his power

with the moons eye plan/ awaken the bijuu conglomeration to f some shiz up.

Yeah, minato died from the death reaper seal, once this jutsu is used there is no coming back, the user has to give up his soul at the end. But you can still use it several times like the third used kage bushin to seal away the souls of the first, the second and orochimaru's arm.

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that's an interesting theory

 

[Firass]

Hashirama used Madara's own weapon against him. What was supposed to be an asset of Madara's now become Mito Uzumaki's. Just a thought, though. Mito Uzumaki had children, didn't she? Why didn't Madara just steal the Nine-Tails from her, instead of waiting for Kushina to give birth to Naruto?

Since it was unknown that the seal would be weakened under childbirth, since Mito was the first kyubi Jinchuriki