[Predictions] Naruto Manga 502 Discussion and 503 Predictions

[silenceofthelambs]

even if madara was at full power i doubt he could keep up with minato's pure speed and power. Even without the ftg minato is shown as being quite fast. madra without that space time jutsu would be dead. Even in madara's prime.

Madara during his prime would have his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, all of his techniques (presumably), and a greater control of the Nine-Tailed Fox. No physical attacks work on the Nine-Tails, so Minato would be dead fighting the Nine-Tails before he would even get an oppurtunity to actually face Madara.

 

[dexter64]

All i can say is wow......plus i learned something about the second...he used space time jutsus aswell...i thought he was only a master of water techs...im gonna have to do some research

Now, I don't think it's random, maybe Kishi just throw it as a false hint or maybe it's a real hint. A hint to what exactly? It's possible that:

1. Time/space jutsu is bloodline limited. I read somewhere that Kishi said Naruto has a bloodline limit jutsu that will be reaveled soon.
2. If the point 1 is true then we need something to justify the bloodline. So my guess will be that the 4th is related to the 2nd as in the grandchild or great grandchild.

Those thoughts made me searching for the 2nd Hokage picture and sure enough if you want to search for similarity than I would say the hair could be said quite similar. Of course Jiraiya also has the same similarity then, but who knows, maybe Jiraiya is the 2nd Hokage grandchild which makes Jiraiya and Minato cousins.

What you guys think?

 

[silenceofthelambs]

how come kakashi says the only person that can surpass the 4th is naruto so that basically states that the 4th hokage has to be the strongest

Kakashi might be saying Naruto is the only living person that can surpass the Fourth Hokage. But even still that wouldn't be true, because the interview that JinchuurikiofJuubi posted here said that there a few ninja still living that are stronger than Minato.

Kakashi is speaking only about the ninja he knows; if he knew Madara Uchiha was still alive at the time he said that, his wording of that phrase might be a little different. While Kakashi meant what he said to Naruto, it is both true and false. Naruto can and will surpass his father, but there are those who have already surpassed him.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Ok 1 question why are you making an assumption that he would over power minato and full strength easily. I'm starting to think you don't like the guy and giving Madara too much praise

Simply for this reason -

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. Itachi says that "soon [Madara] was praised as the strongest Shinobi in the world." Having a title like that means quite a lot, don't you think? As, back then, "the strongest Shinobi," I think Madara would defeat Minato quite easily. Minato's main asset is speed, but since Madara controls and tames the Nine-Tailed Fox "like a pet," the only thing Minato would be able to do is hope to run away. And after a time, he would just be defeated. The object of a fight is to land an attack against an opponent, and while Minato continues to run using his Flying Thunder God technique, he would always be on the defensive. That's my assessment of the situation. How about yours?

 

[silenceofthelambs]

lol, you guys are noobs, didn't you guys know this was an april fools joke??? this entire interview is fake. I know this because I remember exactly when it happened, BECAUSE MY BIRTHDAY IS APRIL FOOLS.

You wrote this on the "Minato vs. Madara" thread as well; for a moment I thought it was the same interview, but at the same time I thought the other way. Well, I believe you; and I actually thought the interview was real. So once again, that makes one piece of evidence revert to nothing.

 

[JMAN]

Madara during his prime would have his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, all of his techniques (presumably), and a greater control of the Nine-Tailed Fox. No physical attacks work on the Nine-Tails, so Minato would be dead fighting the Nine-Tails before he would even get an oppurtunity to actually face Madara.

The space time jutsu that minato used on the giant attack of the kyuubi , he could landed it back on the kyuubi . And that's it Nine tails finished in a matter of seconds my friend !
And don't underestimate yondaime , do you think he was made hokage just because of his speed ? do you ? - I think he has also got elementel jutsu and other space time jutsus
And please don't make Madara Uchiha a god like ninja , because he ain't . if he was as strong as you say , he wouldn't still be trying to take revenge ! he has been thwarted a number of times by ninjas stronger than him !

 

[silenceofthelambs]

The space time jutsu that minato used on the giant attack of the kyuubi , he could landed it back on the kyuubi . And that's it Nine tails finished in a matter of seconds my friend !
And don't underestimate yondaime , do you think he was made hokage just because of his speed ? do you ? - I think he has also got elementel jutsu and other space time jutsus
And please don't make Madara Uchiha a god like ninja , because he ain't . if he was as strong as you say , he wouldn't still be trying to take revenge ! he has been thwarted a number of times by ninjas stronger than him !

Minato used a space-time barrier in chapter 502, and said he has to be careful about where he sends that gigantic blast. If he turned the blast on the Nine-Tailed Fox, he might have destroyed the fox, but Konoha would be leveled to the ground as well.

Why would Itachi say that Madara was, in the past, the strongest Shinobi in the world, if he wasn't? If Minato fought Madara during his prime, Madara would have all his techniques as well, and as I said, a greater control of the Nine-Tailed Fox. Even if the Nine-Tails were out of the way, Madara in his prime would be unbeatable - the only reason Hashirama managed to win was because he turned the Nine-Tailed Fox on Madara, leading to his defeat.

In his weakened state, he has considerably less power, and most go about using other methods to accomplish his plans. But even still, as an empty shell of his former self, Madara manages to put up a fight with the Fourth Hokage, and it is still unclear whether chapter 502 was the end of their battle or not. So I could say the same to you: don't underestimate Madara, because as it looks from here, you're trying to raise Minato to the status of a god in your own way.

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Soon we'll find out what Minato really meant when he said "back then...he saw through everything I did."

 

[cyris]

Yeah! Madara is really powerful,,, but Naruto is on his way to crushed Madara... I wish Minato teach Naruto how to use the Teleportation Technique.... that technique would be cool for Naruto...

 

[cyris]

I will give 2 thumbs up for the author and staff of Naruto base... And 2 thumbs up for Naruto...

 

[JMAN]

Minato used a space-time barrier in chapter 502, and said he has to be careful about where he sends that gigantic blast. If he turned the blast on the Nine-Tailed Fox, he might have destroyed the fox, but Konoha would be leveled to the ground as well.

Why would Itachi say that Madara was, in the past, the strongest Shinobi in the world, if he wasn't? If Minato fought Madara during his prime, Madara would have all his techniques as well, and as I said, a greater control of the Nine-Tailed Fox. Even if the Nine-Tails were out of the way, Madara in his prime would be unbeatable - the only reason Hashirama managed to win was because he turned the Nine-Tailed Fox on Madara, leading to his defeat.

In his weakened state, he has considerably less power, and most go about using other methods to accomplish his plans. But even still, as an empty shell of his former self, Madara manages to put up a fight with the Fourth Hokage, and it is still unclear whether chapter 502 was the end of their battle or not. So I could say the same to you: don't underestimate Madara, because as it looks from here, you're trying to raise Minato to the status of a god in your own way.

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Soon we'll find out what Minato really meant when he said "back then...he saw through everything I did."

Yeah so you agree if they were fighting on an open space the kyuubi would have been beaten in a matter of minutes !
I haven't said anything as if Minato is strongest shinobi ever or else . I only said that Minato isn't just hokage because of his flying thunder technique and thats it !
Yeah but Madara still has his teleportation jutsu which variates into very good defense as well . This jutsu might be one of the best you see in the ninja world. So you can't say that he is weak you know , i know he isn't like before but he is still strong because of this amazing space time jutsu !

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

I have thought a bit and come up with some ideas.

1) Madara was indeed hit by the rasengan, however besides warping himself or the technique itself, he also showed another ability... When Suigetsu said he only joined Sasuke for Kisame's sword, when he tried to cut Kisame, Madara blocked it with just his hand. So maybe he did the same again which means he was hit, but won't take any damage.

2) About the rinnegan, in the manga it shows Pein's other bodies had the rinegan.. even after death. He may not need to find Nagato's body. He could have taken them from one of the bodies really easily. This means he could have plenty... for him and Sasuke.

3) Madara just used genjutsu on Minato, the same as Itachi did on Naruto.

This is just my guess.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

After reading this week's manga I have come to the realization that, the Uchiha clan was killed off for no reason @ all. Ill Explain in a moment.

Notice how Madara did not want the 4th hokage to go and tell the 3rd about the events that took place last chapter. I have a strong feeling that the 4th's last words to the 3rd might have been "Uchiha" which would trigger a whole chain of events in the years to come.

The 3rd hokage becoming increasingly suspicious of the uchiha and the uchiha no longer trusting the 3rd since he segregated them to a small portion of the village. So they decide to destroy the leaf before the leaf destroys them. Little do they realize that it was all madara's doing the uchiha clan did not have anything to do with the attack.

Call me crazy but that's my theory regarding the events of the uchiha extermination.

Doubtful, the 3rd watched over Sasuke and he just isn't the kinda guy to do that. Sounds more like Danzo.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

Minato used a space-time barrier in chapter 502, and said he has to be careful about where he sends that gigantic blast. If he turned the blast on the Nine-Tailed Fox, he might have destroyed the fox, but Konoha would be leveled to the ground as well.

Why would Itachi say that Madara was, in the past, the strongest Shinobi in the world, if he wasn't? If Minato fought Madara during his prime, Madara would have all his techniques as well, and as I said, a greater control of the Nine-Tailed Fox. Even if the Nine-Tails were out of the way, Madara in his prime would be unbeatable - the only reason Hashirama managed to win was because he turned the Nine-Tailed Fox on Madara, leading to his defeat.

In his weakened state, he has considerably less power, and most go about using other methods to accomplish his plans. But even still, as an empty shell of his former self, Madara manages to put up a fight with the Fourth Hokage, and it is still unclear whether chapter 502 was the end of their battle or not. So I could say the same to you: don't underestimate Madara, because as it looks from here, you're trying to raise Minato to the status of a god in your own way.

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Soon we'll find out what Minato really meant when he said "back then...he saw through everything I did."

He didn't turn it on Madara, his wife sealed it. Basically removed the fox from the whole fight.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Madara said to Sasuke in some Chapters back...

''i'm still weak from my last fight with Minato''

''i don't recovery all my powers yet''


That means he'll know pain on the next chapter!!!

idk what ur talking about. madara never even told sasuke that he caused the nine tailed fox ( still might be true since we aren't really sure in the madara/tobi/masked man problem right now. as far as we know it could be 2 different ppl.) and when u say pain do u mean the person (nagato) or that he is going to be hurt. lol

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Yeah so you agree if they were fighting on an open space the kyuubi would have been beaten in a matter of minutes !
I haven't said anything as if Minato is strongest shinobi ever or else . I only said that Minato isn't just hokage because of his flying thunder technique and thats it !
Yeah but Madara still has his teleportation jutsu which variates into very good defense as well . This jutsu might be one of the best you see in the ninja world. So you can't say that he is weak you know , i know he isn't like before but he is still strong because of this amazing space time jutsu !

Not necessarily. I was speaking hypothetically, "if;" and whether the Nine-Tailed Fox's attacks can be harmed if its own attacks are turned upon itself remains to be seen.

And I never said that Madara is "weak;" I said that he is in a weakened state after his loss to Hashirama Senju, and thus is forced to use other methods to go about his plans. But I agree with you, his space-time ninjutsu is good for offense and defense together. It would be interesting to see all of Hashirama and Madara's battle; it'll probably be a mirror of Naruto and Sasuke's eventual clash.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

He didn't turn it on Madara, his wife sealed it. Basically removed the fox from the whole fight.

In a sense, he did.

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Hashirama used Madara's own weapon against him. What was supposed to be an asset of Madara's now become Mito Uzumaki's. Just a thought, though. Mito Uzumaki had children, didn't she? Why didn't Madara just steal the Nine-Tails from her, instead of waiting for Kushina to give birth to Naruto?

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Madara says he has waited a long time for this "brief moment" to take the Nine-Tails from Kushina, but why not from Mito? The seal, the same way, would be weakened during childbirth, and Madara could make the same attempt to retrieve the Nine-Tailed Fox. Maybe it'll be explained later on in the manga.

 

[Hipster Madara]

The ANBU said that "they are hailed as being the best Shinobi;" taking this as fact, does it not mean that they are more powerful than all other ninja, including the Fourth Hokage?

And Jiraiya and Tsunade never said that Minato was the strongest of the Hokages.

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They only said that "[Minato] had the talent to become [a] top-rated ninja," not that he was the most powerful ninja in history. Many ninja in history have become "top-rated" figures, so I suppose that achieving this title can be done by many. Jiraiya said that Minato had the potential to become one of the best, but not the very best. Whereas the ANBU stated that the First and Second Hokages were the best Shinobi, presumably in the world.

Hashirama and Tobirama Senju did become the best ninja to walk the planet, while Minato could have come near this claim. It is stronger evidence when an action is done, not when it could, should or might be performed.

OFF TOPIC (lol sorry) :
but i lol'd when tsunade called the first and second hokages losers, called the fourth a fool (indirectly), made fun of the 3rd's age and dissed the title of hokage in the same page

 

[silenceofthelambs]

After reading this week's manga I have come to the realization that, the Uchiha clan was killed off for no reason @ all. Ill Explain in a moment.

Notice how Madara did not want the 4th hokage to go and tell the 3rd about the events that took place last chapter. I have a strong feeling that the 4th's last words to the 3rd might have been "Uchiha" which would trigger a whole chain of events in the years to come.

The 3rd hokage becoming increasingly suspicious of the uchiha and the uchiha no longer trusting the 3rd since he segregated them to a small portion of the village. So they decide to destroy the leaf before the leaf destroys them. Little do they realize that it was all madara's doing the uchiha clan did not have anything to do with the attack.

Call me crazy but that's my theory regarding the events of the uchiha extermination.

Sarutobi tried to negotiate with the Uchiha, but everything fell through, and as Madara says, "it all led to that night."

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Sarutobi was a peaceful man who would have tried all sorts of methods to avoid this diaster, but in the end it was inevitable. The seed of anger had been planted, and someone needed to halt its dangerous growth. That person was Itachi Uchiha.

 

[Hipster Madara]

In a sense, he did.

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Hashirama used Madara's own weapon against him. What was supposed to be an asset of Madara's now become Mito Uzumaki's. Just a thought, though. Mito Uzumaki had children, didn't she? Why didn't Madara just steal the Nine-Tails from her, instead of waiting for Kushina to give birth to Naruto?

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Madara says he has waited a long time for this "brief moment" to take the Nine-Tails from Kushina, but why not from Mito? The seal, the same way, would be weakened during childbirth, and Madara could make the same attempt to retrieve the Nine-Tailed Fox. Maybe it'll be explained later on in the manga.

Cuz madara was probably wetting his pants scared of the 1st hokage

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(ok seriously now)
but seriously he knows the 1st can beat him, he is probably still hurt, and i think he is smart enough to not appear in front of someone who thinks he is dead (especially since he can beat him) so that the whole world knows he is alive. he would be hunted down by now if that happened. he probably needed to lay low for a while form the akatsuki or something

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Cuz madara was probably wetting his pants scared of the 1st hokage

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(ok seriously now)
but seriously he knows the 1st can beat him, he is probably still hurt, and i think he is smart enough to not appear in front of someone who thinks he is dead (especially since he can beat him) so that the whole world knows he is alive. he would be hunted down by now if that happened. he probably needed to lay low for a while form the akatsuki or something

Then the question is, when did Hashirama die? He was said to have been killed in war, but do you think the person that might have done him in during the war was Madara, keeping his identity hidden? That would be a twist of events, now wouldn't it? Hashirama wins the battle, but Madara wins the war between the two.

Mito Uzumaki lived well beyond the First Hokage's lifetime, but then again, Mito most likely gave birth while Hashirama was still alive, so you are correct in saying that it would have been impossible for Madara to take the Nine-Tailed Fox, as Hashirama would have known it was him. Madara, as you said, most likely had to lay low a while with Akatsuki, hiding himself in its shadow. And in due time the organization would expand to the point as we know it now.