[Discussion] Mihawk is>Shanks right?

[Punk Hazard]

When Mihawk came to that island with Luffy's poster Shanks asked "you came for a rematch?", meaning that Shanks won previous time....

A rematch is just another match. It doesn't mean Shanks won.

 

[Lightbringer]

Doesn't really matter. Kaku had three different fighting styles, and he's still a swordsman. He had two separate alternative combat styles that gave him an advantage over Zoro, someone whose only fighting style is swordsmanship. Who won?

A bisento isn't a sword. Shanks' primary style of combat has been shown to be swordsmanship. Compare the amount of conflicts he's been in that he grabbed his sword to the amount where he didn't grab his sword. And even if isn't his primary means of fighting, as long as it's a consistent and regular means, he's a swordsman.

Same scenario with Shanks. He can have 15 different abilities, he's still a swordsman, so for now, the manga points to him being weaker than Mihawk to some degree.

We haven't seen Shanks fighting or even unleash his full strength. We just saw him draw his sword much like Whitbeard always draws out his Bisento.

When Whitebeard gets serious he puts his Bisento down. In manga, has there ever been a character who went full power in the beginning of the fight? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

And again, my example with Gai and him being known as the strongest taijutsu user when Sasuke could still beat him.

Him being the best swordsmen does not mean he's the greatest fighter there ever was.

 

[MadaraReturns]

A rematch is just another match. It doesn't mean Shanks won.

I know bur why'd he want a rematch if he already won?

 

[Punk Hazard]

We haven't seen Shanks fighting or even unleash his full strength. We just saw him draw his sword much like Whitbeard always draws out his Bisento.

When Whitebeard gets serious he puts his Bisento down. In manga, has there ever been a character who went full power in the beginning of the fight? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

And again, my example with Gai and him being known as the strongest taijutsu user when Sasuke could still beat him.

Him being the best swordsmen does not mean he's the greatest fighter there ever was.

It can be argued that WB's Bisento is one-half of his main fighting style, which is the Gura combined with tons of raw physical power, which backs up his Bisento. He utilized it many times in tandem with his DF powers, and at times attacked powerful people in lieu of it. WB's Bisento is far from a throwaway combat style.

WB has used his Bisento in serious fights all the time. He chose to use it instead of the Gura to intercept Kizaru. He used it against Akainu and had their first major clash with it. He used it in tandem with his DF for the entirety of the war, used it to incapacitate Teach, which a Gura blast failed to do, and chose to clash with another Yonko using it, and struck at Aokiji with it. You think Whitebeard would do so when using his Bisento is just some toy to him?

Gai was called the best Taijutsu user. There's a difference between best Taijutsu user and strongest Taijutsu. The former directly indicates that someone is the most skilled at doing something, while the latter is someone is the overall strongest of everyone in this category.

When did I say this?

I know bur why'd he want a rematch if he already won?

Because Shanks is a coy jokester and wasn't being literal?

 

[loj]

You don't consider him a swordsman because an external power independent of his sword but along with his sword.

By this logic, Zoro isn't a swordsman because he uses Haki, an external power independent of his swords.

That's different.


All what Zoro ever used was sword and only sword.

Law can use things without sword.Zoro can't.

I never said he isn't a swordman you might missunderstood but I don't see him as someone who only depends on his sword swordman like Zoro and Mihawk do.

Well I made things complicated XD I've never seen anyone saying swordman Law(or did I?)...that might help.


**** it let's forget I even wrote something here I confused myself naw

 

[LBeezy]

It can be argued that WB's Bisento is one-half of his main fighting style, which is the Gura combined with tons of raw physical power, which backs up his Bisento. He utilized it many times in tandem with his DF powers, and at times attacked powerful people in lieu of it. WB's Bisento is far from a throwaway combat style.

WB has used his Bisento in serious fights all the time. He chose to use it instead of the Gura to intercept Kizaru. He used it against Akainu and had their first major clash with it. He used it in tandem with his DF for the entirety of the war, used it to incapacitate Teach, which a Gura blast failed to do, and chose to clash with another Yonko using it, and struck at Aokiji with it. You think Whitebeard would do so when using his Bisento is just some toy to him?

Gai was called the best Taijutsu user. There's a difference between best Taijutsu user and strongest Taijutsu. The former directly indicates that someone is the most skilled at doing something, while the latter is someone is the overall strongest of everyone in this category.

When did I say this?



Because Shanks is a coy jokester and wasn't being literal?

"The Best" is better than the rest.

Nothing better than "The Best".

But the "World's Strongest Swordsman" title goes to the strongest swordsman. Doesn't mean that another swordsman who has other means of fighting automatically loses in a battle to the death though. The title just means that if you're going to challenge Mihawk with only a sword fight. Sword to sword. Mihawk will win. It doesn't mention anything outside the usage of a sword bro.

That's all everyone is trying to say.

 

[Lightbringer]

It can be argued that WB's Bisento is one-half of his main fighting style, which is the Gura combined with tons of raw physical power, which backs up his Bisento. He utilized it many times in tandem with his DF powers, and at times attacked powerful people in lieu of it. WB's Bisento is far from a throwaway combat style.

WB has used his Bisento in serious fights all the time. He chose to use it instead of the Gura to intercept Kizaru. He used it against Akainu and had their first major clash with it. He used it in tandem with his DF for the entirety of the war, used it to incapacitate Teach, which a Gura blast failed to do, and chose to clash with another Yonko using it, and struck at Aokiji with it. You think Whitebeard would do so when using his Bisento is just some toy to him?

Gai was called the best Taijutsu user. There's a difference between best Taijutsu user and strongest Taijutsu. The former directly indicates that someone is the most skilled at doing something, while the latter is someone is the overall strongest of everyone in this category.

When did I say this?

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That literally makes no sense. Now you're just paraphrasing for your own benefit.

You're also completely omitting a big factor. The last time Mihawk and Shanks fought was before the start of the series. Shanks had both arms. You're assuming he hasn't gotten stronger.

Also, Mihawk retreats when Shanks arrives during the war.

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And lastly, since you're all about "manga facts" and titles, let me just post this scan in.

It clearly states that there are numerous pirates but the Yonko are the strongest of all. Mihawk is a pirate. Do you deny facts?

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[Punk Hazard]

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That literally makes no sense. Now you're just paraphrasing for your own benefit.

If you say so.

You're also completely omitting a big factor. The last time Mihawk and Shanks fought was before the start of the series. Shanks had both arms. You're assuming he hasn't gotten stronger.

Because there's no way Mihawk didn't either.

Also, Mihawk retreats when Shanks arrives during the war.

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That's not retreating.

And lastly, since you're all about "manga facts" and titles, let me just post this scan in.

It clearly states that there are numerous pirates but the Yonko are the strongest of all. Mihawk is a pirate. Do you deny facts?

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As Bogard(I think it was Bogard) once pointed out, the official translation says that the Yonko are the four most powerful pirates in the New World, which Mihawk does not reside in. A Yonko's power also includes their forces and fleets.

 

[LBeezy]

This has turned into straight denial of facts at this point.

 

[loj]

If you say so.


Because there's no way Mihawk didn't either.

That's not retreating.

As Bogard(I think it was Bogard) once pointed out, the official translation says that the Yonko are the four most powerful pirates in the New World, which Mihawk does not reside in. A Yonko's power also includes their forces and fleets.[/QUOTE]

But doesn't Shanks has just one ship? Him and his crew? Makes you wonder how strong these guys are.

 

[Lightbringer]

If you say so.


Because there's no way Mihawk didn't either.

That's not retreating.

As Bogard(I think it was Bogard) once pointed out, the official translation says that the Yonko are the four most powerful pirates in the New World, which Mihawk does not reside in. A Yonko's power also includes their forces and fleets.

I'm not the only one saying so. Everyone who replied to your comment said the same thing. You're obviously wrong.

Luffy trained for 2 years and became more powerful than Doflamingo who was originally stronger than him. Shanks progressed to the point of a Yonko. I think it's a safe bet that he got more powerful.

It's not retreating? So walking away from a battle is what then?

You'll have to prove that. Otherwise you're saying that Yonko aren't the strongest pirates which is ludicrous.

 

[loj]

I'm not the only one saying so. Everyone who replied to your comment said the same thing. You're obviously wrong.

Luffy trained for 2 years and became more powerful than Doflamingo who was originally stronger than him. Shanks progressed to the point of a Yonko. I think it's a safe bet that he got more powerful.

It's not retreating? So walking away from a battle is what then?

You'll have to prove that. Otherwise you're saying that Yonko aren't the strongest pirates which is ludicrous.

But Luffy isn't stronger than Doflamingo.

He defeated Doflamingo with Law's help and even then he needed 10 min break with everyone elses help to defeat Doffy.

In 1v1 situation Doffy is the winner.

 

[Punk Hazard]

But doesn't Shanks has just one ship? Him and his crew? Makes you wonder how strong these guys are.

He has multiple ships.

I'm not the only one saying so. Everyone who replied to your comment said the same thing. You're obviously wrong.

LMAOOO

Luffy trained for 2 years and became more powerful than Doflamingo who was originally stronger than him. Shanks progressed to the point of a Yonko. I think it's a safe bet that he got more powerful.

Shanks was a Yonko since the start of the series.

Also, Luffy was not more powerful than Doffy. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he is. Doffy and Luffy determine the growth rate of everyone else in the series now?

It's not retreating? So walking away from a battle is what then?

He wasn't contracted to fight Shanks. It wasn't his duty. It's already been shown many times the Shichibukai, particularly Mihawk, barely comply with the WG's demands. Shanks was extra, so he had no obligation to get involved.

You'll have to prove that. Otherwise you're saying that Yonko aren't the strongest pirates which is ludicrous.

Strongest due to their fleet and the strongest IN THE NEW WORLD. Mihawk resides in Paradise.

 

[Lightbringer]

But Luffy isn't stronger than Doflamingo.

He defeated Doflamingo with Law's help and even then he needed 10 min break with everyone elses help to defeat Doffy.

In 1v1 situation Doffy is the winner.

Fair analysis. But my point still stands. Not every character trains the same way or progresses tot he same level in the same amount of time.

Shanks was given Roger's hat for a reason.

 

[Lightbringer]

He has multiple ships.


LMAOOO


Shanks was a Yonko since the start of the series.

Also, Luffy was not more powerful than Doffy. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he is. Doffy and Luffy determine the growth rate of everyone else in the series now?


He wasn't contracted to fight Shanks. It wasn't his duty. It's already been shown many times the Shichibukai, particularly Mihawk,


Strongest due to their fleet and the strongest IN THE NEW WORLD. Mihawk resides in Paradise.

I love this. You're such a hypocrite.

Kaido is called strongest creature. You tell everyone he's the strongest pirate alive.

Yonko called strongest of all pirates. You deny it.

 

[loj]

Fair analysis. But my point still stands. Not every character trains the same way or progresses tot he same level in the same amount of time.

Shanks was given Roger's hat for a reason.

Well I think of Shanks very highly.

I do believe he needed to train when he lost his hand to "replace" his hand with more power.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I love this. You're such a hypocrite.

Kaido is called strongest creature. You tell everyone he's the strongest pirate alive.

Yonko called strongest of all pirates. You deny it.

Strongest pirates in the New World.

 

[Lightbringer]

Strongest pirates in the New World.

You don't have a scan to prove it.

Again. Mihawk retreated. It was clear as day.


Also I heard there is dispute upon the translation of the title. I read that in the VIZ he was referred to as "greatest swordsman" not "strongest."

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[LBeezy]

Strongest pirates in the New World.

Punctuation is key my friend. And that sentence, depending on how it is written in the manga, can go two ways.

The strongest pirates in the new world.

The strongest pirates. In the new world.
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The strongest pirates, in the new world.

 

[ssjelf]

We dont know enough about Conqeurors haki but that might be shanks main form of combat. Also from the way mihawk didnt want to fight shanks it seems he was dissatisfied with the state of their last deul and might be upset that shanks lost an arm so he cant even the score or something along those lines.

As it stands as much as people refute this, the 4 yonko are the strongest pirates as said by garp and mihawk is a pirate so shanks>mihawk. We dont know the circumstances yet on shanks and mihawks duel but to me it is unlikely that mihawk is stronger than shanks.