[Discussion] Scratch Sanji from The Monster Trio

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He'll continue to be the third strongest member of the crew.


What's stupid is the fact people are hellbent on comparing him to Zoro and Luffy. Zoro and Luffy will always be the main fighters of the crew, and more involved in the "leadership", similar to Kidd and Killer. No clue why Sanji has to be strong as Zoro, to be part of the monster trio, when Sanji is much smarter than the other 2.


And also.. Ivankov himself is a legend.
 
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Some people don't understand the sense of humor Oda was putting through in Usopp Sanji and other StrawHats.

If Sanji is really kicked off the Monster Trio, explain the 5 stars Usopp got. It's more by 2 stars than Luffy had. There should be a hint here or there, right?

However, stupid thread is dumb stupid.
 

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Hahahahahaha man you guys keep suprising me every single time!! Nice humour.

Anyways, seriously, Zoro is (about to be) the strongest swordsman as far as we know. We can discuss this forever but Sanji is weak.
hmm... okay ? lol , you must not be following the same series as we are , but okay...
Just because Sanji's attacks are not flashy doesn't mean he is weak, he is obviously strong, and oda creating lost sanji's hype in zou for something big he has done which will make his place again in monster trio.
 

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Jyabura's df was much stronger in strength!!!
No it wasn't. All Zoans amplifiy the user's stats. Kaku's DF is very helpful for him since he specializes in Rankakyu, and giraffes have very strong legs. A giraffe's long neck also enhances Kaku's Rankakyu. The long nose that Kaku's DF provides him with enhances his Shigan. The only part of a wolf that Jabra used was the claws.
 

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No it wasn't. All Zoans amplifiy the user's stats. Kaku's DF is very helpful for him since he specializes in Rankakyu, and giraffes have very strong legs. A giraffe's long neck also enhances Kaku's Rankakyu. The long nose that Kaku's DF provides him with enhances his Shigan. The only part of a wolf that Jabra used was the claws.
This. Jabra's DF boosted Shigan the most, and it's not even his specialty.
 

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It was never stated a carnivorous Zoan was stronger than a herbivore IIRC. Also, giraffes can decapitate lions with a single kick. I think they can fair pretty well against a wolf.
Oh the way I phrased it is different, some translations say that they are more violent/bloodthirsty likein the mangapanda version. Chapter 349.
 

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Oh the way I phrased it is different, some translations say that they are more violent/bloodthirsty likein the mangapanda version. Chapter 349.

It's like Nekomamushi & Inuarashi, Neko is far more violent than Inuarashi but they're equally strong. Zoro vs Kaku was far more devastating than Sanji VS Jyabra as noted by Sanji himself. Jyabra can't possibly be stronger or as strong as Kaku when he couldn't even push a wounded Sanji to his limits.
 
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It's like Nekomamushi & Inuarashi, Neko is far more violent than Inuarashi but they're equally strong. Zoro vs Kaku was far more devastating than Sanji VS Jyabra as noted by Sanji himself. Jyabra can't possibly be stronger or as strong as Kaku when he couldn't even push a wounded Sanji to his limits.
The fight being more devastating doesn't necessarily have anything to do with them being stronger, but they're fighting styles. Kaku and Zoro specialize in projectile attacks, so when they're deflected or dodged, they will destroy the surrounding environment. Jabra and Sanji are martial artists who specialized in direct blows with their bodies, so their attacks when dodged or deflected wouldn't affect the environment as much.
 

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The fight being more devastating doesn't necessarily have anything to do with them being stronger, but they're fighting styles. Kaku and Zoro specialize in projectile attacks, so when they're deflected or dodged, they will destroy the surrounding environment. Jabra and Sanji are martial artists who specialized in direct blows with their bodies, so their attacks when dodged or deflected wouldn't affect the environment as much.
If it's just about fighting style then there is no meaning in hyping the point of their battle destroying the surroundings let alone using Sanji of all people to deliver the said hype. Nami and Usopp also said something like just being near their battle gave them chills or something along these lines. Sanji and Jyabra destroyed their surroundings during their battles. Luffy destroyed whole town to beat Joker. Akainu Vs Aokiji which left permanent effects on PH even after their battle. Shiki VS Sengoku and Garp destroying half of MF. We have plenty of examples in which the level of destruction was used to hype a battle and the participants.
 

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If it's just about fighting style then there is no meaning in hyping the point of their battle destroying the surroundings let alone using Sanji of all people to deliver the said hype. Nami and Usopp also said something like just being near their battle gave them chills or something along these lines. Sanji and Jyabra destroyed their surroundings during their battles. Luffy destroyed whole town to beat Joker. And not to mention Akainu Vs Aokiji which left permanent effects on PH even after their battle. Shiki VS Sengoku and Garp destroying half of MF. We have plenty of examples in which the level of destruction was used to hype a battle and the participants.
It wasn't hyping though. Sanji ran through and commented "What the hell kind of battle happened here?" It's all about the kind of fighting you use. If your fighting style revolves around projectiles, it'll destroy the environment far more than someone who focuses on close combat.

Of course being around that fight gave them chills: There was crossfire that they could get caught in. No such thing happened with Sanji and Jabra. The closest was Jabra's Rankyaku variants, which he didn't use nearly as much as close combat. It had everything to do with the type of fight it was.

Luffy destroying the town to beat Joker was because Luffy was launching Doflamingo around, and Doflamingo was directly transforming and using the environment. Luffy vs Doflamingo is a special case because they were brawling and throwing each other all over the place. A fight with Sanji wouldn't be like that anyways because Sanji's attacks are precise and direct, never involving launching projectiles and barely involving launching each other.

With fights involving Luffy, Luffy just throws his strength out in a general, brutish manner, which causes collateral damage to the environment. Sanji's fighting style is very precise and directed, he isn't just throwing haymakers wildly to destroy everything in general.

Shiki vs Garp and Sengoku caused such damage because Shiki's fighting style, like Doflamingo, involves manipulating the environment and throwing things about; just like Kaku vs Zoro, projectiles were heavily involved.

Akainu vs Aokiji also involves directly affecting the surrounding environment.

A fight like Sanji vs Jabra wouldn't affect the environment that much because of the style of the fight, not because of the strength of its combatants.

Size also plays a role in how much damage you do. People like Oars, Sengoku, and Luffy will always cause more damage to the surrounding area because they either are super large or grow in size, increasing the spread of their damage.
 
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