Rinnegan Sasuke vs SM Hashirama
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solorflare99
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Yes and I'm alluding to it not being good evidence.
Yeah he has a claim but it doesn't fly, when my claim is that it hasn't been shown and he has yet to show it. This discussion will get us no where without concrete evidence. Maybe the author never let it happen with the intention of it not being possible.......or maybe he didn't. Now where do we go from here? It just turns into fanfic vs. fanfic.
"He has never been shown to do it, therefore he can't" - Ad ignorantiam.
But..
...Lol.
@Solorflare99: Fanfic you say?
✓ Amenotejikara is as space-time jutsu
✓ Amenotejikara allows Sacue to warp objects
✓ The Sharingan can see at a cellular level
✓ Hashirama's heart is an object that cannot defy Space-Time curvature
✓ Amenotejikara is as space-time jutsu
✓ Amenotejikara allows Sacue to warp objects
✓ The Sharingan can see at a cellular level
✓ Hashirama's heart is an object that cannot defy Space-Time curvature
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Hashrama's organs are not only inside his body, but they're physically attached within him. You're going to have to prove that Ameno has the ability to ignore the exterior and provide evidence for it having such pinpoint precision in bypassing Hashirama's entire outer body. Because from what I've seen, such an ability would of come in handy against Naruto whom he was fixed on killing. Even Madara. It's as clear as day he cannot do this and if you're resorting to such baseless claims it only leads to me to believe you don't actually think Sasuke wins this fight.
solorflare99
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X Ameno has never been shown to detach
X Sharingan hasn't been shown to see as far into the human body as to a heart nor through armor.
X Hashirama heart is attach to his body
And Yes your claim is indeed fanfic. Dubious fanfic at best.
@1: True..but it freely warps and relocates objecs in space-time tho'.
@3) Yep, but it's still apart of the large puzzle that makes up "Hashirama".
@2) True----but the Sharingan sees at a cellular level...and the Heart is an organ and an organ is made of much smaller: tissues and tissues are made of the much smaller: cells.Dictionary said:
@3) Yep, but it's still apart of the large puzzle that makes up "Hashirama".
KeyofDestiny
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Sorry pal. When you give me real evidence, come at me. Until then, take the trollish behavior to someone who cares enough to entertain it. I've already addressed this and everything else you could possibly muster. No reason for me to continue replying to you.
Them being components of his body doesn't change a thing I've said.
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Alright, if you wish.
✓ Sasuke's eyes pinpoint's Amenotejikara targets
✓ Sasuke has the Sharingan
✓ The Sharingan grants visual at the cellular level
✓ Amenotejikara is as space-time jutsu
✓ Amenotejikara allows Sacue to warp objects
✓ Hashirama's heart is an object that cannot defy Space-Time curvature
That's up to those debating this. They're ways to proof this or disprove this though.
This is up those debating this match-up.
Yeah I understand this, but this is why Waltz called comments like this arguments from ignorance: you're arguing for the falseness that Amenotejikara cannot teleport Hashirama's heart because there is no evidence or proof of Amenotejikara working in this matter. While you can do this, you're arguing in the case of a negative claim that since Amenotejikara working in this matter has not been proved it is false. The lack of evidence for Amenotejikara working in this matter does not constitute as sufficient evidence against it.
These types of arguments also violate the burden of proof construct of logic by attempting to shift the burden of proof unto Waltz implicating that he has the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support of Amenotejikara teleporting Hashirama's heart. If Waltz does not accept the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support for the contradicting claim, you, and any others who think this way, would have to fallaciously assume that there is no evidence for the contradicting claim. [
These types of arguments also violate the burden of proof construct of logic by attempting to shift the burden of proof unto Waltz implicating that he has the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support of Amenotejikara teleporting Hashirama's heart. If Waltz does not accept the responsibility to disprove your claim or provide support for the contradicting claim, you, and any others who think this way, would have to fallaciously assume that there is no evidence for the contradicting claim. [
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Agreed.
Up to those debating this matter.
Still haven't past Gehrman on Bloodborne yet.
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I was supposed to respond lol..Forgot.
Agreed with the striking thing but not in all cases. You're very wrong with the bold though..Movement being made in the bottom left of this panel
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reaction being made at the same time via striking
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are you going to conclude they have equal reaction speed? That's clearly wronDidn't Sasuke even have the KCC and Senjutsu to boost his reactions?
KeyofDestiny
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Oh? Since we are just repeating ourselves now, I'll just follow suit. It's clear that you are trolling at this point. No one can be this daft.
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The contents of the spoiler should tell you my answer. :lol Amenotejikara lets Sasuke enter other dimensions and it lets him teleport to any location in his radius or teleport anything in his radius wherever he pleases. Hashirama is in his radius, but Hashirama's organs are inside of his body. Separate from the outside area which is what Sasuke can warp.
I really hope you aren't going to take advantage of what Ameno's ability is listed as to say Sasuke can start warping people's insides out of their bodies, something no teleporter has ever shown to do. Shin grabbed a hold of Sasuke's blade and Sasuke was only able to warp away without it. [You must be registered for see links] Why would we give Ameno nonsensical abilities such as removing the opponent's organs? Lmfao. I honestly feel like I'm being trolled here.
I'm expecting you to throw:
-Conjecture.
-Ad ignorantium.
-argumentum ad ignorantiam
In my face though, despite how unsupported and crazy such a claim is,
solorflare99
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1 true but "Ameno has never been shown to detach" when "it freely warps and relocates objecs in space-time "
2 true but "Sharingan hasn't been shown to see as far into the human body as to a heart nor through armor"
3 true but refer to 1
Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
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KeyofDestiny
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Bad example since Gai and Lee were clearly aiming to hit at the same exact time. Naruto and Sasuke tracked him individually, and both attacked individually yet they reacted and struck at the same exact time. Equal reaction speed is needed for that.
DB 4.
None of the Shinobi got a speed boost from Naruto's cloak, and he never had Senjutsu to begin with. Only his Susanoo did.
And don't mention Naruto getting a massive speed boost every time he uses the cloak, because I could use the same logic and say that he should get that same dramatic strength boost whenever he uses KCM, but no such thing has ever been shown for him. All of the cloaks enhancements were highlighted in the chapters they were shown in, and all that was shown was:
-Defense when Naruto is controlling the chakra.
-Massive boost in power.
If there was a boost, it's pretty much unnoticeable, so that'd still put their reactions on the same tier.
Besides, the cloak wasn't even on him during chapter 650.
solorflare99
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But there aren't ways to prove it nor disprove(without a doubt). Which is the whole point of me not even discussing the argument. To say I haven't proved it is false would be to imply that it has been proven true, which it has not. If I was doing this for points then maybe I'd take into consideration his argument, but I'm not. If I was then I would come up with not only why he is wrong but a counter to his statement but I wont. He I'm not here to prove him wrong, but to prove that he isn't right(hopefully you get what I mean). I don't debate fanfic. fanfic. In the end we won't have an outcome that fits in the situation. It's not like it is one person debating one other, but an open debate on who would win. We could have many different outcome but it gets to a point where it isn't even "Rinnegan Sasuke vs SM Hashirama" but two people with similar qualities to the respective characters. There will never be a general agreement amongst the population. That is what I strive for. Who would win between fighters in their stories. Characters like Shikamaru use intelligence to keep up with other characters that physically outclass him. That is taken away from him when you argue characters will due a certain feat based off fanfic.
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Because it does not follow the same principle as Kamui which is required to warp the outer portions first, instead it allows him to warp any visual targeted object in an instant.
Anything that can warp space and time can detach a heart from it's arteries.
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If the Sharingan can see through an arm which is comprised many various atom's and molecules, A solid portion of a cave [
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If the Sharingan can see through an arm which is comprised many various atom's and molecules, A solid portion of a cave [
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] that is comprised of many various atoms and molecules; putting personal feeling aside would you agree that it could likewise see through the many various atoms and molecules which comprise a coating of armor?
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