Naruto lost his resistance to genjutsu.
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Narutohokage324
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This is probably why I lost all respect for you there^
Does Shikamaru even know, or possibly does anyone know that Perfect Jin's have a sort of immunity to genjutsu?
"Kurama did not telepathically communicate with Naruto did he? Did Naruto try to break out of the Genjutsu? Was Kurama even shown during the movie until the end?"
Your responded with
"Them having their minds connected doesn't matter. Sakura broke Hinata out the same way Kurama would have broken Naruto out."
Sakura broke them out of the Genjutsu individually. Did they both wake up at the same time? No lol
But you cannot answer this:
"Then how do you know that the Genjutsu did not voluntarily change when both Naruto and Hinata's mind connected? You saw that right? Or are you going to ignore and assume based off of one scene which held no actually merit for a fact seeing how it was intended for the movie plot. Yet, again, your facts are were from exactly?"
Tell me more how Sakura released herself from a Genjutsu when she was placed the same way as everyone else, except Naruto and Hinata.
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Transcendence
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No, that's all the proof YOU need. Substantiated claims in my opinion, need overwhelming proof. The statement from someone who doesn't even know the capabilities of a Perfect Jinchuriki don't mean much.
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Simple folks. After that War, he been studying calculating everybody's power and limit for future problems. He is that kind of person. It is his job to know everybody's weakness and strength to come up with solutions.
What happen to that logic where if kish make a character say something, then that something is absolute until further notices?
Yes he would know, Shikamaru is the smartest of them all. Shikamaru even knew that Sakura was the best at it, implying he knew all of their capabilities, and then he tells Hinata her Byakugan isn't going to work before she even tells him.
That response had nothing to do with Kurama. I was talking about your insistence that Hinata and Naruto having their minds connected somehow changed the nature of the genjutsu.
We know it didn't because Sakura was able to wake up both Naruto and Hinata normally: by inserting chakra into their system. Knowing that, and knowing that Bijuus aren't affected by the genjutsu their host is placed on, Kurama should have broken Naruto out the same way Sakura broke him out.
I have no idea what you're talking about with them waking up at the same time.
Transcendence
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So you don't have any proof? I see.
Shikamaru having to come up with a plan mid fight doesn't equate to him studying Naruto in the slightest during the 2 years prior to the last.
Narutohokage324
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Yeah and Shikamaru seemed to be so smart that he forgot a Perfect Jinchuriki had a form of immunity to genjutsu? He implied that Sakura was the best to break out of Genjutsu in their base with no help from outside sources.
That's exactly the same I was talking about. Because your comment holds no real place when the Infinite Tsukuyomi places a similar role in the same Genjutsu, in how the people affected fall asleep into a dream world. The difference between the former is that Naruto and Hinata were placed into a Genjutsu where their minds connected. Seemingly you are trying to place the genjutsu experiences the same towards the overall conclusion in how Sakura broke out. That is completely wrong.
Which already proves why your statement is wrong. Chakra disruption does break out of the Genjutsu as shown in the obvious. You literally have no proof that Kurama did not try to break Naruto out, nor do you have any proof that Naruto did not try to break out of the Genjutsu himself. In fact, Naruto allowed himself to continue being swept away by the memories of Hinata, and I doubt you can find a screen shot in the movie where Naruto struggles to actually break free of the Genjutsu.
Because you stated she broke them out of the same time. Gg'd~
Yet he knows the capabilities of Sakura and Hinata's Byakugan. Not to mention Naruto doesn't even argue the fact that he says they'd be done for. You were the same person who was saying that Madara was expanding due to the chakra he was absorbing based on Sasuke's claim. That was enough, but a guy who's know Naruto since they were children isn't.
Transcendence
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What?
There was a panel about Sasuke's claim. You have no such proof to suggest Shikamaru knows about Perfect Jinchuriki's at all, besides being able to use the Bijuu's powers. And yes I am that same person, because it actually makes sense. Naruto even stated that the chakra of the IT victims was flowing into Madara, so that's even more proof. What's your point?
Narutohokage324
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Knows the capabilities of Sakura?
>After she showed the feat of breaking them out
Knows the range of the Byakugan?
>Show me where Shikamaru showed a feat in the manga that shows where the Byakugan had it's range limits known by Shikamaru or anyone else in Konohagakure
Sasuke's claim is the same as Shikamaru's. He thought, based on his reasoning, that it was the chakra that was doing it. I could easily say that he was wrong because he never had info.concerning to anything how Kaguya was created. He didn't even know that Kaguya was being created.
It makes sense because you want it to make sense.
Like I said, Shikamaru knows the Byakugan's capabilities enought to know it wouldn't work, he knows that Sakura had resistance to genjutsu, and then compares it to everyone else. Then Kurama fails to break Naruto out even when he knows they could be in danger, but let me guess. Plot.
See I would agree with that, but then their would be absolutely no reason for Shikamaru to say what he said. Or are you forgetting that someone writes his dialogue? That was there simply to tell us that if they were caught again, they wouldn't make it out, and that means Kurama can't break Naruto out anymore.
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Narutohokage324
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Smh go to one second after that and Hinata says "No my field of vision is distorted"
pulled or twisted out of shape; contorted.
2.
giving a misleading or false account or impression; misrepresented.
Anyway, where are you watching the movie from? It seems clear
It makes sense because you honestly believe a plot educed genjutsu will work on Naruto. You fail to realize that he had to stay in that Genjutsu in the first place
Wrong, already proved that above.
Wrong. He stated that after it happened.
This is the same guy who thought Naruto's sensing capabilities unlocked when Sasuke sent a fireball at him :|
Transcendence you should not waste so much time on him.
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Sorry, i used wrong word to describe his "resistance"
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